Mica redress levy - Nope, Nope and Nope

runawaybishop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153640#Comment_118153640

Its not a 'developers' buildings, its anyone who used blocks made in certain quarries, and there are a number of them. It has nothing to do with buying cheap blocks. The blocks contain too much mica/pyrite which then break down over time and exposure. Poor regulation meant blocks were not tested for mica/pyrite content, this has since been remedied.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155271#Comment_118155271

It should be done, anyway, to send a message. No way should that company be left standing, after all this.

runawaybishop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155332#Comment_118155332

afaik they have folded, and reopened under another name.

Parachutes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154935#Comment_118154935

I don’t live in Dublin but even still, when I go to Dublin I still benefit from the trams in our capital city. Stupid analogy.

enricoh

The current minister who's brief covers asylum seekers proposes that all asylum seekers get keys to their own pad within 4 months of arriving here. There is 8000 asylum seekers in the system at the minute, they can apply to bring their family over once they get the green light to stay here.

Yet they haven't the money to replace the houses of people who work n pay their own way in life and get caught innocently on block defects. An absolute scam of the highest order.

SupplyandDemandZone

Sorry it hasn't worked out for the home owners but that's life im afraid. It's not my fault so why should i pay?

DullSpark

A cap of €400,000 seems a bit saucy. Apart from the actual structure you would think a lot of things could be re used e.g. kitchens, bathrooms, doors, sockets, switches, and the land that the house is on.

To be fair there are some cowboys up in that North West, you can be sure they'll feel entitled to better higher spec houses due to all the pain and suffering they've endured too

The state didn’t, the developers did.

the entire industry needs an insurance agency.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155001#Comment_118155001

I have a feeling there’s a lot of criminality close to that sector.

landofthetree

Its amazing how much the scumbag builders and the construction industry have cost the taxpayers.

Cowboys the lot of them.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155583#Comment_118155583

Entire houses need knocked - if you must reuse windows/doors/kitchens etc, then you need to carefully remove and pay for storage

Foundations may need lifted & relaid depending on state of them - family needs put up somewhere for the duration (caravan most likely)

Keep in mind most of these people are still paying mortgages for houses that are unsellable and worthless

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155596#Comment_118155596

There really is. CRH in particular had a very dodgy rise to power both here and abroad.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Oh, you'll pay. You'll all pay.* One way the other.

There should be some ceveat attached to this, like liquidation and prosecution of firms who are found to have knowlingly caused this and stricter laws for the future - THAT'S where the scandal is: TDs not holding people accountable and even helping them evade responsibilities (but you'll only go and vote them back in, so you kind of pay for that, too. Only this time by choice.)

*I don't live in Ireialnd, so won't pay :)

runawaybishop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155583#Comment_118155583

You arent that far off the mark, building regs have changed since those houses were built so they will have to be built to current code.

SnazzyPig

This seems to be about appeasing the TDs that had constituents affected by this regulatory failure.

So, 3.2 billion to prop up the current coalition.

Makes perfect sense.

Losty Dublin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155331#Comment_118155331

If the materials were shoddy and not up to spec then the supplier should be at fault.

If the materials were not the right spec for the job required then those architects or engineers who said to use them should be at fault.

If the materials were not used right on the building site then the builder should be at fault.

The above should be culpable between themselves, not the taxpayer.

enricoh

Possibly apart from 2007 I couldn't think of a worse time than now for building a house. A neighbour moved into his new build last year in March. He had the builder out this summer for something small and the builder said it'd be e100k extra for the same house now. The house cost around the 300k mark.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155479#Comment_118155479

so fcuk'em!

Borzoi

Mrs B has a friend, who's father lives in an affected house. The house in 19 years old. So now they want it rebuilt as new. Get the f#@k out. There needs to be a discount based on the house age as well

323

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154935#Comment_118154935

Aye, but the construction and insurance sectors are untouchable in Ireland.

Sure lots of Councilors & TD's were involved with the construction industry, brown envelopes everywhere to smooth things over around the time most of these problem buildings were built in Dublin as well as the NW & elsewhere.

Buck stops with government for lack of proper standards plus the lack of enforcement of those standards that were in place.

We'll end up paying, bitch a bit and accept it as always. But look in the bright side, its small change compared to what was given to the banks to pay off unsecured bondholders and the money stays in the country.

_Brian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058217550/mica-redress-levy-nope-nope-and-nope

If it’s brought in you will have no choice.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156032#Comment_118156032

Sure didn’t we pay Sisk to fix up the shoddy schools that Western Building Systems built and then gave the contract for building new schools to, the very same, Western Building Systems.

Mousie32

lapua20grain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155824#Comment_118155824

The funny thing is that even if they get the funding they will probably vote for SF and not government parties, Eoin O'Brion is hanging out of the main protestors and getting plaudits from them even though SF haven't come out with any solid plan on how to fund it.

namloc1980

Dip into the taxpayers pockets again. We're just the magic money tree for the government to use to solve all their problems. Insurance companies and the people responsible can walk away while the taxpayer has to dig deep again. It's exasperating.

Why are we paying for people to build 2,000+ sq.ft. houses? This should be limited to a reasonable house size of say 1,300 sq.ft. and if the owner wants a bigger house then they pay the extra themselves.

Sleepy

It should be a levy on the profits of any business engaged in property development.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155224#Comment_118155224

I completely agree on the pre-2014, which is why I specified that exactly. The idea of the system is also to inspect the blocks, it was brought in after the pyrite scandal which would necessitate block testing.

Swaine

Most of them driving around in UK reg cars for the cheapness but want the Irish taxpayer to build them a brand spanking new house.

Civil matter so let them go be fcuked.

Furze99

There ARE alternative ways to deal with this. One would be to offer zero interest loans to householders that would be repayable going forward or realised by sale eventually as in Fair Deal scheme. People would then only borrow the minimum needed to make their houses safe. That would be fair and entirely manageable. Second would be to build estates of ‘grant sized’ houses and offer these to people where they say their houses must be demolished. Again that would control costs. But a Fair Deal type loan would be the best overall in terms of meeting needs and limiting costs to rest of us.

VillageIdiot71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156817#Comment_118156817

Why? Its likely many, many of these homes would be self-builds. No developer involved.