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EU Proposal on calf transportation. NO MOVE UNDER 35DAYS

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭ alps


    Criminal offence...

    Should have have been sent back through our accreditation system and the purpotrators charged...

    Zore tolerance for that xhyte...some damage done to genuine farmers..



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,884 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves


    Still going on. I saw a few lot of Friesian down as AA. This was not one in a bunch but a full bunch of 5-6. Auctioneer highlighting it as well.

    They made enough as well for Friesians. I cannot understand as I would not get the bonus on th if I had them

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭ alps


    Seems like there was a sting in the tail for the breeders as well 😅




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭ Danzy


    Because they had powerful friends helping in it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 864 ✭✭✭ mr.stonewall


    That is a fine scheme, would be interesting to implement in Ireland. Surely the fine would have to be applied to farm of birth. A random sample taken at 6months of 1-2% of all births at annually would give a good picture of what is happening.

    At 2.3 million calves this would leave 23,000 to 46000 samples to be taken. It's only a drop in the ocean compared to the BDGP Genomics. Secondly it would only require less on the profile.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭ Good loser


    The slaughter/killing of calves is the best way of all to reduce our cattle numbers, which is exactly the measure needed for climate change targets for farming. The Dept should be tasked with buying up (in the market as cheaply as possible) 200/300 or 400,000 calves per annum and 'putting them to sleep'. Or put the job out to tender. It should cost no more than €60m per annum.

    The story should be 'You want reduction in numbers - this is the way to go.' Climate change cannot be cost free. I see no reason ANY/EVERY farm organisation would not support this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ Easten


    What is the issue with stopping calves under 35 days from being moved, is it because the veal system needs them younger?

    35 days is only a month old calf, surly the Dairy farmers aren't gone that tight fisted to feed them for the month



  • Registered Users Posts: 138 ✭✭ farmerphil135


    just on the breeding off british fresians, as a dairy beef farmer i much prefer HO breed calves over FR bred calves. the HO on average weigh much better but you loose a grade ie. o= to o-. but the price difference in grades dosent cover the difference in weight.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭ Good loser


    'They will not tolerate this' you say.

    That mindset will have to be changed. I have absolutely no problem with it and rationally there can be no objection to it. Luckily animals are not rational.

    Plenty calves are killed quite young at present; veal calves only live 4/5 months anyway. Sentiments must be changed with Climate Change the driving factor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭ Gawddawggonnit


    Pure genius.

    Toyota have a factory in Valenciennes where they make Yaris cars for the European market. 10000 employees and therefore an important employer in that area.

    Why couldn’t they crush those new cars as they exit the factory? Win, win. Better for the environment/climate and Toyota get to produce cars away like before?

    Pure genius.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,884 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves


    Well if you think you can change the mind set of over a billion people in the area where our customers supply. They are not going to damage that market.

    Like I said in my previous post ''I do not know why people suggest scenario's that are not compatible with modern ethics and sensibilities''

    There is a prayer

    ''God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

    courage to change the things I can,

    and wisdom to know the difference.''

    In this case it's an unwinnable battle even if we wanted to win it a d Most can see no reason for it. Any business model has to accept there are costs in that model you have to accept

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭ jaymla627


    Theirs a small tiny 1% minority that'll you'll find on twitter, board etc that ideologically fit the above description the other 99% couldn't give a flying f**k..

    Any co-op with a small bit of sense could start a world food bank program providing third world countries with baby formula etc, plaster this on your milk cartoons etc and any bad press re Bobby calves would soon be forgetten



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,884 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves


    P&O gave up carrying calves on the Landbridge because of negative publicity regarding calf transport. The reason export is going is because of welfare issues. If we cannot [email protected]@king export calves in 2-5 years WTF makes you think you can put a slaughter scheme in place for 2-400k calves. Wake up and smell the coffee.

    On African charity or any other questions thing you want to call it. The safest thing for babies is Brest feeding, any concerted program planned from your suggestion would backfire with negative publicity. Baby food and hygiene is a huge issue in poorer countries.

    Actually baby formula is more a second world issue than first or third world. In first world mother get parental leave to Brest feed, in third world most women do. It second world working women that buy infant formula so they can go back to work

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭ LawBoy2018




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭ jaymla627


    Kiwi farmers are allowed why can't the paddies do it, given we are actually receiving lower milk prices then them, your argument that woke vegan twitter warriors will shut it down doesn't hold water, why is humane bull calf slaughter for food, unethical but slaughtering lambs is perfectly fine



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭ memorystick


    Is there any possibility of rearing calves in Ireland for the veal trade? Plenty of lads have a great set up for such an enterprise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,123 ✭✭✭ Birdnuts


    The industry here has enough issues to be dealing with without further toxic associations with the NZ "Dirty Dairy" model. Plus there is a world of difference between lambs reared for several months outdoors and bobby calves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,884 ✭✭✭✭ Bass Reeves


    No. Our calf births are too condensed. The big veal producers take our calves because they are cheap and provide competition for that period of the year. However exporting can struggle as s lot more dairy farmer's want to sell at 14 days and are willing to take the hit on price

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    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭ Gawddawggonnit


    Its illegal to kill newly hatched male chicks in France…imagine, just imagine, the uproar if it was suggested to kill newborn calves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,526 ✭✭✭ jaymla627


    What other solutions are their? If co-ops go the arla route where no calf born on farm can be slaughtered before 8 weeks of age, then they are going to have to compensate their suppliers for the financial hit in building calf sheds to accommodate these calves and then the real prospect of giving them away at the 8 weeks if larry and Co faced with a wall of cattle year in and out knowing they have a guaranteed supply, will pay prices that the Brazilians wouldn't even be happy with.....

    All of the above complimented with soaring input costs realistically means the beef man mighten even take the calves at 8 weeks, so they'll be going for slaughter anyways....



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭ alps


    There is a genuine food outlet for these calves.

    The welfare concern comes from the worry that these calves aren't looked after properly at birth, and for their subsequent time.

    They can be neglected..

    But what if this was properly regulated, calves cared for like all others, and a genuine market demand for the the meat...???



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭ Easten


    I thought a calf could be sold without it being a "movement" once it is under a certain age, so while it could not be exported it still could be sold on to a calf rearer or even a calf exporter who would hold the calf until it was 35 days old



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭ DBK1


    The other solution is to breed proper stock like what was done for generations in Ireland and get away from the jersey and Holstein rubbish that’s being bred now. Go back to British friesian cows crossed with white heads, Angus, Charlaois, Simmental etc. Then your calves will be worth rearing and you’ll have plenty of customers for them.

    Yea you’ll take a bit of a hit on your milk production but stay at the sh**e dairy farmers are at now and you’ll have to take the hit on the cost of building facilities to keep your calves for 7 or 8 weeks and maybe give them away for nearly nothing then just to get them out of the yard.

    The choice would be up to you as to which option suits you best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭ alps


    There is a market, a very genuine market....you're not reading properly..



  • Registered Users Posts: 703 ✭✭✭ valtra2


    So dairy farmers don't want to rear the calf and don't want to give them away cheap in case someone else might just make something on them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭ DBK1


    Well said GNWoodd.

    Lads need to realise as well that this is a public forum and coming up with rubbish like going down the Bobby calf route could well be used as that stick in the future.

    When it was suggested first on this thread I assumed it was sarcasm, I’d find it hard to believe there’s any farmer in Ireland that would think that’s a good idea.



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