More housing objections by the opposition and Boyd Barrett.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118150155#Comment_118150155

Yes, but it only one part of the issue. I live very near some new student accommodation close to one of the major universities, and I welcome it, but it hasn't actually done much to alleviate the issues in the area for availability of housing stock for couples, families etc.

The student accommodation is almost exclusively far too expensive too, and the rules and planning requirements for it are not quite as strict as they are for permanent dwelling.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151192#Comment_118151192

Then build even more of it.

Unless the law of supply and demand have been completely destroyed, then consistent and rampant building is going to eventually bring down prices. Objecting to every single development because they individually won't drop prices is utterly absurd.

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151192#Comment_118151192

The majority of purpose built student accommodation is focused around the colleges/universities themselves, but the demand from students isn't focused to such confined areas and they try to get something anywhere.

Extra X places say around UCD isn't going to reduce demand by the same amount in that local area, as the majority of the students would have gotten whatever they could across the city. Smaller cities and towns it'd all be more localized.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151171#Comment_118151171

Also when the tax payer is used to meet any price they don't need to lower it.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151313#Comment_118151313

There's student accomodation across the city not being used and planning being sought to change use for short lettings. IT's not being used, because the prices being looked for are astronomical for what they are. A house share is expensive, but for a lot it's still a hell of a lot cheaper than these purpose built accomodation, that are not entirely fit for the purpose they purport to serve.

I'm not against building, im against building for the sake of it, to what appear to be the lowest standards.

There's a demand for single bed units, but even if that's filled, it's not freeing up enough units for those who don't want to live in standard 2 bed apartments that have been the go to design for the last 20 years. There has to be more imagination in the design of our apartment buildings so they are attractive to anyone to live in.

Podge_irl

If there is student accommodation being left vacant across the city it will eventually be let out at cheaper rates. It may not happen overnight, but it is also somewhat inevitable.

The objections also don't focus on the nature of the development which I can see the argument for at least. Objections based on cost and size while you are simultaneously complaining about the housing crisis and lack of building are the height of hypocrisy and those espousing them should be laughed out of it.

elperello

Unfortunately due to poor overall planning decisions like this one are fought out one by one.

Proper urban planning would ensure that we build the right developments in the right place.

PopePalpatine

Can we just fence off a little patch of the inner city for the NIMBYs, so that they can have their perfectly-preserved and architecturally pureblooded paradise to act as a backdrop for period dramas, while the rest of us get on with our lives?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151539#Comment_118151539

Not fit for purpose, why build them?

We've had generations of poor decisions based on people abusing a housing shortage to suit themselves.

It's not like we all woke up this morning and discovered a problem in housing and need to suddenly rush to build whatever.

Finty Lemon

A middle-class windbag objecting to a building project near his plush home. Why is this news?

retalivity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151539#Comment_118151539

No it wont, instead it will be commandeered by the local authority and uses to house homeless and/or people on the housing list. This has already happened with DCC and a new unit on Cork st.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151192#Comment_118151192

If students move out of accommodation to move into PBSA, what happens the houses they leave?

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155816#Comment_118155816

But loads of them are not moving out, as this accomodation, only has being newer going for it. It's often further from colleges, you don't have a choice in who you're living with, more expensive and your locked in. The big thing though, is the expense. They are just for the most part, too expensive and lots of the new ones are going mostly unused or well under capacity.

And again. Student accomodation, is not as subject to some of the stricter planning that permanent dwelling is. That's a serious issue.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151539#Comment_118151539

They're seeking planning permission to turn some of them in to short term lets as in Airbnb or co-living spaces. The prices were set so ludicrously high in some, that didn't have any remotely specially managed services that you might expect in student accomodation, that you'd nearly believe that this was the plan anyway.

