How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119069140#Comment_119069140

Most of the motorways are congested enough as it is the closer you get to Dublin (Naas onwards on the M7 but it starts noticeably picking up from Kildare, Maynooth on the M4 etc) without adding further delays by unnecessary dawdling that forces other drivers who can/want to drive faster to overtake thus affecting both/all lanes.

If you're being overtaken by 40 foot trucks and coaches you're doing it wrong. Maybe the "I want to save fuel/the bunnies" types should stick to the secondary routes instead.

seanin4711

yes just let me root down the back of my couch for 40K minimum.

regular folks cannot afford it not matter how much the agenda wills it!

raxy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119069361#Comment_119069361

But when the roads are congested cars are driving slower anyway. I drive the m50 daily & I'd say I pass more cars while in the inside lane than I do when in the overtaking lane which is not right.

The congestion I see is usually due to cars staying in the overtaking lane until right at a junction & then breaking & crossing all lanes to exit. Opposite happening with cars entering & going straight for the overtaking lane. It's the overtaking lane that slows the most at junctions & people hogging the middle lane are adding to the problem.

I'm not advocating for driving slower, just don't think it's the cause of congestion, imo that's down to lane hogging. Obviously sometimes it is kust sheer traffic volume.

Thankfully not on the N7 anymore but used to come if from near Kill.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119057903#Comment_119057903

I'm in the same boat as I imagine probably up to a million people in ireland are at a guess.

I been thinking more and more about this recently and the real world implications of this.In reality the government can't tax ICE vehicles out of existence simply on this one point alone.They can make declarations that no ICE cars will be sold after 2030 but they can't and won't enforce that if the circumstances around EVs don't improve on a much bigger arc than they are currently on.

Even from a legal standpoint I wonder if it could be deemed some form of discrimination against people who live in townhouses,terraced houses,apartments,have no designated parking etc,that's a lot of the population.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119069817#Comment_119069817

Check this out the ev charging consultation launched today as it happens and includes some stuff on charging for those without off street parking.

Put in a response to make sure they fully cover off people who don't have off street parking.

http://www.gov.ie/evconsultation/

josip

Gorey Motorway Service is at 2.06, but they'd be 10c above norm usually.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119069817#Comment_119069817

Unless you automatically become transgender or a traveller by living in a townhouse, then no, you're not being discriminated against.

Indestructable

Crude up 2% today.

Sri Lanka with only a days petrol left, country is a basket case but a warning nonetheless.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119071751#Comment_119071751

I don't mean the 9 grounds of discrimination currently in law but if you live in any of the above mentioned situations which I'm estimating at a guess to be about a quarter of the population you can't be taxed at an unreasonable rate or have other punitive measures against you simply because of where you live.

It's not policatically possible.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119069817#Comment_119069817

The govts around the world don't need to worry about enforcing ICE bans for the following reasons

1. Most manufacturers will be finished manufacturing ICE's by the time it rolls around so there'll be little new stock floating around. Most have stopped investing in the development of new ICE models already so whats out there now and whatever is in the existing pipeline, is about as good as its going to get in terms of ICE's
2. The likes of carbon taxes will make ICE's very, VERY unattractive. This is only going to get more and more pronounced as time goes by
3. LEZ's will make driving these around cities and towns nigh on impossible or at the least, very expensive

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119071789#Comment_119071789

Sri Lanka is short on petrol, because the government can't afford to buy it., I'm presuming that the oil industry there is state run.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119071856#Comment_119071856

The likes of carbon tax hikes will become a serious issue when the cost of living crisis intensifies.

Real world versus ideal world realities will kick in and any government that doesn't take heed will be out on their ear.

You can put any spin you want on it but that whats going to happen.

Sin é.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073253#Comment_119073253

Yes and no.

They will do a few things, specifically facilitation, mitigation and motivation

Facilitate avoidance by offering more attractive alternatives e.g. Walking, cycling, PT etc

Mitigate through the reduction in costs in other areas e.g. The PSO levy

Motivate the choosing of greener alternatives through the likes of the carbon tax.

