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electric bill with ecars

  • 23-09-2021 8:55am
    Registered Users Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭cena

    Has anyone that has ecars and charge at home? Has your electric bill gone up since you brought one? I don't have an ecar, just curious



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭cena

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,209 ✭✭✭zg3409

    I did the sums, and I saved a fortune on petrol versus my ESB bill. It works out about an 80% saving.

    My 110km round trip commute needs 20kWh of energy per night, and it costs mr about 2 euro in electricity, about 10 or 11 euro a week. Petrol before was 80 euro a week...

    If you drive a lot, a night rate meter makes sense for cheaper night rates. Some people have solar electric panels to power house and charge the car, but I opted not to do this, and charging at home is really cheap anyway.

  • Registered Users Posts: 32 RingSting

    My 100km commute is costing 1e a day (more like 90c),charging on night rate @ 5c.

    Was costing 12/13e a day in my petrol car, which I kept 🤣

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    By Ecars I assume you mean an electric vehicle and not ESB Ecars which provides public charging

    If so, then yes your electricity bill will go up. Makes sense since that's where you'll be charging your car from

    How much it goes up by depends on how much you drive and how efficient the car is, same as any ICE car

    The advantage of electric is that the higher bills are more than offset by the fuel savings. And you can charge at the night rate which makes it very cheap

    For example, when I got my Leaf, the electricity bill went up by about €200 per year. But I didn't have to spend over €1000 on petrol for my old car 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost (Escapist magazine)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,255 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    I don't think anyone is getting a rate that low on a smart meter. I'm keeping my day/night meter as long as I can

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost (Escapist magazine)

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,688 ✭✭✭✭ted1

    its kind of hidden as you get a welcome bonus for signing up to the tariffs. e,g Electric Ireland are giving you €210 + free Nest hub. so after the credit you are effectively paying les than 5c

  • Registered Users Posts: 697 ✭✭✭LeeroyJ.

    How much was the installation of the at home charging point? I've just started looking into buying an EV (mostly Tesla model 3)

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  • Moderators Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight

    Depends how much you drive, and whether you want a nest hub. Energia were selling nest hubs for €50 the other week. Any time i've done the maths of late, a cheap night rate is worth more savings to me than any credit.

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy

    I bought a Tesla Wall connector for €530, and paid about €430 to get it installed, so net cost after grant (€600) was €360

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    You can get a very basic charger from QUBEV for something like €250 off Amazon. I think @Gumbo got one installed last year as a destination charger

    Electrician can run the wire from the meter box, so in that case installation would probably be just a few hundred

    So it's possible to get a charger for a little over the grant amount

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost (Escapist magazine)

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 14,339 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy

    Whatever a charger and installation ends up costing you, will be made back in fuel savings in no time.

    I would however recommend getting a tethered charger, which makes the whole plugging in process quite easy really..

    Now you could get an un-tethered charger, and buy an extra cable and leave it permanently attached, but it's then open to possible theft etc...

    The Tesla charger is a tethered charger, with 2 cable lengths available (2m & 5m), but the added benefit in the Tesla charger is it has a little button on it which opens your charge port as you approach the car, so plugging in really is an afterthought...

    Have you test driven an EV yet? Model 3? When I ordered mine, I'd never even driven an EV before, and had only sat in the showroom model in Sandyford. We eventually test drove one about 2 weeks before collecting ours, and were blown away by it... 18 months and 41,000km later, and it still blows me away how good it is to drive, and despite being incredibly fast and incredibly fun, the Model 3 SR+ is still one of the most efficient EV's on the road today. No other EV is giving 450km's of WLTP range from a 50kWh battery.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,255 ✭✭✭Red Silurian

    Apparently they can't force you to change to a smart meter, so says an unreliable poster on Facebook anyway... Unreliable being the key word there but when they pop by to install, try saying "no" and see what happens

    I'm fact there are rumors (again - not very reliable sources) stating that they don't have the technology yet to change you from a day/night meter to a smart one

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,688 ✭✭✭✭ted1

    The technology is a screw driver and snips. They simply remove the old meter and replace it. Not very hi tech.

    what the smart meter may not have is a output to trigger a relay to turn on storage heaters. But that’s not an issue as unlike day nights meters the internal clock on smart meters is accurate and doesn’t drift. So you can use timers knowing that they will operate on the correct Time of use tariff

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin

    Partly true, there was an issue a while back where they couldn't do night rates on smart meters but that's been corrected now

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost (Escapist magazine)

  • Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭Comer1

    Interesting, so are the day\night times determined locally by my meter or externally. The time on my meter is one hour behind

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭eagerv

    By the meter, it should be set on GMT which is 1 hour different to now.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,195 ✭✭✭Furze99

    When the public actually have to pay for the full economic costs of electricity for charging EVs, it'll make for a lot of hand wringing. There's no such thing as a free lunch or cheap power/ energy. It's makes sense at the moment due to subsidies on electricity and carbon & other heavy taxes on oil based fuels. That won't always be the case....