Easier to get planning for student acocm, then say, oh it's not wanted, can we do this instead and get it in by the back door under less regs and scrutiny.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156120#Comment_118156120

Yep, rent will be ludicrously expensive for students and hardly any will get an apartment in it; the owners will go to the council looking for permission to rent out to tourists, arguing it’s not economical to charge less and the alternative is they go bust and the building sits mothballed for years.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118154038#Comment_118154038

If by “commandeered by the local authority” you mean that the landlords sought and received permission from the Councils to rent out apartments to tourists, despite the planning being for student accommodation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156308#Comment_118156308

But we did that and it didn’t reduce rents. The student accommodation was left empty rather than lower rents and the landlords sought permission to change use.

Bit cynical

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118147188#Comment_118147188

"A local campaign group, Stop Holy Cross College, said the development of rental-only apartments could lead to rent and house price inflation, lower living standards and “a return to absentee landlords”.

Very unlikely, imo, that increase in supply would lead to increases in rent.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156391#Comment_118156391

even if the landlord goes bankrupt it doesn’t guarantee it will be available as low cost student accommodation. There are enormous funds buying up property who might well buy the asset and sit on it for years.

Bit cynical

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118156200#Comment_118156200

One of the problems is that councils are dumb enough to believe this kind of thing.

Finty Lemon

https://youtu.be/hNDgcjVGHIw

sound familiar RBB and MLM?

funkyzeit100

A report from 2019 states that 79% of the people in these types of purpose built accommodation are not from here.

They are built with the single intention to extract maximum rent, and in no way will they lower prices for Irish people. But they will take up space.

There is no supply problem in this country, there is a demand problem.

funkyzeit100

"Orla heggarty, assistant professor of architecture, planning and policy in UCD, says such developments have the further effect of raising land values and making forms of lower yield investment in the same areas unviable."

So these developments not only accommodate 79% non-irish people, not only charge extortionate prices, they also increase house prices for Irish people.

But there is such a strictly maintained narrative around housing, that all problems are because they aren't being allowed build more housing, means that people are advocating for Christmas like turkeys. Literally, people are fighting for policies that impoverish themselves.

You just couldn't make it up.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118155884#Comment_118155884

Is it affordable?

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118162155#Comment_118162155

Well yes. I'm sure it's affordable to someone.

What a stupid question.

Is a tesla affordable?

Am I right in thinking that when you're applying for planning you have to prove theres a need for accomodation in the area but that you don't need to prove that theres a need at a certain price point?

So if I proposed build to rent apartments in an area with demand for apartments the planning permission would be granted without me having to say that I planned to set the rent at 5k a month for a 1 bed or do an bord pleanala take the pricing into account?

smurgen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118163343#Comment_118163343

What a stupid reply. A Tesla is ax luxury item.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118163470#Comment_118163470

A tesla is a more expensive car.

Like there is more expensive houses and apartments.

People still end up buying and living in them.

In the end they are affordable, not to all but to some.

Kind of how everything works in life.

funkyzeit100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118163961#Comment_118163961

Quite literally a couple of posts back I spelled out how this type of accommodation factually raises prices.

79% of the people who live in these things are non-irish, and, to quote,

"Orla heggarty, assistant professor of architecture, planning and policy in UCD, says such developments have the further effect of raising land values and making forms of lower yield investment in the same areas unviable"

These things RAISE PRICES FOR ALL, it's fools gold. Fake news. Lies. That's why prices keep going up, year in and year out, no matter what they build.

What part of this bs narrative don't you get?

funkyzeit100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118164048#Comment_118164048

So when you're faced with incontrovertible facts of the matter, you immediately go to the """"racist"""" screaming.

I don't know who you are, or care, but your (lack of) thought process is precisely why the people of this country are getting robbed blind.

Literally, and I do mean literally, some people are advocating against their own interests and diminishing the quality of their lives and those around them because they are brainwashed. There's simply no other reasonable explanation to ignore facts and attempt to bury them from sight.

Facts are facts.

These developments raise prices for everyone, and are of severely limited benefit to people here at best. Facts, backed up with statistics and expert insight.

Facts.