Was Lord Mountbatten (the Queen's cousin) a paedophile

Harryd225

No doubt aul Lord Mountbatten is still lauded as a hero and a man we should all look up to, but is there more to the story the British prefer not to speak of?

One of the former high ranking MI5 operatives who recently featured in the Miami showband documentary also exposed other dirty tactics of MI5 like a VIP paedophile ring that existed, one of these homes was the Kincora boys home in Northern Ireland, this is no long conspiracy it's a fact but there is another very credible theory that Lord Mountbatten (the queen's cousin) was a paedophile who would regularly visit these homes, some of the victims of this VIP paedophile ring claim they were visited by a man who looked identical to Lord Mountbatten, they only realised this after he was all over the news after his death.

An FBI dossier on Mountbatten, released in 2019, thanks to a Freedom of Information request, reveals shocking information about the royal who was a mentor to his grand-nephew Prince Charles, The 75-year-old intelligence files describe Louis Mountbatten, the 1st Earl of Burma, and his wife Edwina as "persons of extremely low morals" and contain information suggesting that Lord Mountbatten was a pedophile with "a perversion for young boys."

Mountbatten was also had a very close relationship with Jimmy Saville, that means nothing on it's own but combined with all the other evidence most of which I haven't got the time to write it's quite suspicious.

The FBI would have little reason to make any of this up seeing as though they didn't release it to the public and the UK is one of their greatest allies.

One of the very brave victims speaks out about the elitist paedophile ring in this interview recently with Channel 4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt4a9ie5MGk

Harryd225

A report in the Express (UK) on November 15, 2021, said that the Queen had expressed her fear that her ‘dignity’ could be compromised if secrets from the diaries of Lord Louis Mountbatten were revealed.

Lownie, who had published The Mountbattens: Their Lives and Loves in 2019, had alleged a colossal wastage of public funds (£6,00,000) by the Cabinet Office in court battles to resist the release of the Mountbatten Diaries, this may be due in part to racism it's still unknown if the diaries contain any information of his activities with children, no doubt the Queen would have no problem covering up the abuse of children and denying the victims for the sake of her own "dignity" if the diary did contain any information on the abuse.

Green Finers

Which Queen? There are several queens in the world?

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618205#Comment_118618205

Lord Mountbatten is the cousin of Queen Elizabeth the Queen of the UK.

Green Finers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618214#Comment_118618214

Ah, thanks for clarifying.

She’s “a” Queen, the Queen of England specifically. Not “the” Queen.

To answer your question there are several indications that he was.

Incidentally, Mountbatten was the only prominent member of the English Royal family who supported a United Ireland.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618230#Comment_118618230

Sorry I assumed most people would have known who I was referring to, people in Ireland generally use the term the Queen.

That's true although it was not known at the time, it was only found out years later, Lownie (author of the book the Mountbatten's) says he had heard allegations of Mountbatten’s paedophilia but was inclined to dismiss them as rumours. “I came to the book with no view. I followed the evidence,” he says.

He suggests the IRA may have killed Mountbatten because of the allegations that he was a paedophile rather than because of his position in the British Empire. “There were a lot of IRA people in that area. I am pretty sure they knew [the rumours]. They could have killed him any time in the last 30 years of his life". He wrote in the book.

What I know from my own knowledge from documentaries and books is that the IRA had vetoed a Mountbatten assassination numerous times although they did actually attempt to kill Mountbatten a few years earlier via a sniper rifle but bad weather prevented the sniper from taking the shot, it's still possible the rumours of his paedophilic activities in the area did contribute to the decision to assassinate him, although it would have been foolish for the IRA to admit this at the time seeing as though back then there was no evidence to back this up, nonetheless the IRA was wrong to kill him due to the teenage boys on board the boat.

Harryd225

Can we delete this thread and move it to current affairs I'm going to post it instead over there as I'd like more people to see it, it's more relevant to current affairs as there are many recent allegations and evidence about this.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618214#Comment_118618214

Second cousin once removed.

goldenmick

What a question to ask. In the Platinum Jubilee year of Her Maj as well! 😁😂😉🤣

And what's the point in raising it? The guy has been dead over 40 years.

Harryd225

Can people please move to the thread in Current affairs if you wish to comment as the thread was posted in the wrong section and the thread title has caused confusion among some posters, I've applied to have this thread deleted.

