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Róisín Shortall

  • 13-12-2021 12:48am
    Posts: 61 ✭✭

    I live in a 3 seat constituency where Róisín Shortall has been elected since 1992.

    I can't seem to find a list of her achievements from searching on Google. Could anybody let me know why she has been re-elected repeatedly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,453 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    One reason is because she is a good communicator and more accessible to her constituents then other TD’s and candidates.

    she was one of the first TD’s in the country to embrace social media as a means to engage with her constituents and the wider electorate. Before that she had ( maybe still does ) a very informative newsletter she went door to door with for people..

    i don’t know enough about her achievements or maybe lack of them but the perception in her community is that she is one of the better candidates..especially regarding grass roots local issues…I wouldn’t be a fan of her national politics for the most part but speaking to my parents they’d always give her a vote and in the past I did too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf

    She has clearly monopolised the centre left vote in that constituency since Prionsiais de Rossa quit. There is clearly a major space in such Northside constituencies for her brand of politics, the TD herself doesn't have to be a stellar performer to entrench herself long-term.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,063 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35

    Depends what you call successful, the SDs are getting nowhere outside the more well off urban areas.

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,787 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

  • Posts: 61 ✭✭[Deleted User]

    Any achievements anyone could point to? There has to be something considering she has been a TD for almost 30 years.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout

    Just think about it some more - It's extraordinarily rare that a minster steps down on a point of principle. Shorthall did it. Lucinda Creighton did it over that Abortion bill. Off the top of my head I cannot think of anyone else in the past 20 years. The only similar thing I can recall was Trevor Sargent stepping down as leader of the Greens (and almost certainly giving up the opportunity to be a full minister as a result) when they voted to enter into coalition with FF after the 2007 election.

  • Posts: 61 ✭✭[Deleted User]

    That is an unusual question.

    How are people in her constituency better off as a direct result of an action she took?

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,887 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1

    Surely being relected time and time again by her constituency since 1992 is an achievement in itself. Don't know the lady but do think she does a decent job, infact I'm quite impressed at the SD generally, some excellent TD'S.

    From a constituency point of view, she's clearly doing a good job given her electoral success and it was quite a brave decision to leave Labour who just seem to be utterly irrelevant, Aodhán Ó Ríordáin & Alan Kelly appear at times to be spokespeople for this utterly appalling government.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.

  • Registered Users Posts: 25,713 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus

    How are they better off as a result of anything Dessie Ellis has ever done? And yet he has been repeatedly re-elected, and topped the poll last time around.

    People may feel that they are better off if their concerns are listened to and articulated by their TDs. And they may feel that Shortall and/or Ellis listen to their concerns, and articulate them effectively.

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,425 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger

    Never forget it was Shortall who originally started pounding the minimum unit pricing drum and got the ball rolling on the atrocious legislation that is the public health alcohol bill.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout

    I was trying to ascertain what it is you think a good Dáil politician should be doing and you answered it. You want a parish pump style politician who's focus should be maximizing the returns for their constituency. From the list I gave you above Michael Healy-Rae would be the best example of that. He's famous for sorting out medical cards, planning permissions, "funeral packs", running buses for cataract patients and various other greasing of the wheels of bureaucracy in favour of his constituents.

    Does Roisin Shorthall do these things? Frankly, I doubt it. I do know that some politicians prefer to focus their energy on national issues. They hold less face to face meetings with constituents, they don't show up at funerals and they try and spend more time in Dublin working on their committee work or on defending/opposing upcoming legislation. I suspect that these politicians are in the minority. After all you don't have to remind a TD that "all politics is local".

    As for Shorthall, I would imagine that running a party takes up a lot of her time. She must be getting the balance right though since she has a stellar record in being reelected by her constituents.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭beggars_bush

    so a minister in a health portfolio comes up with a health related bill...

    isn't that, you know, doing your job??

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,425 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger

    It has nothing to do with health, they originally pushed it as an idea to help rural pubs combat the lower prices of off licenses and super markets selling cheaper booze, when they realised that the optics on that was really bad not to mention illegal under competition law they pivoted it to health. In reality the VFI and LVF lobbied FG hard for this.