As for the carbon tax increases themselves, they are already set up to 2030 at a 7.50 eur a tonne increase every year. They'll be close to 100 eur by 2030 at which point they will likely be doubled to 15 eur increases per year to encourage the hold outs to make the switch. It will simply be the most economical option to move away from fossil fuels i.e. that's the whole point of the tax.

The tax itself is the source of funding for the grants for retrofits etc so it's not going to be going anywhere.

Regarding the car manufacturers, looks like the EU are going to take a lot of the decisions out of their hands if they haven't switched over to zero emission models. This report basically says that anything sold after 2035 should only be zero emissions. That goes for cars and vans.

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/05/16/european-ministers-back-co2-emission-standards-for-cars-vans/

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073279#Comment_119073279

I dont mean to be insulting but that post looks like it's from a person with no real world experience or any level of cop on,or perhaps a TY student.

Real world immediate issues will always trump ideal world ambitions.In a relative time of peace and stability in the world like approximately the 10 years between 2010 and 2020 then noble stuff like you're posting about can take precedence.

When real sh1t kicks off that takes a back seat.I don't have any strong opinion on this as I can't influence it either way.I have no problem accepting that.

If it makes sense for me to drive an EV in 5 years time then I probably will,if it doesn't then I won't ,I'd say most would be in the same boat.

mikeecho

Our next purchase will either be another diesel, or a petrol/electric hybrid.

Anyone I know who has a full electric car, also has a diesel. They have all said that the electric is great, but due to its limitations an ice is needed for the long journeys.

Just an observation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073319#Comment_119073319

Aye that's exactly why the schedule of increases for the carbon tax has been locked in up to 2030 and approved by all parties. It's literally been done like this to avoid exactly what you outlined, i.e. Populist short-term pauses/cuts

tabby aspreme

Germany, Sunday evening

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073503#Comment_119073503

We are still sheltered in a sense from insane price rise which is already happening on Europe mainland. That is why people here still live in some denial like "it will not be so bad"... Go online and have a look at prices in the ex eastern bloc countries. It is coming here too.

macvin

Watch for a big jump in petrol prices to about 5c above diesel.

Refinery margins have jumped to almost $40 for petrol (gasoline)

Add in the dollar at $1.04 and there's no respite.

Diesel should stay at similar prices you see.

https://www.neste.com/investors/market-data/oil-product-margins#b3e53dcc

mikeecho

Deleted.

marno21

Petrol now 5c above diesel in Circle K Bandon Road Cork. Presumably that gap will narrow when the next diesel delivery arrives

Petrol 194.9

Diesel 189.9

mikeecho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119078460#Comment_119078460

Thanks.

I filled up two petrol cars today 1.84⁸/l got 3¢ discount with AA app, and another 4¢ with fuel card.

So. 7¢ discount on 68L , paid €1.77⁸/l

(I'm switching to AXA rewards, and I'll get back to the 4¢ discount. It's just a little bit more awkward.)

Anything for a penny

A nice explainer article, detailing some of the drivers behind the price increases

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/17/why-has-the-cost-of-diesel-at-the-pump-hit-a-record-high

macvin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119079936#Comment_119079936

The article forgets to explain the refining costs properly.

A huge amount of gas is used in the refining process, so the quadrupling of gas prices has meant the actual cost of refining has jumped, hence the refinign costs won't revert back to normal levels until gas retreats

The other thing it forgets is the exchange rate. the dollar has strengthened by 10% this year. And all parts of the wholesale energy pricing is in dollars.

We'll be at these levels for a while yet

dontmindme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119081875#Comment_119081875

Surely if was all refining costs we wouldn't see petrol cheaper than diesel.

pajor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119073503#Comment_119073503

Where in Germany was that?

macvin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119082346#Comment_119082346

Petrol refining margins were substantially cheaper than diesel up to two weeks ago, then started rising and rising.

See the graph here https://www.neste.com/investors/market-data/oil-product-margins#b3e53dcc

Petrol (gasoline) is the bright blue line.

bazz26

Petrol now dearer than diesel in my filling station. Diesel was about 8c a litre more expensive about a week ago.

macvin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119095540#Comment_119095540

see post 1401 that said this was coming

refining margin for petrol has jumped to over $40 from average $15-20

diesel margin dropped from $55-$60 to under $40

Heatwave in europe has meant a drop in demand for diesel (home heating)