Snugbugrug28

What an enormous load of tripe

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618548#Comment_118618548

If it's a load of tripe can you please elaborate about how it's a load of tripe over on the thread in current affairs, you can blame the victims of the Kincora boys home and the FBI over there along with all the other evidence.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618372#Comment_118618372

'it's still possible the rumours of his paedophilic activities in the area did contribute to the decision to assassinate him'

Oh yes, no way would the IRA stand for any kiddie fiddlers, no way at all, well unless it was one of their own of course, that's ok.

IRA, those well known assassins of paedophiles

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618473#Comment_118618473

To you and the others who have claimed on this thread and the other thread saying what is the point of raising the issue, sure what's the point he's dead.

That's a horrible statement to make, Mountbatten may be dead but his victims are not. Victims who were born in Ireland who are still seeking justice to this day. Mountbatten may be dead to us, but he lives with them everyday.

The British government and MI5 have repeatedly denied the victims of Kincora justice via cover ups and refusing to release vital information to investigations into Kincora, investigations that will go nowhere if the state doesn't agree to assist them.

Victims of the abuse are taking legal action to force a full independent inquiry with the power to compel witnesses to testify and the security service to hand over documents.

Amnesty International branded Kincora “one of the biggest scandals of our age” and backed the victims’ calls for an inquiry with full powers: “There are longstanding claims that MI5 blocked one or more police investigations into Kincora in the 1970s in order to protect its own intelligence-gathering operation, a terrible indictment which raises the spectre of countless vulnerable boys having faced further years of brutal abuse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/15/mi5-kincora-childrens-home-northwen-ireland-sexual-abuse

Why does it matter that his victims were born in Ireland?

Does it make them less of a victim if born somewhere else?

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619095#Comment_118619095

I'm saying it makes it even more relevant to people on this site.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619100#Comment_118619100

I wouldn't think so.

A victim of a paedophile is a victim, no matter where they were born.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619095#Comment_118619095

Care to express your outrage bubblypop? Care to stand up for the victims of this abuse? I know from seeing you on other threads that if this was a thread about abuse or a cover up by Sinn Fein you would have already written paragraphs detailing your disgust.

Instead your first post on this thread was trying to distance Mountbatten from your beloved royal family as much as possible.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619106#Comment_118619106

I'm pretty sure you have seen very few posts about Sinn Fein by me, I tend not to bother.

you want outrage? Well, if such allegations are true, which we don't know, then I would of course be disgusted by the actions of the paedophile and all victims, no matter where they were born, would have all my sympathy.

In exactly the same way that I condemn all illegal activity and have sympathy for all victims of crimes.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619123#Comment_118619123

Agreed, this is disgraceful and the British government and MI5 should stop covering up the abuse of Kincora and release the information they have as no investigation is going to go anywhere if they don't.

Amnesty International branded Kincora “one of the biggest scandals of our age” and backed the victims’ calls for an inquiry with full powers which the British government and MI5 have continually denied, amnesty said “There are longstanding claims that MI5 blocked one or more police investigations into Kincora in the 1970s in order to protect its own intelligence-gathering operation, a terrible indictment which raises the spectre of countless vulnerable boys having faced further years of brutal abuse"

The British government have spent 6 million pounds of tax payers money in court battles over the release of information which could possibly elaborate on abuse by Mountbatten.

goldenmick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619084#Comment_118619084

Yes, yes, yes I understand all that, but what's your part in this? What exactly do you hope to achieve by starting a thread on a forum like this where you leave yourself open to ridicule?

Are you a researcher for someone.? Are you a solicitor for the "victims"? Or some other reason?

I don't understand exactly what you hope to achieve with this. Half the people on this forum weren't even born then. And the other half don't give a shite. This thread will accomplish exactly zilch in the context of "victims" of alleged abuse simply because absolutely no-one on here has any information they can add to what you've already copied and pasted on here. If you, personally, want justice for these alleged "victims" then there are many other ways your time could be spent more productively than on this place.

Sorry to be blunt but you have to understand that the users of Boards can add nothing.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619157#Comment_118619157

If so then what's the point in any of the threads on this site? Many people don't know about the child abuse Mountbatten was involved in he is still lauded as a hero to this day, nothing wrong with letting a few more people know about this sick sick individual.

