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Gardai assault...2 year sentence...

  • 08-02-2022 10:52pm
    Registered Users Posts: 29,236 ✭✭✭✭ gmisk

    A sentence of two years....a real deterrent...he only has 105 previous convictions...but this time he will be a good boy when he is out I am sure...



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,318 ✭✭✭✭ seamus

    The judge has no discretion to assign a sentence longer than the law allows regardless of what the person may or may not have done previously.

    We need to do something about individuals with habitual recidivism, but it's not a simple problem.

    A "3 strikes" rule is very flawed for a number of reasons. And crucially, it doesn't prevent recidivism. The biggest issue is that it doesn't create less criminals, just more dangerous ones. If you're a super-scrote on two strikes, then you're going to fight like a wild animal to avoid the 3rd one. It doesn't matter who or how many people you kill to avoid prison - because you can't make it any worse.

    A system of escalating punishments is essentially the same problem. If you know your next conviction is guaranteed a 20-year one, then **** it, it may as well be life, so god help anyone who tries to stop me.

    Some system for removing people from society is obviously needed, but it can't be hard and fast, rather it has to be case by case if it stands any chance of working.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,555 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig

    It would never get to 20 years as someones lifetime wouldn't be long enough.

    A persons history should give the judge enough leeway to provide maximum sentences with no portion suspended

  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭ Ham_Sandwich

    very quick to judge, we don't know what this person's story is, could be struggling with addiction issues or have mental health, it's not hard to see how people end up getting into difficulty! everyone is mad to put people in jail but who has jail ever helped?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 34,381 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling

    Try this one,

    Kill a guard on duty and get 7 years and back in Court again for trying it a second time.

    Langley, Virginia

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,236 ✭✭✭✭ gmisk

  • Registered Users Posts: 878 ✭✭✭ AyeGer

    They do say people normally change for the better after their 105th criminal conviction. Thank god this guy will now be at the end of his criminal career.. phew!!

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭ mayota

    These scum must have committed thousands of crimes to have 80/90/100 convictions.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    I think the Gardai need to cop-on... i am going to seize the car but i will leave the keys in the ignition... father ted stuff...

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,294 ✭✭✭✭ Witcher

    He had the keys on him. Read the article. But sure the Garda deserved it according to you.

    Jervis then claimed he wanted to remove items from the Audi, got inside the car and turned it on

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    Well i know if the Gardai were in the process of seizing a car how did the criminal have the keys... What criminals say and what they want can be different and i expect the Gardai should know already... this is what i said...

    You are the one who said the Gardai deserve whatever according to you not me... do not twist things...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭ mikethecop

    Sec 19 s being used a bit more now but because it is has to be directed on by the DPP and can lead to costly circuit court trials it is rarely used. Gardai getting hurt is the cost of doing business for management and politicians.

    Generally its just a section 2 or 3 Assault and even then .....

    Wicklow man who bit garda’s finger and broke bone during courtroom struggle avoids jail for second time -

    Scrambling to turn AGS into some soft of leftist warm and fuzzy social worker group is continuing at pace and only suits criminals.

    Imagen having the colour of your new uniform dictated by ICCL who complained that navy or back shirts and combats looked too aggressive. or having cuffs baton and pepper spray visible and accessible was intimidating.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭ animalinside

    Is it just me or does there come a point where it stops just being totally abhorrent and despicable, and starts to become a weird kind of almost.... "impressive"?!

    I mean if you think of how impressive it is for a researcher getting 200 published articles or a player getting 200 caps - it's not just what they do, it's the sheer prolificness of it, the tenacity, the longevity of it. Only difference is this time it's with convictions.

    I wonder also about the spacing out of the convictions. Like would it be getting one or two every few days, or would weeks go by with no convictions at all and then a ton together? Would they get extra convictions while in prison or would that be too much for even them to pull off? Fascinating.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭ jmreire

    1994,,, way past the time to update these Laws.

  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 34,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭ AlmightyCushion

    For some of the convictions it is probably multiple convictions per court case.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    How would a Gardai allow his finger in mouth of suspect... details not reported but cannot see this happen except in serious incident not reported in media....

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,769 ✭✭✭ NickNickleby

    If I'm walking down the street and some thug punches me, I'd like him to get 3 months, no arguments.

    If same thug punches a Garda, 12 months, no arguments.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭ mikethecop

    you think he is really a innocent man being frame by a vast police and press conspiracy involving a judge to ?

    daft or what

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado

    I have absolutely no problem with the sentence but wonder why the Gardai ended up getting finger bitten...

    I think everyone commits any assault on any person get at least a Month.... I'm not sure i agree with more for Gardai as they know what they sign up for when they join... for me law applied equally for all...