Penalty points should be permanent and linked to ones PPS number instead of driver number

Jeremy Sproket

Here's a novel idea.

People driving in Ireland from other EU countries are de facto immune from driving bans by virtue of having another EU licence which is valid in Ireland but incompatible with ours to receive penalty points. If points were linked to one's PPS number instead of driver number, then Poles, Danes, Germans, Swedes .... etc. living here and driving on their licences would face the same consequences for their recidivism.

Furthermore, when a person receives penalty points, they should remain permanently on the licence until they accumulate their 12th point and get banned for 6 months, after which the points will reset. I won't say they have to resit a test afterwards, that'd be too draconian.

What do you think of this idea?

We also need further enforcement of shítty behavior at junctions, people not yielding, breaking stop signs, yellow boxes. Average speed cameras should be slowly implemented on every stretch of road.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058218309/penalty-points-should-be-permanent-and-linked-to-ones-pps-number-instead-of-driver-number

Pure and utter nonsense

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178143#Comment_118178143

Why? Have you nothing more to add that to slate my post without constructively criticising points therein?

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058218309/penalty-points-should-be-permanent-and-linked-to-ones-pps-number-instead-of-driver-number

Totally disagree … but I do have another suggestion… that reg no/I’d no’s are put on bicycles and cyclists are held accountable for their actions, with penalty points applied to them for each time they break lights, don’t stop at pedestrian crossings for pedestrians … etc … and then when they reach their 12th point , they are fuct under a bus and got rid of … ps I will delightfully apply for that bus job 👍😁

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178180#Comment_118178180

Yawn.. I suppose they should pay road tax (sic) too?

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178186#Comment_118178186

Yes, of course they should contribute towards the upkeep of the roads they are using . They should also have mandatory lessons before being allowed out on road

Wrong person

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178190#Comment_118178190

Everyone, cyclists included, contribute towards the upkeep of the roads through general taxation.

Why should cyclists have to pay road tax (sic) that? It doesn't exist.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178158#Comment_118178158

A big fat yawn

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178229#Comment_118178229

Ah right, good lad. I can see you're not here for a proper discussion. Cheerio.

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178236#Comment_118178236

Ah i see , you dont like anyone disagreeing with your nonsense post , cheerio

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178226#Comment_118178226

Shur why am I pay road tax for using the same road as a girl on a bicycle uses… I’ll stop paying taxes so … shur they can make up for it by increasing your general taxation

Cookiemunster

Nobody pays road tax. There's no such thing. You pay motor tax relating to the size/emissions of your engine.

The OPs suggestion is nonsense though.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058218309/penalty-points-should-be-permanent-and-linked-to-ones-pps-number-instead-of-driver-number

Can’t imagine who someone did not think of this before…. Ah wait, they did and it is being worked on in the EU right now, in fact a few parts are even implemented, for instance the bit that makes all those licenses you think foreigners have invalid for a start!

The only place this is a novel idea is in your head.

even if they were linked to PPSN, if someone from Europe is not living here more or less full time, they are not likely to have a PPSN anyway..

Esel

What do they do in Sweden?

redsheeps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178158#Comment_118178158

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178186#Comment_118178186

Pot, this is the kettle calling.

jim o doom

So a person could accumulate points over many years for minor speeding offences and then lose the licence for 6 months.. and they may really need their vehicle, their livelihood could be dependant on it, they may need to transport kids, sick family members, all the reasons a licence is needed.

This idea is beyond stupid. It doesn't allow for people to make mistakes and then behave well for extended time frames.

0/10 for your idea. People are not infallible.

jim o doom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178158#Comment_118178158

Also - adding "therein" to the end of a sentence does not make you seem more intelligent, it has the opposite effect.

DarkJager21

I have some better ideas, particularly for cyclists.

1) Bicycle free roads - roads where the speed limit is 80KPH and that don't have the 1m or whatever it is to safely pass cyclists, simply won't be open to cycle traffic.

2) Mandatory rules of the road license/testing of some sort - If you are on a bicycle without this, your bike will be impounded and destroyed.

3) No more "abreast" cycling on country roads - anything outside of single file is fair game to drive straight through.

4) Cyclist catchers at red lights - if a bicycle decides to travel through a red light, a large spike will shoot out of the ground and impale the bicycle and rider until they turn green again.

All those points sound about as logical as your idea OP, what do you think?

SteM

Bicycle free roads exist already, they're called motorways :)

It’s posts like this (OP) that make this forum redundant.

Podge_irl

I don't think permanent penalty points is a good idea. Though its not as bad as murderous psychopaths visualizing all the ways they would like to kill other road users.

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118178250#Comment_118178250

WHERE did I say (or imply) I have an issue with people disagreeing with me?

You didn't exactly eloquently voice your disagreement, you just said "you bad .. me good oohhoo ohohhh" .... not exactly a verbose comment.

I await your reply 🤡

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118180326#Comment_118180326

Permanent only in the sense that they'll last ad infinitum until the person accumulates their 12th point, then they'll be off the road for 6 months to a year. Then the clock resets.

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118180211#Comment_118180211

If your licence means that much to you then obey the rules of the road...... simple.

magicbastarder

well, a thread about penalty points about motorists only took four posts for someone to make it about cyclists.

motorists sure love to fantasise about causing GBH to other road users. very reassuring.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118182274#Comment_118182274

You don't even keep criminal convictions for life and you want to have penalty points for life. FFS.

magicbastarder

to be fair, their suggestion was not penalty points for life, per se, but that they didn't expire and clear till you reach 12 points, at which point they reset.

not saying it's a good (or bad) idea, just that their explanation in the first post was more detailed than the thread title suggested.

Jeremy Sproket

There seems to be little or no deterrent. People can essentially speed and drive carelessly with gay abandon.

What are the potential consequences of misusing the bus lane? None, pretty much.

The chances of being seen by a Garda are slim, and even if you are they may not even pull you over for it. I've personally seen cars drive up the bus lane in clear sight of Gardaí who do nothing. There's no points either, just an €80 fine. Even if you get caught twice a year, (which is unlikely) you can essentially have an "express lane" for less than the cost of the so-called "road tax".

Buffman

Even murderers given a mandatory 'life' sentence can get released eventually in this country, but you want a road traffic offence to hang over somebody for the rest of their life OP. That wouldn't be justice IMO.