There are plenty of threads exactly the same as this none of which are going to achieve anything. Apart from the threads about the beloved royal family or the British government no one is on other threads similar to this one complaining and asking what the OP is trying to achieve and trying to tell the OP and the victims that it's best to leave it in the past, exactly where the British government and MI5 want to leave it, but unfortunately for them the victims don't want to leave it in the past.

Ironically you are complaining about my thread asking what is the point yet one of your previous threads is titled "Asian woman spits on cock".

bnt

It’s “astroturfing”, by an IRA apologist, trying to retcon some “legitimate” reason on to the assassination of Mountbatten. Never mind that three other people were killed in the attack, including two teenagers and an elderly widow. Never mind that the IRA released a statement stating their reasons clearly, and Gerry Adams called it an act of war.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619193#Comment_118619193

Here come the British apologists bringing up the IRA, this thread has nothing to do with the IRA, this thread has to do with child abuse by the royal family and the victims of Kincoras longstanding fight for justice as well as the cover up of it by the British government and MI5.

I was quoting earlier a post from the book when someone was talking about Mountbatten wanting a United Ireland, I already claimed in that post Mountbatten's killing was not justifiable due to the two 15 year old boys who were also on the boat, the post merely mentioned a quote from the book which claimed the rumours of paedophillia by Mountbatten may have contributed to his assassination.

Ironically you burst into this thread complaining about the IRA rather than what the thread is actually about, child abuse at a VIP paedophile ring at the Kincora boys home which Amnesty International recently branded Kincora as “one of the biggest scandals of our age” 

goldenmick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619178#Comment_118619178

If you'd done your research you would have noticed that my previous thread - which you so kindly pointed out - was an image in a humour forum in After Hours. You'll find that the majority of people on Boards come here to wind down and have a bit of humour and friendly banter.

As for you quoting that there are other threads similar to this... where exactly? I've not come across a previous thread that is seeking to drum up vitriol and hate for someone who's been dead for over 40 years (Hitler excepted).

You've obviously got a very large bee in your bonnet as you refer to Mountbatten as a "sick sick individual". If it's personal to you, then again, you wont gain anything on Boards by venting your hatred of the guy on here.

I'll ask you once again. What do you hope to achieve with this thread?

You clearly come across as someone with an ulterior motive or agenda. It seems illogical that you'd start a thread like this simply to seek replies from others who agree with you and think Mountbatten was a "sick sick individual", just to get yourself the feelgood factor.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619249#Comment_118619249

The victims of Kincora are fighting for justice every single day, there is nothing wrong with letting a few more people know about the horrors they faced from a VIP paedophile ring some of which were members of the Royal family and the attempts to cover it up, I was getting far better replies on the current affairs forum unfortunately it has been closed.

There have been many recent articles in relation to the ongoing court battle into the release of the Mountbatten diaries which the British government have spent 6 million pounds of tax payers money on trying to keep secret, the diaries could contain some evidence in relation to his abuse of children, even if it doesn't say anything directly about his abuse of children it could provide some other minor evidence which could link him to Kincora and help the victims fight for justice.

Not to mention the still ongoing battle by the victims of Kincora for an independent investigation and release of information into what Amnesty international called "one of the biggest scandals of our age" of which the British government and MI5 are still denying the victims right for justice.

Yes I did speak badly of Mountbatten earlier but how do you expect me to speak of such a depraved man? Anyone else apart from the British elite and I doubt people would have a problem with the language I used.

goldenmick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619337#Comment_118619337

You're obviously an educated man and should have been a politician with your grasp of evasiveness.

All the above that you've mentioned, I know. What I asked you was what you hope to achieve by bringing it up on here. No-one here can add anything. No-one here can do anything.

Folk on here should take a look at your post history. The threads you've started are almost all political, poisonous and immediately attracting controversy and detrimental comments towards you. You have the temerity to point out one of my funny cartoon posts, which readers thanked, whereas you previously started a thread entitled: "I have a crush on Ryan Tubridy", where you virtually admit to stalking.

I'm going to bed now so don't busy yourself with another reply. It would just be more of the same old same old, and my brain pulls the drawbridge up when crap gets too repetitive

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619384#Comment_118619384

Yes I know both my thread about Tubridy and your thread that I mentioned were both jokes but you were asking me what the point of posting this thread was which is why I mentioned your thread, another thread I made about the British governments recent announcement to bring in an amnesty and make all inquiries and inquests into the troubles illegal also had a similar poster on the first page who jumped straight in asking what the point in posting this was, the point is these are ongoing matters and there is no harm in discussing them.