    All the evidence for this is available from FGs 2011 manifesto

    Supporting Irish Pubs: Fine Gael recognises the importance of the Irish pub for tourism, rural jobs and as a social outlet in communities across the country. We will support the local pub by banning the practice of below cost selling on alcohol, particularly by large supermarkets and the impact this has had on alcohol consumption and the viability of pubs. 

    Shortall while in Labour and part of the coalition pushed hard for it

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout

    It has nothing to do with health

    That's simply not true. You can certainly argue the reason for implementing the law in the first place but you cannot argue that putting a floor on the price of alcohol (or any product proven to be detrimental to health) will not have any health benefits. Will it wipe out the problem of alcoholism? No, of course not since that's a complex disorder with many variables, only one of which is the cost of alcohol. Will it reduce some future alcohol-related health problems? Yes, the studies are clear on this point:

    Nearly all studies, including those with different study designs, found that there was an inverse relationship between the tax or price of alcohol and indices of excessive drinking or alcohol-related health outcomes. Among studies restricted to underage populations, most found that increased taxes were also signifıcantly associated with reduced consumption and alcohol-related harms.


  • Registered Users Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear

    Shortall knows what side of her bread is buttered , throwing her hat into the ring for the SD's upon leaving Labour seeing the writing on the wall. An achievement does not have to be in concrete terms - i.e. getting a new hospital or some building opened, she does her job as one poster said she is an effective communicator. I do know she was in favour of alcohol minimal pricing which will not endear her to a youthful electorate.

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,425 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger

    Then explain why this is not being done via excise? The vast majority of the price increases from MUP will go directly into Alcohol sellers and producers pockets with public finances seeing just a fraction. This has nothing to do with health.

    Also can you explain why we still apparently have such a problem with alcohol that MUP is required while also having the second most expensive alcohol in Europe?

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011

    Will it cause harm-transference to drugs instead? Based on Scottish data, yes.

    It could have been done via excise; but isn't because that would hit the publicans and this is being done to benefit publicans not for public health reasons.

    It could even have been done via below cost selling orders but Martin is unlikely to want to bring those back in when he often cites removing them as an acheivement!

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell

    Setting a requirement for unit pricing so that any alcohol can only be priced as per unit, that is a single can or bottle is priced the same whether it is sold as one can or bottle or as a slab of 24 cans or a case of six bottes. This removes the pressure to buy excess(ive) quantities.

    Currently Tesco are selling 24 slabs of various beers and stout at €18 and yet a single can costs €5 or so. Now I assume the slab is below cost. (The price applied the other day but the prices vary by day).

    I think the level suggested for minimum price is too high - it should be set to discourage below cost selling, not to pass excess profits to retailers - it is anti-competitive..

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang

    Shortall always strikes me as one of our few principled politicians. I don't agree with her stance, but I do respect her. She stood up to Reilly even when her party didn't back her. As others have pointed, that's rare in Irish politics.

    I believe she's kept up efforts on supporting Slaintecare even though it won't specifically be to her party's advantage. I think that show's somebody putting the Irish population's interests ahead of her own political interests.

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell

    Yes, she definitely comes across as an honest and principled politician. Rare enough.

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,453 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    It’s a seriously competitive and engaged constituency so to be there 30 years later is impressive… must be doing something right.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011

    A single can doesn't cost close to a fiver; unless its some hyper-specialist craft product that will not ever appear in slabs. More like 2.50.

    €18 for 24 mass-produced cans might be below cost, but barely. The only alcohol that you can say for certain is below cost is the €12-13 bottles of spirits, as the cost of the duty plus VAT on the duty is more than the sales price!

    And anyway, unit pricing as you suggest came in some time ago. The workaround is to put a different size can in the slabs (538ml currently) which you just don't sell in singles.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Good loser

    She was the prime mover in the genesis of Slaintecare and defends it without reservation in any discussions/debates.

    It's a rubbish policy in my opinion; trying to introduce the NHS model into the HSE or displace the HSE with the NHS model. While the NHS in England is running into huge bottlenecks and budget overruns. I have never heard her questioned publicly about what the arguments for Slaintecare are. Surely we should look to countries with a relatively successful health service like Germany, Holland, Austrailia and NZ.