https://www.thejournal.ie/bakers-corner-dun-laoghaire-student-accommodation-5591325-Nov2021/
I don't know anymore.
When will these parties screaming for more housing stop objecting to more housing???
The majority of purpose built student accommodation is focused around the colleges/universities themselves, but the demand from students isn't focused to such confined areas and they try to get something anywhere.
Extra X places say around UCD isn't going to reduce demand by the same amount in that local area, as the majority of the students would have gotten whatever they could across the city. Smaller cities and towns it'd all be more localized.
Also when the tax payer is used to meet any price they don't need to lower it.
If there is student accommodation being left vacant across the city it will eventually be let out at cheaper rates. It may not happen overnight, but it is also somewhat inevitable.
The objections also don't focus on the nature of the development which I can see the argument for at least. Objections based on cost and size while you are simultaneously complaining about the housing crisis and lack of building are the height of hypocrisy and those espousing them should be laughed out of it.
Unfortunately due to poor overall planning decisions like this one are fought out one by one.
Proper urban planning would ensure that we build the right developments in the right place.
Can we just fence off a little patch of the inner city for the NIMBYs, so that they can have their perfectly-preserved and architecturally pureblooded paradise to act as a backdrop for period dramas, while the rest of us get on with our lives?
Not fit for purpose, why build them?
We've had generations of poor decisions based on people abusing a housing shortage to suit themselves.
It's not like we all woke up this morning and discovered a problem in housing and need to suddenly rush to build whatever.
A middle-class windbag objecting to a building project near his plush home. Why is this news?
No it wont, instead it will be commandeered by the local authority and uses to house homeless and/or people on the housing list. This has already happened with DCC and a new unit on Cork st.
If students move out of accommodation to move into PBSA, what happens the houses they leave?
Yep, rent will be ludicrously expensive for students and hardly any will get an apartment in it; the owners will go to the council looking for permission to rent out to tourists, arguing it’s not economical to charge less and the alternative is they go bust and the building sits mothballed for years.
If by “commandeered by the local authority” you mean that the landlords sought and received permission from the Councils to rent out apartments to tourists, despite the planning being for student accommodation.
But we did that and it didn’t reduce rents. The student accommodation was left empty rather than lower rents and the landlords sought permission to change use.
"A local campaign group, Stop Holy Cross College, said the development of rental-only apartments could lead to rent and house price inflation, lower living standards and “a return to absentee landlords”.
Very unlikely, imo, that increase in supply would lead to increases in rent.
even if the landlord goes bankrupt it doesn’t guarantee it will be available as low cost student accommodation. There are enormous funds buying up property who might well buy the asset and sit on it for years.
One of the problems is that councils are dumb enough to believe this kind of thing.
sound familiar RBB and MLM?
A report from 2019 states that 79% of the people in these types of purpose built accommodation are not from here.
They are built with the single intention to extract maximum rent, and in no way will they lower prices for Irish people. But they will take up space.
There is no supply problem in this country, there is a demand problem.
"Orla heggarty, assistant professor of architecture, planning and policy in UCD, says such developments have the further effect of raising land values and making forms of lower yield investment in the same areas unviable."
So these developments not only accommodate 79% non-irish people, not only charge extortionate prices, they also increase house prices for Irish people.
But there is such a strictly maintained narrative around housing, that all problems are because they aren't being allowed build more housing, means that people are advocating for Christmas like turkeys. Literally, people are fighting for policies that impoverish themselves.
You just couldn't make it up.
Is it affordable?
Well yes. I'm sure it's affordable to someone.
What a stupid question.
Is a tesla affordable?
Am I right in thinking that when you're applying for planning you have to prove theres a need for accomodation in the area but that you don't need to prove that theres a need at a certain price point?
So if I proposed build to rent apartments in an area with demand for apartments the planning permission would be granted without me having to say that I planned to set the rent at 5k a month for a 1 bed or do an bord pleanala take the pricing into account?
What a stupid reply. A Tesla is ax luxury item.
A tesla is a more expensive car.
Like there is more expensive houses and apartments.
People still end up buying and living in them.
In the end they are affordable, not to all but to some.
Kind of how everything works in life.
Quite literally a couple of posts back I spelled out how this type of accommodation factually raises prices.
79% of the people who live in these things are non-irish, and, to quote,
"Orla heggarty, assistant professor of architecture, planning and policy in UCD, says such developments have the further effect of raising land values and making forms of lower yield investment in the same areas unviable"
These things RAISE PRICES FOR ALL, it's fools gold. Fake news. Lies. That's why prices keep going up, year in and year out, no matter what they build.
What part of this bs narrative don't you get?
So when you're faced with incontrovertible facts of the matter, you immediately go to the """"racist"""" screaming.
I don't know who you are, or care, but your (lack of) thought process is precisely why the people of this country are getting robbed blind.
Literally, and I do mean literally, some people are advocating against their own interests and diminishing the quality of their lives and those around them because they are brainwashed. There's simply no other reasonable explanation to ignore facts and attempt to bury them from sight.
Facts are facts.
These developments raise prices for everyone, and are of severely limited benefit to people here at best. Facts, backed up with statistics and expert insight.
Facts.
It's literally self-harming to object to new housing...
Housing that will push up prices for you,
Housing that likely won't accommodate you,
Really? You think THATS self-harming? Lol
You are completely and utterly ignoring the facts of the matter and replacing them with your imagination. And I very much doubt they are your own thoughts, they have been implanted.
Again, and again, and again...79% of the people housed in these things are non-irish, and it is the expert opinion that they ALSO raise prices for everyone else.
It is yet another example of why accommodation costs just keep going up and up and up. You've all been brainwashed into cheering on your own demise.
Congratulations.
You don't understand the concept.
Affordable housing relates to the average working person/family.
Yeah Bono's mansion was affordable to him. Very clever.
The facts are that driving off cliffs will kill you.
"Jesus, it's like people are dense!" He says, as he drives off a cliff.
What don't you understand? What is your major malfunction?
79% of that housing is not for Irish people, all the evidence tells you that it RAISES PRICES FOR EVERYONE.
You have some bloody cheek to be calling others dense!
You're going to have to be brought in for de-programming, I'm afraid. Like many.
The facts are the facts. If you ignore them, they are still the facts.
They are making fools of people like you, they have convinced you to such an extent that you literally can't believe reality any more. No, "supply" isn't the problem, and that's evidenced by the increasing prices every single damned year.
They're lying to you. Stop being a mug for them, while dragging everyone else down too.
If the price is being met prices won't lower.
When 'we over built' coincided with the country going bankrupt and investment drying up. Very much related. In part why FF/FG allowed us get raped by vulture and cuckoo funds.
Surely the more apartments or houses built in this country the better?
Not everyone might be able to afford certain builds, but increasing the overall number has to be a good thing?
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