The only point of this thread was to provide some minor support and awareness for the victims of Mountbatten and the VIP paedophile ring which he was involved in which Amnesty international described as "one of the biggest scandals of our age".

I know this thread is not going to have any effect or achieve anything (as none of threads on boards will) but it will at least put all the evidence in one place in a short post to let a few more people know the evidence about Mountbatten (who is still regarded as a hero by many people) so that they can then make up their own minds about the man and it will also make them more aware of the still ongoing fight for justice the victims are bravely going through.

Who thinks that Mountbatten is a hero? I have never heard him referred to as such, in fact I don't believe I have heard him referred to at all, apart from being assassinated in Sligo

Danzy

Mount Batten was as part of a war, nothing else.

There was chatter about his being with young boys in India as well.

It wasn't over DJ'ing or amateur wrestling that he and Jimmy the Fixer became associates/friends.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619593#Comment_118619593

He played quite a role in Japanese military successes early in WW2.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619686#Comment_118619686

Ah yeah, the Brits probably think he's a hero, but here in Ireland I don't believe anyone thinks about him at all!

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619095#Comment_118619095

Er it matters because we want to know what's happening in our own country, like the Catholic Church paedophile scandals.

Some of the worst Kincora revelations have only come to light in recent years. Village Magazine are still digging into this scandal all the time and it is interesting to me that Mountbatten's biographer is doing ongoing investigative work into this. The fact that the abuse took place in the place in the 1970s isn't a reason to be apathetic.

People should put their partisanship aside. I get the impression that the OP is a SF apologist and has clashed with other posters in the past?

That's as may be but that doesn't negate this topic. It isn't a purely SF vs anti-SF discussion.

growleaves

Mountbatten is a significant figure in British history. He was Viceroy of India during the Partition that followed indepdendence.

growleaves

Relevant article by Andrew Lownie (Mountbatten's biographer) in Village:

https://villagemagazine.ie/the-mystery-of-the-missing-mountbatten-diaries/

growleaves

In this article Lownie says that other files he requested from the FBI had been destroyed and that the Garda refused to supply him with the car logs for Classiebawn for August 1977 when two boys who said Mountbatten were abused had been transported there.

https://villagemagazine.ie/mountbatten-child-abuse-scandal-no-right-of-reply-afforded-by-the-sunday-independent/

"During his research for the biography, Lownie tried to gain access to certain Irish State files including Garda files about Mountbatten only to be rebuffed. They may contain some interesting material. A Deputy Garda Commissioner who is now dead told Village a number of years ago that he had heard disturbing rumours about Mountbatten sexual activities before he was killed.

Another Garda intelligence source says that he had heard stories that while Mountbatten had been living in India, he had had access to a 14 year old boy.

If Garda Intelligence, led by Larry Wren, the Head of C3 during the 1970s, knew anything about Mountbatten’s predilections, or the presence of cars with Northern Ireland registration plates, or of teenage boys visiting his property at Classiebawn in the company of older men, he did nothing about any of it. The Gardai had a security at Mountbatten’s estate and must have noted the registration plates of visitors. This means that the Gardai should have logs for August 1977 which noted the arrival of the car belonging to Joe Mains, the Warden of the notorious Kincora Boys’ Home because he trafficked at least two boys to Classiebawn that month. If the logs still exist, will Garda Commissioner Drew Harris (ex-RUC and ex-PSNI link man to MI5) see to it that they are released and prove once and for all that an Anglo-Irish Vice Ring ring existed and it involved Joe Mains?

Larry Wren who was in charge of Garda intelligence while Mountbatten was abusing boys ferried to Classiebawn in cars with Northern Ireland registration plates driven by older men while he was under Garda surveillance. Did he learn anything about what was going on?

While the Kincora scandal was exposed in 1980, it was not until 1982 that allegations about MI5 and MI6 involvement in the affair began to appear in the press. Wren became Garda Commissioner in early 1983. He had developed exceptionally close links with British Intelligence during his tenure at C3. If the logs of cars visiting Classiebawn prove to be missing, an inquiry should be held to see if they were destroyed under Wren’s watch."

https://villagemagazine.ie/a-kincora-boy-abused-by-mountbatten-committed-suicide-a-few-months-late/

Danzy

Lots of reasons to believe Garda Commissioner Larry Wren was on the take from the British.

