Anti-British Xenophobia and Hatred in Ireland

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118008772#Comment_118008772

Which is classic 'look over there'.

Like some pervert saying 'you were going to get raped anyway, might as well be thankful I'm a nicer one than that one over there'.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118007472#Comment_118007472

It rather puts paid to your fanciful notion that Brits don't care what others think of them. You obviously care a great deal what others think of you.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118007210#Comment_118007210

Yeah, the UK were asked by a journalist would they allow early repayment, and gave an answer. Reading into that that they were also asked by the Irish government and that Paschal is telling lies is a hilarious interpretation.

Your neck is harder than diamonds.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118011984#Comment_118011984

UK are in the habit of issuing reports as a response to 'journalists'?

I think you are a bit under researched on this one blanch.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118010181#Comment_118010181

Pretty much every country cares what others think of them, with the odd exception like the USA or China as they have bigger fish to fry.

Kaybaykwah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012056#Comment_118012056

Catfish most likely.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012056#Comment_118012056

The hateful elements of any country 'don't care what others think of them'. Imperial British never did, those who wreck their way around the world following the English soccer team don't, the bigoted don't.

Why Irish people are objecting to criticism of these types and that kind of political behaviour defeats me.

hawley

There was a story in the media this week; a Protestant teenaged boy, who lived in the border counties of the Republic, was bullied until he committed suicide. He was told to go back up North and was called a Black Protestant b*****d. This is where we're going with this unleashing of bile against the Unionists and British politicians. It has had a corrosive effect on society.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066273#Comment_118066273

Well firstly if you had read about the poor lad you would know he was neither Protestant nor from the north.

Secondly again if you had read the article there has unfortunately been a spate of young suicides in that area recently so it seems likely there's a bad group of kids targeting and bullying other kids for any reason they come up with rather than it having anything to do with the topic of this thread.

Thirdly shame on you for simply reading a headline about a tragedy like this and trying to misrepresent it to suit your own agenda.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066273#Comment_118066273

Catholics have bullied protestant's and vice versa for decades Hawley. Stop with the victimhood just because Unionism is shipping some criticism and self inflicting wounds on itself.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066340#Comment_118066340

I said in my post that he was from the Republic. He was brought up partly in the Protestant faith.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066352#Comment_118066352

If as the comment suggested he was coloured, I think you need look no further for your cause - racial prejudice pure and simple.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066421#Comment_118066421

It was a racist attack, although some people won't want it labelled as that. They tried to denounce his heritage and shoved his face into a dirty toilet bowl. Sinn Fein and Michael D Higgins are enabling this type of behavior by constantly criticizing Unionists and Britain.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118068437#Comment_118068437

Bollox, racism is racism. Its endemic in the North and the South and there have been some particularly nasty examples of it in deeply Unionist areas. It has nothing to do with Higgins or SF and to try to blame them for the actions of nasty racists is pathetic.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117998217#Comment_117998217

I don't think anyone thinks the IRA are a grand bunch of lads. We (the Irish) can look down our noses at the IRA however England doesn't have a leg to stand on; if one takes something through force of arms/tyranny, ya can't legitimately be upset if someone trying to reclaim what ya took using force of arms/tyranny.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118068499#Comment_118068499

Racism is racism. 100% agree.

However, poll after poll has shown that the more anti-immigrant and nationalist elements in Irish society are attracted to Sinn Fein. Just look at the latest polls for proof of this.

Yet, people honestly believe and tell themselves there is not anti - British Xenophobia in Ireland. The same people us telling us that there is nothing to worry about are the same people defending SF to the hilt and have tricolours painted next to their Twitter avatar.

Shoog

I have encountered a fair few racists in Ireland and without an exception they have all been drawn from the hard right of Irish politics.

hawley

“One of the things he couldn’t understand is while they were kicking him they would say to him, ‘Go home to your own country you black Protestant b*****d’.

That hurt him because Eden’s mother is Roman Catholic and I’m Protestant and we brought our children up as Christians to respect both sides’ religion and to respect neighbours and family.

“He was so hurt that he even said when he was on the ground, ‘I am not a Protestant’. And they would say, ‘You are a Protestant, go home to your own country’.

