McEntee launches Garda recruitment drive. Is this just lip service?

Sugar_Rush

https://twitter.com/HMcEntee/status/1491702672562753539

Recruiting for 800 police officers.

If there were 800 newly recruited officers in Dublin alone it feels like it would only be a drop in the bucket.

A national cultural shift is the long term aim of law enforcement development in Ireland.

That trash/scumbag culture has been glamorized amongst so many factions and been allowed to flourish for far too long.

Adequate law enforcement is the ONLY means it's ever going to be addressed.

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Not to mention McEntee has been posting ad nauseum about the supposedly wonderful job law enforcement have been doing on the DART and the Luas in tackling social misconduct.

In all my journey's on said transport I don't think I've ever seen a single officer so much as put his face around one of the carriage doors, and on almost every occasion one is almost assured to see some kind of anti-social behaviour.

Last week I was waiting to get off at middle abbey St.

Some 6 ft skobe came violently charging down the carriage with a can of dutch-gold in his hand, roughly forcing his way past everyone, and before exiting the carriage turned to one dark skinned passenger, grabbed his crotch a bellowed, "hey you, I'll ryde your missus", before barreling through the 6 pm commuters on the platform outside.

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Yeah Helen, you've really got the justice department on top of things, and ensuring law enforcement maintain a basic level of civil social conduct is clearly at the top of the agenda (/sarcasm).

Yurt2

I see they still haven't scrapped the upper age limit of 35 despite the WRC judgement and the Policing Commission recommendation (not that I'd be applying anyway!).

[Deleted User]

Complains there are not enough police on the streets ........

Complains about a recruitment drive for the police.........

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615242#Comment_118615242

I know a dude 50+ and he'd kick everyone's ass.

They want as much competent law enforcement street officials as possible.

Provided they vet applicants adequately and ensure they can perform under heat, I say all is right with the world.

Look at Rony Coleman, dude is pushing 60, needs crutches to walk and has his entire spine wrapped in a titanium cage, but you'd better believe he'd still hand most of the Dublin bad-boy (and bad-girl) populous their ass.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615377#Comment_118615377

Gardai don't want members who can kick ass. It's against the law to assault someone.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615377#Comment_118615377

Not just that, but with the variety of modern policing roles (cyber crime, white collar crime investigation etc), you'd really think that AGS would be trying to attract slightly older people with these skillsets into the force and not excluding them. It's not all vaulting over hedges chasing scaldies.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615395#Comment_118615395

The threat of or potential for violence, is the most effective preventative measure against the manifestation of violence (and misconduct).

Drew Harries and the Department of Justice really need to pull their head out of the clouds and come to terms with that fact, sooner rather than later.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615397#Comment_118615397

Absolutely agree but I think this recruitment is specifically for patrol, beat and street based officers in urban and community settings;

According to Helen in the video.

And to me and those who traverse such settings daily, it's clear that this in an area that definitely requires a healthy injection of fresh talent ASAP.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615431#Comment_118615431

There are, as far as I'm aware, no special commission's into AGS. Your future cyber crime / white collar crime specialists all come from the same cadet pool that go through Templemore such as this one. Perhaps people that don't have the aptitude for it or learn on the fly.

Getting rid of the age ceiling would be a good measure to not exclude slightly older people who may have good skills to offer the force but are otherwise not permitted to join.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615452#Comment_118615452

100% agree.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615418#Comment_118615418

Threat of violence?

FFS.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615510#Comment_118615510

Some people haven’t a notion.

thefallingman

how about not letting rapists and murderers in from other countries and giving them houses and benefits for life when we have thousands of our own homeless or on the verge of it. More useless gardai will not help.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615534#Comment_118615534

Is someone letting murderers and rapists into Ireland??!!!

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615534#Comment_118615534

More Gardai won’t help Bohs win the league, which is about as relevant as your post.

Yurt2

Unpopular woke soft-c*ck opinion: Violence in society can't be policed away. You can maybe catch it at the end of the funnel and clobber it over the head with a baton once it manifests (maybe), but it's best tackled by treating addiction as a health rather than a criminal issue, community focused policing rather than reactive Judge Dredd type policing, and a whole society effort to reduce economic exclusion.