Outside of that, the Man was an absolute lunatic, certifiable lunatic, he his reign was considered the worst period in the force in the last 50 years.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619831#Comment_118619831

Interesting read, yeah I do agree I'd say the really spicy stuff the FBI had about Mountbatten was not released to the author.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619831#Comment_118619831

The investigation into the Dublin Monaghan bombings was stopped by the FG led government of the time after just two months along with other suspicious murders around that time, the Irish government and top tier Gardai would have had close relations with Britain and would not have risked upsetting them over Mountbatten revelations if they were aware or had any evidence of his sexual activities.

Marty Bird

OP I vaguely remember someone wrote a book on it a while back think it was on the Journal or something before can’t remember

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620015#Comment_118620015

Yeah there's a book from a couple of years ago by Andrew Lownie, he's the one who got the information from the FBI under the freedom of information act, is that the book you're referring to?

Marty Bird

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620026#Comment_118620026

Yeah that’s the one

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118619703#Comment_118619703

There is the point that many Irish people hold the Royal family in very high regard, if the people in border counties of Ireland knew about Mountbatten's paedophilic tendencies then it's almost certain that the Queen and others in the Royal family would have known about it too, along with MI5 and successive British governments who all chose to do nothing about it and let him carry on, which who knows how many of them were also engaging in the VIP paedophile ring at Kincora and elsewhere.

It really makes you think about what really goes on amongst these elitists, the VIP paedophile ring at Kincora which Amnesty international described as "one of the biggest scandals of our age" went very high up in British society and was condoned and covered up by British royalty, governments and the intelligence services.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618434#Comment_118618434

In what way does this poorly disguised attempt to justify an act of terrorism and murder, fit with 'current affairs'?

iffandonlyif

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618372#Comment_118618372

He knew damn well who you were referring to. It’s pathetic nationalist pedantry.

The evidence against Mountbatten is strong, but I would say that I read Lownie’s book on Edward VIII and wasn’t always convinced by his scholarship. He’s not an academic biographer.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620244#Comment_118620244

This is no attempt to justify what happened at Mullaghmore, I already explained earlier how the assassination of Mountbatten was unjustifiable due to the two 15 year olds who were also on board the boat, although I have no sympathy whatsoever for what happened to Mountbatten, he deserved his faith but I have great sympathy for the others who were on board the boat.

This fits into current affairs as there is an ongoing court battle to get the Mountbatten diaries released to the public which the British are alleged to have spent 6 million pounds of tax payers money in court battles trying to prevent this. The victims of Kincora are also still bravely seeking justice to this day which the British government, MI5 and the royal family are trying to assure they never get justice or the answers that they need.

cnocbui

You start by denying your intentions and then admit to them in the same sentence. I'll leave you to it, I was just passing and thought I'd drop in for a sec.

"I have no sympathy whatsoever for what happened to Mountbatten, he deserved his faith" (That should be 'fate'.)

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620263#Comment_118620263

There's not really much up for dispute, he was merely writing about the evidence available on Mountbatten some of which Lowden obtained himself from the FBI in 2019 via a freedom of information request, although another poster pointed out that the FBI refused to hand over some of the files relating to Mountbatten.

The book also carries out interviews with two victims of Kincora who both claim they were abused by Mountbatten.

There have been rumours of Mountbatten going around for decades similar to that of one of his closest friends Jimmy Saville, the fact that American intelligence officers began compiling a dossier in the 1940s on Mountbattens paedophilic tendencies is really telling about how the rumours, like the rumours of Jimmy, were not there for nothing.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620286#Comment_118620286

You were trying to accuse me of justifying his murder. I already explained earlier in the thread how what happened at Mullaghmore was completely wrong. Me saying that I have no sympathy for Mountbattens and how he died in no way means that I have any agenda., I'm talking about the scandal of Kincora and Mountbatten's involvement in it, which Amnesty international described as "one of the biggest scandals of our age".

This is little more than an attempt by you to derail the thread into something it's not.

What do you call a thread about Mountbatten, having the 'queens cousin' in the title?

Second cousin once removed would be the correct relationship.

Harryd225

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620375#Comment_118620375

Because he was the cousin of the Queen and a close ally of hers and he was mentor of Prince Charles. He was a very prominent and well respected member of the royal family.