Covid cert and public pool and gym

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435591#Comment_118435591

Why did you leave out the first part of the bit you quoted? I mean that is the question you asked?

"Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory."

sean29

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435672#Comment_118435672

Romania? Explain. I shouldn've quoted this anyway because we are talking about spreading a disease with 99.97 and considerably higher survival rates, do you get that bit? Why the pass for this? What about other diseases, why there are no passes for them? Switch off the media and switch on your brain.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435828#Comment_118435828

Why are you dwelling on survival rates?

sean29

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435916#Comment_118435916

I'm hoping you will finally get how deadly this virus is but I think that's too much for me to ask

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435996#Comment_118435996

Mortality rates have not driven health policies related to Covid for almost a year since the vaccine rollout. You can of course ask, but the answer to that question, certainly in Ireland where vaccination rate is approx 94%, is that most of us do not fear dying from Covid. But of course death is not the only consideration, as you must well know.

sean29

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436039#Comment_118436039

Ok just answer me this. You said about viral load, transmission, ok. A vaccine will only reduce transmission for 8 weeks. That means you would need a booster every month. I had covid already and I have immunity for years (probably lifetime). Do you not see the absurd of this situation?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118438251#Comment_118438251

Why would you think you have immunity for years (probably lifetime)?

sean29

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118438268#Comment_118438268

Do you even know how immune system works? Do you know that it's not only about IgG and IgM antibodies. Yes, those levels fall over time. Ever heard of memory T cells? In case of reinfection (which is rare*) your immune system will recognise the threat much faster and start producing antibodies much quicker. Google t cells

*Research from Quatar, 265,000 unvaccinated people. Just over 1,000 got reinfected, 4 (four) hospitalised, no deaths. Immune system 99.7 effective over 14 month period. No vaccine is even close to this figure.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118440707#Comment_118440707

Sean, where does the study you linked say you have immunity to infection, much less for years, or a lifetime?

The study you linked assessed the “risk of severe disease (leading to acute care hospitalization), critical disease (leading to hospitalization in an intensive care unit [ICU]), and fatal disease caused by reinfections as compared with primary infections”, it does not say you have immunity to Covid, nor does it give a timescale to the protection against severe infection, in fact, it says the duration of protection against severe disease “needs to be determined”.

The understanding that Covid infection does give some degree of immunity over the short term is not new, (I have yet to read any report or research that says it gives long term immunity to Covid, or severe symptoms) but Gyms do not have a right to ask for your confidential medical history, and many unvaccinated either may not know they had Covid if they were asymptomatic, or may not have gotten a PCR test so may not be able to show proof of recent recovery from Covid.

Sean there are new studies being released all the time and our understanding of Covid will improve, as will vaccines and therapeutics. But the study you linked does not support your statement on long term immunity, and will not change Government policy on Covid certs and gyms.

yosemitesam1

Does this end tonight? Haven't seen it being renewed anywhere

sean29

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118442486#Comment_118442486

The key difference is that natural immunity develops your secretory IgA under the mucosal surfaces which are our first, innate immunity line of defence against infection. Vaccine-induced immunity boosts circulating IgA - nowhere near the mucosal surfaces. This is why - even if we ignore variants and spike protein mutation evasion - reinfections occur in the vaccinated: your secretory IgA immunity is still naive to the virus.