Lastly, mental health services and interventions in this country need a serious reboot - I'd wager that if you went into Mountjoy with an army of clinical psychologists, the level of hitherto undetected mental health issues is probably off the charts and probably issues that could have been intervened and treated in childhood or early adulthood. Too late for them as they've already done damage to society and are doing porridge, but as a mental excericse, consider how many of them could have been prevented from reaching a place in their life where they needed to be taken out of circulation for however long.

For instance, last time I checked, countries with tough guy policing like the US and the gendarmerie in France still have significant violence and public order issues running through their society and have had for a long time.

Policing should be more visible and present in problem areas yes, but a RoboCop corps of police officers up and down the country isn't desireable or necessary, and you'll probably find it generates more problems than it solves if you got your wish.

Kermit.de.frog

Gas. Meanwhile a Fine Gael TD describes his experience of a walk across the center of the capital city.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ciarancannon/status/1491900135890161664

A dangerous place? Deeply concerned for your personal safety? See for yourself?

A Fine Gael TD.

A pretty damning indictment of his colleague.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615570#Comment_118615570

Violence has existed since man stood upright and will continue until the last man is horizontal on the ground. Hug-a-thug is just the latest pointless fad in trying to make it go away. Some people are just feral, same as some animals. If an animal is feral it is put down. Can't say that about Wacker with 179 violent convictions though, he just needs a hug and someone to talk to.

thefallingman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615627#Comment_118615627

It's 100% true aswell

Allinall

That’s one person’s opinion.

Ive done that walk numerous times and never felt in danger.

Maybe he’s a snowflake?

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615643#Comment_118615643

Are you not concerned that serious reputational damage is being done to the city? Whether you believe it or not, perception matters.

The perception is that Dublin is unpoliced and unsafe. Ergo people then stay away.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615519#Comment_118615519

Some people, like Theodre Rosevelt?

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615570#Comment_118615570

Slight over analysis.

Garda have little to no presence in Irish society in comparison to other european cities that are infinitely more beautiful and pleasant places to live in.

Increase Garda presence, simple.

Some notion that social issues of scum culture doing what they do (spreading degeneracy) will just evaporate is a notion I would not expect any responsible governor would buy into.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615650#Comment_118615650

Why would I do that?

[Deleted User]

More police is pointless unless there's extra prison spaces.

Preventative policing is a joke, but most of these scumbags get to the courts, over and over, and that's where the real problems start.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615677#Comment_118615677

I was in town last weekend on Friday and Saturday night, and there wasn't much signs of people staying away.

Place was packed.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615770#Comment_118615770

I don't agree.

It takes police on the street illustrating what is right and wrong, what's acceptable and what's not to alter the ethos of an environment.

Right now Dublin is more or less a free-for-all.

Zero meaningful police presence.

This is what Helen is claiming to address, but I must be honest I don't have a lot of faith in that woman.

Potential-Monke

I have to agree with other posters, yeah, more police presence is grand, but the career criminals won't suddenly stop because there's more Gardai around. With the additional Gardai (and yes, 800 is a start but needs to be closer to 2K imo), they also need to build and staff another prison and make proper sentences then. As pointed out, once you get past 10 convictions for similar offences, there's no hope of changing them, and quite simply madness to have people with 100+ convictions walking the streets. Those who want to change will change with what is currently available to them. Those who don't, won't, and never will. The punishment is not deterring the crime.

[Deleted User]

Waste of time recruiting more gardai, when the real issue is a piss weak judiciary and few prison places. Automatic consecutive sentencing, and if the prisons are full, just keep stuffing them in. The existing gardai are arresting, the DPP is prosecuting, but it seems such a waste of time, when the scum are not confined to prison for any meaningful time

Everlong1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118615570#Comment_118615570

In other words, more welfare handouts. God forbid we teach people to work for a living instead of telling them from the day they're born that de Guvvement owes them a living and that they're ENTITLED to dis and have A RIGHT to dat.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118618697#Comment_118618697

Not really.