“Then when I had him talking he said, ‘They put my head down the toilet.’ And I said, ‘What do you mean?’

“He said, ‘Dad on a regular occurrence the group of lads would get me and they’d stick me head down the toilet.’ He said it was never a clean one, they’d pick the dirtiest, s**tiest toilet to do it. He said they would stand and laugh.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/7775465/heartbroken-cavan-son-suicide-bullying-eden-heaslip/amp/

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118069614#Comment_118069614

That's all Michael D's fault?

The thing about bullying anywhere Hawley, it makes no sense and is inexcusable. And it has also gone on for ever.

partyguinness

I don't believe the Irish 'hate' the English. I genuinely mean that. I believe it is deep seated mistrust at worst and with good reason too. Of course, we must distinguish between the ordinary 'bloke' in the street and London Government and official organs of state.

The default position when dealing with London is simply not to believe a word and proceed on the working assumption they cannot be trusted. If you proceed on that basis you'll be grand. We are getting a pretty clear glimpse now during Brexit and the attempts to renogotiate- it is clear they signed up with zero intention of honouring it. I am just thinking "Well, quelle surprise"- I wrote here years ago that the Gov cannot be trusted and you cannot expect them to honour anything. Full stop.

London will fcuk you over at the very first opportunity- never forget that.

Roger the cabin boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118069614#Comment_118069614

That is horrendous.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118069992#Comment_118069992

There are a tiny number who hate the British generally, same as there are people in the UK who hate the Irish. They are called bigots and racists, fascists etc.

Is there general xenophobia? There is zero evidence of that given the amount of British people who live freely in this country and who love it here...the same vice versa.

Can you manufacture criticism of the British state into xenophobia? The lads have made a valiant effort here but are now reduced to using a tragedy and a victim to try and cling to the notion.

Munstergirl854

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066273#Comment_118066273

Or the case of Joe Deacy an english lad of Irish descent found beaten to death outside a house in Mayo...I've wondered if that was a local lad would the hand of justice be swifter...

Roger the cabin boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070014#Comment_118070014

"A tiny number" ?

Do you live in a bubble?

Oscar Madison

I never had any angst against the english or british either here in Ireland or when I travelled to the UK.

I always found them sound!

Although I remember one incident when I was paying for parking in Waterford and an english national

couldn't understand why the meters didn't take sterling! I gave him change for the meter but it

infuriated me! Maybe he needed a lesson in history or geography!

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070060#Comment_118070060

Nope, I live on the border, in a town with many English/British people living happily in it. Have done all through the conflict/war too, for that matter.

Some of them I know would also be hugely critical of the British state and where it has gone and for what it did here. They don't confuse the distinction when Irish people here criticise the British state either.

I think you'll find British people living happily all over this country and in greater densities too.

Now if you have any stats (and no, 'feeling stuff in your waters', or 'some bloke down the pub told you' is not what is required here) that prove that anti-Britishness in general is prevalent here, all eyes to see it.

hawley

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards-linda-ervine-gives-hope-to-those-who-genuinely-care-about-irish-3273389

From a Protestant family of anti-sectarian socialists and trade unionists and the wife of Brian Ervine, a teacher who in 2010-11 was briefly leader of the PUP, Linda, with a friend, took a six-week introductory course in Gaelic and Ulster Scots with the East Belfast Mission and Short Strand cross-community women’s group.

FrancieBrady

Aw there's Ruth, the legendary unbiased voice of reason. Stirring up hate against Irish people for decades, like Eoghan and his alter egos.

Kaybaykwah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118071290#Comment_118071290

It takes a special kind of talent to turn the Unionist campers, and the Ulster Scots, and the Queen’s own Ghurkas into subjects more Irish than the Irish. Goebbels would have been very proud of her.

Shebean

When you look at how the British state has treated the Irish and how some of the Unionists did I always find the quick jump to reversing it and putting it on the Irish or nationalist a bit hard to swallow. When some of the unionist community, ulster scots and British government behave decently towards others or democratically without having to be fought and dragged kicking and screaming every inch of the way, then we can victim blame the Irish or nationalists.

There is zero anti english sentiment IMO, toward the British state however is a different story. I imagine there's many even in the Orange Order have issues with the British state.