Omicron Origins

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426671#Comment_118426671

Respect the opinions of others!!!!

Also in the charter

You want me to look up more of these gems ?

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426671#Comment_118426671

You clearly don't, either, so congratulations yourself.

https://bprice.substack.com/p/lab-leak-20

The odd man out is Omicron. It's missing the normal and expected trial and error mutations, according to people more qualified than I.

Covid was most likely a gain of function job from Wuhan.

The Delta variant got out of a lab in Taiwan.

Omicron looks like it was another gain of function lab job.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537670#Comment_118537670

Delta got out of a lab in Taiwan??

That's very strange as there was almost a month between the detection of delta in India in May and the first cases of delta in June.

Did it simply decide to bypass the island, China, South east Asia and only start to cause trouble in India??

Theres nothing you've said above that doesn't discount the immunocompromised person theory as the most likely source of Omicron.

If you want to put forward your Omicron gain of function theory, then answer the question as to why you think it was released, and by who??

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537766#Comment_118537766

I have a geneticist living in my household. She veted the content on the page that I linked to, which includes the Taiwan lab leak info, and includes a link to this: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4371212

The Delta varient leaked from the Taiwan lab, but that lab wasn't the source of the variant. It established the plausibility of such leaks with regard to theories concerning Wuhan.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537556#Comment_118537556

Lol so what I described above didn't happen?

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537812#Comment_118537812

Ah the back tracking begins immediately

Youre just another liar

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118537944#Comment_118537944

You are having a reading comprehension problem. I said: "The Delta variant got out of a lab in Taiwan."

I did not say the Taiwan lab was the source of the variant, or claim that to be the case, but thought I should add clarification on that point.

Nice try at deflection from your original unjustified personal attack aimed at the OP.

Cheerful S

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-leak-more-likely-origin-of-covid-19-says-researcher-2653379

It came from a lab, was obvious debunkers are trolls.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118872276#Comment_118872276

Sorry cheerful, people who disagree with you and don't immediately fall for bullshit like you are not trolls.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118872276#Comment_118872276

for every conspiracy theory article, theres another to debunk it

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/nov/15/viral-by-alina-chan-and-matt-ridley-review-was-covid-19-really-made-in-china

There is just one problem: nowhere do they present proof that Sars-CoV-2 was manufactured. Take Chan’s claim that it appeared pre-adapted to human transmission “to an extent similar to late epidemic Sars”. This claim rests on a single mutation in the spike protein that appears to “slightly enhance” (Chan and Ridley’s words) its ability to bind to human receptor cells and suggests that by the time it was first detected in Wuhan it had “apparently stabilised genetically”.

But this is highly misleading. As the subsequent alphabet soup of variants demonstrates, the coronavirus has undergone repeated mutations that have steadily increased its fitness. Furthermore, studies of viruses isolated from pangolins, one of the animals suspected of being an intermediary host, bind to human receptor cells even more efficiently than Sars-CoV-2, suggesting capacity for further adaptation. As two leading virologists put it, the virus was not perfectly adapted to humans but was “just good enough”.

robinph

Presumably that they found something about it that makes it good at human transmission just shows that because it is good at human transmission its been studied in greater detail.

Without also studying every variant of every virus ever, that it transmits in humans doesn't prove anything much.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877792#Comment_118877792

You began by saying it was a conspiracy and you shouldn't believe it. What makes you believe China? 

There are at least two to three high-end labs in Wuhan researching coronaviruses, so why would you rule this out as unlikely? The possibility of accidents occurring in labs isn't an implausible, theory. 

I never believed that the Chinese intentionally leaked the virus. It's possible there was some faulty containment in a lab, or someone got the virus on themselves and left work and spread it. That's more plausible than someone eating an animal got it. In Wuhan, researchers were unable to find the mammals ( bat linked to covid19) being sold in markets.

This is one of the main points in the nonconspiracy article.

When it emerged that one of these isolates, labelled RaTG13, shared 96% of its genome with Sars-CoV-2 and that WIV researchers had been experimenting with chimeric versions capable of infecting human cells, speculation intensified. Never mind that similar “gain-of-function” experiments had been conducted at western biosecurity facilities and showed that such stepwise changes in virulence could occur naturally. The fact that the outbreak had begun in the same city as the WIV was too much of a coincidence to ignore. As two Chinese researchers put it: “The probability was very low for bats to fly to the market.”

sydthebeat

Already answered.

Come back when you've something new

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968060#Comment_118968060

This is unlikely. Most conspiracy mongers have already moved on from covid stuff because the news cycle has moved on. Cheerful and other conspiracy theorists aren't able to produce their own ideas.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877792#Comment_118877792

This was one of the stronger "conspiracies" on this forum, that it was leaked from a lab (and maybe it was) and these were the key drivers, the scientists, behind that theory. There was the first red flag, statements of objectivity but constant attacks on the zoonotic origins theory. Then the next red flag, their weird decentralized internet group doing an informal "scooby-do" type detective thing, complete with anonymous character from the world of social media. Then it turns out one of the key scientists is a climate change denialist (sorry, "sceptic"). All the red flags piling up, crank senses were tingling, but still I gave the benefit of the doubt.

And now, surprise, surprise, a book by champions of "rigorous science" that fails to do any. It's unreal how consistently this stuff makes its way to this forum.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968147#Comment_118968147

A while back the conspiracy theorists were dangerously close to proposing a rational, reasonable conspiracy theory.

There was a lot of talk of "gain of function" research and suggestions that labs in China were using it and that American funding was being used to pay for it. Leaving aside all of the covid conspiracy stuff, this would be a scandal as that kind of research is frowned upon and in the course of investigations around Chinese labs, US officials categorically denied that this research was happening and used US funding.

The conspiracy here being that the US was either knowingly or unknowingly funding research they shouldn't have, then lied about it.

But since this conspiracy doesn't involve super viruses being artificially created to make everyone take super evil vaccines etc etc, conspiracy theorists have no interest in the idea. It's too boring. It doesn't give eye catching clickbaity soundbites for them to consume and spread.