john Paul Hegarty of cork computers gets 7 years prison for raping his sister

Ballycommon Mast

Himself and his computer business was well known around here https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40787016.html

c montgomery

7 fukcing years !!

I hope he rots away.

Such courage by that lady, I hope shes treated like a hero by all those around her.

Mrs OBumble

And the parents who allowed that to happen, right front of their eyes, get off free?

Zatoichi

The accused told Det Sgt John O’Connell: “I never forced her. I never raped her, as in forcing someone. I never forced her. I swear on my life I never had sex with her. It kills me when I think of what happened. I have apologised to her. I did a certain amount but I didn’t finger her or have sex with her… She’s making me out to be really bad.”

According to the RTE article it appears he completely denies it, but this gives the impression he admits something happened.

I must inhabit a different planet than everyone else, only 7 years for those crimes, how is that justice?

zom

Garda should check his records seriously - perverts like that dont stop only when 18 yo...

Sonics2k

Only 7 years for rape is **** disgusting.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490921#Comment_118490921

In this country yes he was charged with a sample of assaults ,and found not guilty of one assault.

Some of the historical abusers found guilty in Rotherham had similar sentences for worse offending

Jequ0n

So the purpose of the thread is so name and shame the convicted criminal? Why else does his workplace need to be mentioned in the headline?

This reminds me of the first time I had noticed the local name and shame section in an Irish rural newspaper which listed names, addresses and offences, including the amounts that had to be paid into alms box or whatever…weird, weird tradition…

I agree with previous posters that there is a good chance there could have been other victims over the years, but I am sure police looked into the possibility already. I imagine it’d be difficult for an opportunist to resists another chance if they got away with such actions for such a long time. Hopefully it was just this one victim though.

Car99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491026#Comment_118491026

Name and shame yes damn right , that's why his sister waived anonymity so he could be named. Hopefully his business and anything else he ever touches turns to crap aswell.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490889#Comment_118490889

FFS. Why would you blame the parents? They didn't know.

The injured party even thanked her mother for her support, and you would try to blame innocent people....

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491026#Comment_118491026

Are you saying a convicted rapist shouldn’t be named and shamed now?

There is a clear pattern of sympathy towards rapists and sexual abusers from you. This is the third thread now where you have felt they have been wronged in some way, shape or form.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491453#Comment_118491453

I assume because the victim mentioned being referred to as the „worst child“ by her mother; and as having wanted to tell the parents why she was that way.

Parents miss a lot of things but somehow I don’t think you’d assume one of your children was abusing another without prompting.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491508#Comment_118491508

Where did I claim that?

I just find it absolutely peculiar that name, address and even workplace are mentioned in a news report. I have never come across this practice in any other countries.

generic_throwaway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491524#Comment_118491524

And why is that a bad thing?

The good news for offenders here is that their sentences - if they get any time at all - are usually a fraction of what they would get elsewhere. You don't see too many folks in the USA walking around with 100 convictions.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491524#Comment_118491524

Name, age, address is very common because they have to clearly identify who the person is and leave no room for any possibility of defaming someone else with a similar name.

Imagine your name is John Paul Hegarty from Cork and you have people wondering why you’re not in prison for raping your sister, despite the fact this isn’t you? How would you feel?

41-year-old John Paul Hegarty whose address is Castleview, Little Island, Co Cork makes it very clear which John Paul Hegarty they’re talking about, and the business makes it even clearer.

Of course, you think it’s a little over the top despite the fact if they didn’t then they’d be sued from every John Paul Hegarty of defamation.

Like I said, you think it’s a bit harsh to do everything that they are required by law to do.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491578#Comment_118491578

It’s a bad thing because the poor little rapist might be identified

Bellbottoms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058228536/john-paul-hegarty-of-cork-computers-gets-7-years-prison-for-raping-his-sister

Why would he be well known around here?

Poster? Party Political flunky? Or some sort of right wing provocateur?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491593#Comment_118491593

Not necessarily true ,

Your literally saying any child was sexual assaulted in the home the parents somehow allowed it ,

Abusers are manipulators and girls are very good as concealing things and most who start showing behavior issues is put down to hormones or boy trouble

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491583#Comment_118491583

Maybe there are other counties that name full names and addresses, but I have seriously never noticed this, and I am finding this really strange. You usually get abbreviated names, but nothing like this?

As stated in my first post on thread I first came across this in a rural newspaper and the list of accusations and penances read like a public flogging that the Catholic Church would have been proud of.

