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Ahmaud Arbery Case

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The outcome has been known for days since the Judge basically directed a verdict to the jury.

    He stripped the defence's case of self defence by saying they failed to meet the criteria for citizen's arrest because they didn't see him commit a crime that day.

    They also provoked Ahmaud by chasing him down in their truck, again stripping their rights to self defence.

    No one wants to see vigilante justice, they could have easily taken his photo and reported him to police.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    He was lynched , it's not self defense , especially when two pickup trucks with armed men chase an unarmed man down the road , where the unarmed man ends up being shot 3 times with a shotgun

    Langley , Virginia



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭ Melanchthon


    Yeah as I understand it Arbery had he lived would have been able to claim self defense as they chased him and pointed weapons at him.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No good side to this one. They could have let him go and have him arrested later. That said from the video posted Arbery changed direction and suddenly lunged for the shotgun, there was a struggle and all. Suspect jury will acquit . Would be manslaughter here



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    One side chased an unarmed man ,who committed no crime , other to walk through a small construction site and took a drink of water in a white neighborhood ,

    It was previously claimed he broke in to a truck to steal a gun , turns out the truck would automatically unlock and the suspect in the theft was actually white , but not according to the shooter

    Langley , Virginia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,779 ✭✭✭✭ pjohnson


    A sane country would convict the lot of them for murder without a second thought. But America is a special case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    If it wasn't for the video being leaked to the media ,this would never have made a discussion and if it did it would go along the lines of if wasn't up to no good and complied with the good old boys with guns he would be still alive now only in prison for some reason or another

    Langley , Virginia



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,298 ✭✭✭✭ Fr Tod Umptious




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭ Nozebleed


    i cant see a conviction coming here. Aubrey was seen trespassing on multiple occasions,the two men who confronted him didn't have any intention to kill for trespassing..aubrey didnt die because he was confronted by the two men. he dies because he attack a man holding a loaded weapon and died as a result of his actions. Not Guilty conviction is the only result here.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    He walked through an unsecured residential site as did numerous others who just happened to be white , there was tools apparently stolen by contractors working on the site or friends of ,

    But only one person who chased by armed men in pickup trucks ,he was attacked by them ,

    What should he have done lay on the ground for the lads to execute him ,

    Langley , Virginia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭ $hifty


    the two men who confronted him didn't have any intention to kill for trespassing..aubrey did die because he was confronted by the two men

    Listen to yourself. You contradicted yourself in the very next sentence.

    Question: if they didn't intend to kill anyone, why round up the boys with the rifles and start hunting him through the neighbourhood?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭ Yellow_Fern


    This case wont garner much controversary as it is much more clear cut illegal killing than say Rittenhouse. Well the Rittenhouse case was not controversial for people who considered the evidence but you get my drift.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭ Nozebleed


    first off,arbery wasn't jogging..that's pretty obvious. he wasn't hunted down either. he was confronted by concerned citizens who knew he was up to no good. when confronted aubrey decided he'd try take the forearm from the concerned citizen and during this confrontation he was shot and killed. only in fantasy land would anyone think this is murder. its self defence. i can only see a not guilty verdict coming from the jury and rightly so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    The evidence says otherwise ,

    He never took anything from the site other ,there is no evidence he was up to no good , several vehicles with armed men chased him down the road ,he was told if he didn't stop they would blow his head off ,they tried to hit him with a pickup truck more than once ,

    He was hunted and killed for no reason other than walking through an unsecured site in a white neighborhood , other people were filmed on this site and none of them were hunted down and shot ,they just happened to be white

    Langley , Virginia



  • Registered Users Posts: 363 ✭✭ maik3n


    As evidenced by the post after yours, things are anything but clear cut for some here. 😥

    Heck, if you look over the previous thread, you can find umpteen examples of people making excuses for the 3 assailants.

    The only possible saving grace here could be the fact that the videographer William Bryan tried to make a plea deal with the prosecutors, which was soundly rejected. Mind you, even with that, America does love some vigilante justice at times.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agree with others pointing out that there is much less nuance with this case than there was w/ Rittenhouse. The bang of racism off the three defendants is overwhelming. This case also gave rise to the vile 'jogger' slang as a reference to anyone with black skin. Rotten from beginning to end. Hope they get the book thrown at them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Based on Arberrys previous encounters with the law, i would arm myself before confronting him. With the amount of criminals with guns in the us would be armed if confronting or trying to aprehend any suspicious character



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    But yet the unarmed person got shot 3 times with a shotgun ,he was dead after the first shot ,

    Langley , Virginia



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exactly. If you are armed and the other isn't you are in a perfect position to boss them around without actually having to shoot them... get them to lie on the ground etc.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The correct course for the 3 lads was to just let him go. Very little sympathy for them but from watching the vid it wad not a simple as 3 lads chasing him down and executing him. They had ample opportunity to gun him deon during tje chase but only shot when he lunged towards the gun. And there was a struggle. Manslaughter would be correct verdict for the shooter. The other two.. i dont know



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭ $hifty


    Riddle me this, Batman, how and where would you obtain the knowledge of someone's criminal history as they jog past your front window at suppertime before confronting him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    They are not cops ,they have zero authority to stop people and force anyone to lay on the ground ,or anything because they are armed

    Langley , Virginia



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling



    Langley , Virginia



  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭ The Quintessence Model


    Unlike the Kyle R case, this one strikes me as murder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,268 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling


    It's murder ,

    It was a good old fashioned lynching nothing more

    Langley , Virginia



  • Posts: 18,752 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Perhaps if they were in possession of some knowledge of this man's previous convictions(however they knew that), that they were so afraid of him because of that information that they had to arm themselves, I would suggest that they probably shouldn't have gone anywhere near him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭ Pa ElGrande


    The men on trial had no legal justification to use force against Mr. Arbery, much less lethal force. This case is over, the only question is what the prison sentence will be.



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