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Are we becoming worse as a Nanny State?

  • 30-12-2021 4:48pm
    Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭ Stephen_Maturin

    Considering an outright ban on tobacco (as if all smokers wouldn’t just empty duty frees, depriving the state of ~1 billion in tax revenue).

    Minimum alcohol pricing coming in.

    Why is the government’s answer to every issue just to ban things? What has happened to the concept of personal responsibility?

    I find it unpalatable in the extreme. That smug, condescending muinteoir “we know what’s best for you” air about them. And what frustrates me most is the vocal swathes of Helen Lovejoys who actually welcome the government further restricting their lives and their freedoms.

    We are not becoming more liberal with time, we are becoming more Puritan. Are we on a slippery slope?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,571 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road

    and their ban is going to fail because all prohibition does.

    it implements a mystical nature in relation to any sort of drug and tobacco won't be any different even though as you rightly point out it does not get one high.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭ thefallingman

    We've been a nanny state for a long time, but there is serious benefits to not having tobacco in our country for the good of our health, and that of our children, but like many are pointing out, how do you police it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,938 ✭✭✭✭ Tell me how

    Why is the government’s answer to every issue just to ban things?

    You say this like both the tobacco and alcohol industries have continued for decades after the evidence of their destructive impact became evidence.

    I'm not in favour of outright bans, off the cuff, but that hasn't come close to happening in either of these cases. I am a former smoker who really enjoyed the act of smoking a cigarette and luckily I was never a heavy smoker but I have no problem with the scaled manner in which it has been targeted for reducing the number of people doing it because it was accompanied by massively overwhelming evidence as to its harm.

    Why shouldn't a government look at the potential risks to the health of a society and look to mitigate against them? Why should we have an expectation to be able to do whatever we want, whenever we want, when we rely on cohabiting and engaging with everyone else in society as part of our existence.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ TheRepentent

    Pointless banning it completely...we'd just end up giving criminal gangs more money. Look at prohibition in the states and the war on drugs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,571 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road

    covid certs only exist because of those who won't get vaccinated because doctor youtube, and because those of us who are vaccinated have a right to go about our business seeing as we are responsible adults who took personal responsibility.

    carbon taxes are necessary so as to make things more efficient and hugely cut ridiculous pollution levels.

    speed limiters have been fitted to trucks and buses for as long as i can remember, so it actually makes sense to fit them to cars as well given people do break the speed limit and cars can cause damage in an accident situation.

    i will give you cashless society, i wish to be able to use cash as it's convenient for me but i don't think that it's removal is about nanny statism but about cost cutting by the banks.

    i obviously don't support fag bans or nonsense like MUP and believe all restrictions in relation to alcohol bar the age limit should be removed.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ Ubbquittious

    It is just that the amount of freedom you are expected to give up for the common good is continuously increasing. It has been increasing as long as I'm alive but the last couple of years of it are really taking the biscuit.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭ BluePlanet

    Pretty sure this is just kite flying.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    the notion of speed limiters in cars being a sign of nanny statism is strange; complaining about being prevented from doing something which is already illegal is a sign that you resent it being illegal, not that you resent the new measure. i.e. people who complain about speed limiters should simply just clarify that they object to speed limits, not speed limiters.

    re smoking, i'd be content if the price of cigarettes was simply set to accrue for the state what the cost of dealing with smoking related illnesses cost. so if you want to smoke, you fund your own healthcare and don't depend on the public purse for your hobby. thankfully smoking has declined to a point where the rest of us are much more rarely subjected to the stink of someone else's smoke.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭ corks finest

  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭ nj27

    Carbon taxes will certainly save the world as China adds 43 new coal fired power plants and 18 blast furnaces to their already substantial emissions, so our barely detectable levels should be an immediate priority of course. I do tend to speed a lot, but you don't have to use all of the power all the time. I'd remove any speed restrictor from my car and decide when I want to speed myself without input from anyone else. I hate alcohol and tobacco but it's up to you if you want to indulge in that and be an unhealthy pig! I'd love to ban porno tho.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 43,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder

    assuming those figures are correct, i'd say it's nearly job done on tobacco so; it's dying anyway because of vaping and other factors, little need to waste money on further schemes to drive it down more.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭ NSAman

    While they are at it, why don’t they ban alcohol….?

    that worked under prohibition …😀

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,190 ✭✭✭ growleaves

    'Covid aside, we enjoy more freedom today than the vast majority of people throughout history'

    There is no Covid aside, since it isn't clear when if ever the restrictions and the siege against the unvaccinated will be lifted.

    Many Europeans of the last thousand years lived much freer lives than people do now.

    "We have years of struggle ahead, mostly within ourselves" - Jean-Luc Godard

  • Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭ Stephen_Maturin

    Yeah exactly, I just don’t see the need for further restrictive measures

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭ Season 2

    It will be interesting to see how it works out. My feeling is that as there is no great buzz with smoking then the black market would likely be small. A lot of people will just quit or not start in the first place.

    For those that still want to smoke it will push it into organised crime which will not be good.

  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭ it takes 2 2 tango

    There’s a thread in AH started by yours truly 😆

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,571 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road

    get the vaccine and there won't be any extra restrictions on you.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,190 ✭✭✭ growleaves

    We're debating how free Ireland is as a country.

    "We have years of struggle ahead, mostly within ourselves" - Jean-Luc Godard

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭ joseywhales

    What will we mix into our spliffs?

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