Anyway, I guess this discussion doesn’t add a lot to the thread.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491633#Comment_118491633

Any court report that names anyone charged or on trial in Ireland will have names, ages and addresses.

This has been a thing for many, many years and I struggle to believe you're only noticing it now.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491771#Comment_118491771

I told you that I noticed it before in a bogger newspaper, so I don’t know why you are making it out that I just noticed it. But you seem more interested in attacking me than discussing the case, which probably says a lot about you than me. Why don’t you join the rest of us and discuss the actual case?

Everlong1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490921#Comment_118490921

This is Ireland, where law and order is a joke. He'll only do 5 years with time off.

Sandor Clegane

How do the guards go about getting proof in these circumstances?

I mean this ended when she was 12...she's now 35...that is a long time since it happened so I'm curious to no what evidence could they have to prove this happened? apparently he's denying it.

In these cases where it basically a he says she says situation how do they prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491593#Comment_118491593

🙄

Yeah, sure Mrs OBumble, suppose you were there to see that all too, otherwise, just talking shite again.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491026#Comment_118491026

The victim of this man waived her right to anonymity partially so that he could be named. If it so happens that he attacked other young women over the years but they never knew his name they might see this picture and come forward to the Gardai.

Im confused here as to why you think that this man should enjoy a right to privacy? On what grounds do you claim that?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492007#Comment_118492007

And they need his name, address and workplace to remember the face? No, they don’t. It’s nothing but a public shaming exercise, and I simply stated that I personally have not come across this in foreign news, but that it might more common.

Either way this debate is derailing the actual case which is a pity.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491633#Comment_118491633

Only family law cases are heard “in camera” (in private). Criminal trials are a matter of “public interest”. With very good reason. In order for justice to be done then it must be “seen to be done”.

Defendents found guilty in a court of law are liable to be named fully including their picture in the press and across the media. Once you’ve committed a crime and been found guilty in court then you’ve lost your right to privacy. It doesn’t matter if you were found guilty of stealing a lipstick from Boots or mass murder.

Its not just what you charmingly describe as “bogger” newspapers. It’s all of them. All over the country. Almost since the invention of the printing press. Two things are mystifying me here.

1. how this appears to be an astonishing revelation to you
2. what grounds you have to object.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491593#Comment_118491593

How the actual **** would you think that? I

No parent thinks that one of their children is raping another one of their children! Jesus Christ. This must be one of the worst things that a parent could ever go through, and you want to blame the poor innocent parent? What the **** is wrong with you?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492065#Comment_118492065

How often have you seen this practiced outside Ireland then? I don’t mean the full name, but I mean also address and the workplace mentioned? To me this is bizarre.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492058#Comment_118492058

Come on. You are stating that you’ve never heard of Larry Murphy? The Yorkshire Ripper Peter Sutcliffe? Joe O Reilly? Charles Manson? Adrian Baley? Christopher Watts?

Fallout2022

Twenty years or higher would be the appropriate sentence here.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492110#Comment_118492110

You're the one making a big deal out of what is very clear law and you are still banging on about it despite making clear that you aren't willing to listen to explanations.

This is also the case in the UK. It's not a difficult concept to understand but you have made it clear that you aren't actually interested in understanding.

SunnySundays

I've total admiration for this woman's strenght courage in seeking to have him convicted.

Not only was she abused as a helpless child but when she told people, it was swept under the carpet. Despite that she still had the courage to report it.

I hope his sentence gives her whatever she needs for her own health and sanity. I hope her story allows others to seek their own justice in similar circumstances.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492091#Comment_118492091

You’ve never ever read in a newspaper or heard on the TV/radio an account of a murder or a rape in the UK, the US or Aus for example? Who murdered Jill Meagher in Australia? Who is Gary Gilmore?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492153#Comment_118492153

No, I have never heard of a case where full name, full address and workplace/ company were mentioned.

Fallout2022

It was really brave to make the decision to allow herself to be identified. This was the only path by which the accused could then be identified. She made the sacrifice to ensure that he was exposed to all the world for what he was.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492170#Comment_118492170

You often hear in news reports they would be a member of AGS would be mentioned along with name and address in relation to wrongdoings even if it's not connected to their job as a Garda.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492170#Comment_118492170

I’m sorry. I think at this stage you should just admit that you’ve totally gone down a rabbit hole that you can’t find your way out of. The newspapers are full to overflowing all over the world with the most intimate details of the lives of all kinds of criminals but you are insisting that it only happens in The Tipperary Star.

