Penalty points should be permanent and linked to ones PPS number instead of driver number

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178190#Comment_118178190

How would paying motor emissions tax go toward the upkeep of the road??

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118182279#Comment_118182279

well, thank god you're not in charge of those rules with ideas like this.

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118183060#Comment_118183060

That’s what happens when cyclists start it and wish harsh penalties on motorists .

My comment on the bus was clearly a joke btw

theres posts going on further down from cyclists about motorists breaking rules also…ffs they are the biggest breakers of rules … very rare to see cyclists stop at red lights in this country….. constantly disregarding pedestrian crossings …. Passing pedestrians many times in a fast unsafe manner …. Everyone needs to walk/cycle/drive in a safe manner … penalties against all road users are needed… not just one cohort .

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185870#Comment_118185870

I never said anything about “motor emissions” tax. That just sounds like more twisted green makey uppey shitetalk

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185900#Comment_118185900

As a non-driver I am fascinated by this. Is it that the rules are too difficult to follow? Impractical? Unenforced?

I am genuinely curious and not having a pop.

maestroamado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178158#Comment_118178158

I think when talking rubbish best avoided... adios....

JayRoc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185950#Comment_118185950

"Road tax" doesn't exist in Ireland. You as a motorist pay motor tax based on your vehicle's emissions, don't you?

And it isn't ringfenced for upkeep of the roads, is it?

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185978#Comment_118185978

so you agree it’s not called motor emissions tax? That’s good, glad that’s cleared up. In regards to what it’s used for… fuk all like most of our tax I’d say… squandered to legal eagles and lavish lifestyles for the politicians .

boardlady

I think this might be the third anti-drivers post from this poster in a short time. OP, your anger towards other drivers far outweighs your ability to actually effect any change. I suggest you take a more zen-like approach to other road users.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118185954#Comment_118185954

I don't drive either.

So I'll explain the OPs great idea in another way that may be easier to understand the absurdity.

So say I decided one day to go smash up someone's gaff and get arrested and charged, I got to court and the judge says see you, 6 month suspended sentence.

now, as you probably are aware, that means basically if I am to be arrested and charged with another offence within that 6 months I will serve the sentence.

However, what the OP suggests is that the suspended sentence in this case, will never expire. the only way I can have it do so is by committing a crime and serving 6 months in prison.

And sure you could argue "don't commit a crime", but that's just generally good advice rather than a justification for an insane set of rules on how suspended sentences (or penalty points) should work.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118183342#Comment_118183342

The issue is enforcement. This propose change wouldn't particularly help that.

Andrewf20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058218309/penalty-points-should-be-permanent-and-linked-to-ones-pps-number-instead-of-driver-number

I think your idea is too draconian. Its already fairly strict as it is - get caught 4 times in 3 years and you are off the road & it could be (at times) doing 95km/h in an 80 zone at 5am with no traffic on the road. For all of the people that I know who have penalty points (maybe 20-30) I dont think any of them have actually been involved on a road traffic accident.

As for taxing cyclist - this would be a disaster of an idea if we want to get people out of their cars and onto bikes to curb emissions.

magicbastarder

Its already fairly strict as it is - get caught 4 times in 3 years and you are off the road

at the time this article was written, and at the end of 2018, the number of drivers on 12 points was around 800. i wouldn't think that's fairly strict (though obviously there's an argument on the distinction between the rules being strict and enforcement being strict, but it doesn't matter a whit how strict the rules are if they're not enforced)

https://www.thejournal.ie/county-breakdown-penalty-points-ireland-2020-5276163-Dec2020/

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178158#Comment_118178158

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178186#Comment_118178186

I'm going to guess that there's a bicycle involved somewhere. Whenever I see some absurd demonisation of Irish motorists out of all proportion to reality along with some "great idea" for some ridiculously draconian, excessive, stupid, globally unprecedented, disproportionate crackdown on those uniquely horrible Irish motorists, it's usually a cyclist. I've seen so many threads like this, including threads that weren't even about motorists when started but were subsequently hijacked by cyclists.

It's also quite laughable to see cyclists demanding that excessive enforcement and punishments be directed against other groups given the extreme regularity of two-wheeled lawbreakers riding on footpaths and going through red lights, often forcing pedestrians crossing on a green-man to "negotiate" with the cyclist. If cyclists are looking to point fingers at "lawbreakers" they should look closer to home, in many cases, the mirror.

As to your comment about road tax, most forms of road tax across the world, including Ireland's motor tax, are levied exclusively against motorists. I've no issue with that, but I find it bizarre how often cyclists are on here ranting about how "motorists don't pay road tax" when by dictionary definition, Ireland's motor tax regime is a form of road tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_tax#Ireland

Podge_irl

Excessive enforcement 🙄

The enforcement of road traffic laws is almost non-existent. It would need to increase about 20 fold before it even came close to moderate.

Duckjob

The penalty points system is inherently fair at its core IMO.

2 points... "Oh crap, I strayed over the limit a bit, I need to watch that"

4 points - "Damn, I'd better behave myself from now on"

6 points - "Damn, I'm REALLY REALLY need to be on my best behavior from now on"

8 points - "I'm not learning what and I don't deserve too many more chances"

10 points - "I'm really not learning and I don't deserve any more chances"

12 points - "BOOM..... As long as I refuse to learn my lesson I'm a danger to others, so I'm off the road."

I don't think points should be permanent as it gives people a chance to mend their ways at any point before they hit 12 points and work their way back to a clean licence though diligent good behavior.

On the other hand, I think that the points system should be reserved for minor offences and anyone caught driving with blatant disregard to the safety of those around them. (eg. driving 80kph through a 30kph zone), or for example deliberately endangering/threatening other road users should be liable to an immediate ban by a judge.

Excuses such as the need of a car for work and other such rubbish should be discredited completely and solicitors banned from bringing them to court.

Hilly Bill

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178158#Comment_118178158

To be fair, you did ask what we thought of it and he told you what he thought,. I agree with the poster, it's a non runner for me. It's a bit extreme.