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,857 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52

    When YOU have to pay the full economic cost of using the www and cease being the product... as above..

    What subsidies are on electricity?

    The PSO levy, which its the main subsidy for RE only, is coming down in Oct due to market prices going up so a bit more clarity in the arm chair driven discussion is needed

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭innrain

    As diesel is not subsidized at all

    What if the electricity will be more and more generated using renewables means?

    When the public actually have to pay for the full economic costs of electricity for charging EVs ..

    How would you differentiate from electricity used to cook your dinner to electricity for charging EVs.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,915 ✭✭✭✭KCross

    I don’t think you’ve really thought that statement out at all.

    what are the electricity subsidies you speak of?

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,195 ✭✭✭Furze99

    Well we could start with..

    and then consider the excise duties, VAT and carbon taxes on petrol & diesel. When these dry up in the great change over to EVs, how exactly do you think Revenue will compensate??

  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,004 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk

    So what's the subsidy in the above, that's an procedure to allow renewables to sell to the grid.

    And as for revenue, they just collect the taxes/duties/etc it's up to the government to make the decisions on how to, and how they tax us all in the future, we'll just have to wait and see, and don't forget to vote.

    To answer the OP.

    When we got our ev, we switched to a day/night meter, and because we had that we moved some of our heavier loads, (dishwasher etc) - didn't see a noticable change in the bill, but that also was coming out of winter too.

    Did notice the drop on fuel bill though(400odd km/week, doing 45mpg on a good day...)

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,130 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1

    With Smart Meters there will be EV charging levies, it's only a matter of time

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,915 ✭✭✭✭KCross

    Hold on a second... your statement was “... pay for the full economic costs of electricity for charging EVs,”

    the link you provided has nothing to do with charging EVs. That’s about renewables which covers your cup of coffee, your dinner, your shower, your EV.

    Fossil fuels are subsidised too ( and taxed too of course). What about when those tax breaks stop

    the fact remains that ICE ownership will continue to be more expensive to run than EV no matter what way you slice and dice the numbers over the long term. Any increases to EV ownership will be higher in ICE land.

    the government still needs its tax intake but it won’t suddenly result in EVs costing more than ICE because of electricity costs.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,688 ✭✭✭✭ted1

    the state will benefit from money not leaving the state. We import our oil and gas. By using RES, we’ll have slot more money staying in the local economy

  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Rayne Stale Telecommunications

    Don't knock the unreliable poster on Facebook, at least this time he knows what he's talking about, he is correct, you are in no way legally obliged to take a smart meter no matter what any power company tells you.

    People will be at some point or another be forced to take them for micro generation and the likes won't be possible without the smart meter. But from what I read on a farming site recently micro generation will be another failure as it's rumoured only 5000 Kwh can be exported and only the first household connected to the transformer on a pole can avail of exporting. Joke.

    We were promised cheaper bills but they introduced a 3rd peak band between 5-7 pm to screw as much as possible people cooking dinner. No who would have believed the Government when they said smart meters were going to benefit us ? lol. Night rate has also greatly increased too if I remember correctly for smart plans ?

    Question is, if it's free now during the roll out will they screw us to have it installed at a later date when we're forced to have a smart meter ?

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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Rayne Stale Telecommunications

    They don't need smart meters to put a Levy to screw ev owners they could do it now if they wish to anyone without a smart meter or just increase EV tax to 300-500 a year which would generate significant income when there are substantial numbers of electric cars, they don't need to touch electricity, I can't see this happening anyway.

    They're already screwing People on smart plans anyway by introducing a peak 3rd band between 5-7 pm to screw people making the dinner so I would encourage those with piped gas to change to gas hobs and ovens because gas is substantially cheaper than electricity to cook anyway.

    "smart meters will make electricity cheaper" said the politicians, they always lie, lie and more lies. They're absolute scum, Ireland.INC will always take care of the company first.