You never heard of Myra Hindley Fred and Rose West, Dr Shipman Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy. Sure you didn’t.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490889#Comment_118490889

How do you know they let it happen?

The daughter, Nora, is a pillar of strength and courage.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490933#Comment_118490933

What sentence would you have handed down? And give reasons for your answer.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490921#Comment_118490921

I think the majority of the rapes occurred when he himself was a minor so that may have something to do with the longevity of the sentence.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491453#Comment_118491453

The likes of Mrs O'Bumble rarely think before they have a brainfart. It's quite typical of that ilk. Find someone to blame and the facts be damned.

Here's a scenario. A parent is bringing their kid home and a storm moves in. The parent gets the child to safety. O'Bumble commends the parent.

Scenario B: The parent DOESN'T get the child to safety and they get separated in the tumult and the child dies. O'Bumble screams "why did that parent take a shortcut through the woods with a small child? Hang him high.

TP_CM

Surprised (Unless I missed it) no one mentioned the main reason they released his full name without any ambiguity. The whole reason she bravely waived anonymity. His name, photo, job and everything is out there because his sister wants to make it easier for other victims, if any, to know about this and come forward with their story of abuse. Because as one poster rightly said, you don't do this kind of thing for 3 years and then become a saint. There is some chance there are others out there.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491508#Comment_118491508

Is there a pattern of sympathy towards rapists, sexual abusers and others from the poster that you mentioned? Could you elaborate? I'd like to see how he/she expresses support/sympathy for convicted criminals.

Just asking.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491845#Comment_118491845

Why do you say it is a joke? You seem to think that you know what sentences ought to fit what crimes. I have a little bit of news for you. There are guidelines, mandates, precedents, mitigating factors, etc.

What you are engaging in is emotional bullsh1t without taking the time to allow your little mind to cool down and take stock. A 16 year old boy, e.g. get drunk on a measly six-pack and grabs a girl and tries to kiss her. Bad call, he doesn't hurt her but he frightens her.

You will clamour for him to be banged up. O'Bumble will probably blame both his and her parents.

Now, if that was your 16 year old son......would you clamour for him to be banged up or would you talk to the girl and her parents and the Guards and try to smooth this over.

And don't FOR ONE SECOND try to think that I am equating a dumbass teenager having a few and groping a girl against her will with RAPE.

What I am saying is that the LAW is the LAW.

You want this bastard to hang. Not because you know what the sentencing guidelines are but because you are emotional about it. And you haven't spared a moment to think it over.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491590#Comment_118491590

The criminal has been, arrested, charged, tried, convicted and sentenced.

What more do you want? Are you of that ilk who licks their lips and hopes he gets tortured whilst inside? If so then say so. And if that is your bag then say you want more than justice. Say you want revenge. This bastard is in the can for his crimes and GOOD. But that's not good enough for you. You want more. And when others tell you to slow down and stop frothing at the mouth and put your pitchfork away you say that they want to give a poor rapist a hug and have us all sing about how he was lonely or some such sh1t.

Cop the FCUK on. Nobody wants this guy to be let off the hook. They just want people like you to STFU with your "burn 'em at the stake BS" Your answer to that is that we all want criminals to just be loved.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492348#Comment_118492348

Stop twisting my words please. I never made reference to this particular newspaper.

You can list as many notorious serial killers or criminals who made it into world news, but it has absolutely no relevance to this case. It obviously makes sense to describe location where a crime was committed, but not the one exact location where the person was living at the time of their arrest.

There is no need to distinguish this man from others who might live in the area and have the same name., unless there are plenty of other siblings around with the same names and ages as victim and convicted rapist.

If you check my first post on this you can see that I am questioning why this man’s workplace was specified in the title, and I still continue to find this bizarre. The only time you ever see a headline like this is if the case deals with someone famous whose name rings a bell as soon as you see it.

But maybe it is unsurprising that all objectivity goes out the window with these cases because people can’t keep their emotions in check.

The_Kew_Tour

Well done to the brave lady.

True courage.

kowloonkev

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491897#Comment_118491897

Very good question.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492544#Comment_118492544

Eh, this was repeated abuse between the ages of 7 and 12. The only reason he stopped doing it was fear of getting her pregnant. It's not a sixteen year old trying to kiss a girl while drunk(you introduced that anecdote). The law is the law and sometimes sentencing is inadequate.