9mm semi auto long barreled pistols

irishshooter32

Ok so just an idea...

I know that full bore pistols here have been banned here for a while however semi auto centerfire rifiles are currently legal under the right circumstances for example gallery shooting

Now if I got a S/A glock 19 with a 12” barrel and a coat hanger attached making the overall length 24” and licensed it as a restricted legal rifile S/A pistol caliber carbine for gallery shooting would I be issued a license??

keith s

How would you get it in the first place to put the coat hanger on it lol.

irishshooter32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117905391#Comment_117905391

I would imagine you would have to get somebody abroad to convert the gun to the legal Irish standard and then import the gun in probably costing a lot of money and time

Cass

Won't work.

This thread explains that legislation is being drafted to implement the announced ban (from 2015) within the coming months/year. Meaing even if you were able to get an RFD to import it, and do the modifications to turn it into a SA rifle, it'll stand revoked under this new legislation.

Post 53 onward.

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058209296/9mm-semi-auto-long-barreled-pistols

I'm fairly sure that there was a thread discussing this very topic not too long ago, but I can't find it so maybe that's worth a search. Before you get to invested in your idea, just be aware that full bore semi auto rifles are on the chopping block and licences issued after the 18th of September 2015 are set to be revoked so your idea mightn't get too far.

Regarding the idea itself, I'd say it would work however there may be some minimum rifle length in some obscure SI so that's worth asking about. According to the 2008 act “short firearms” means firearms either with a barrel not longer than 30 centimetres or whose overall length (including the length of any detachable component) does not exceed 60 centimetres. So you might be able to get away with having a detachable coat hanger, or hell even a detachable barrel.

At the end of the day, this depends on what the proposed legislation says and what it defines a centrefire semi auto rifles as and whether there's legal room for these long barreled pistols. For the best chance, get in contact with your local TD and TDs on the justice panel and voice your concerns about a potential centrefire semi auto rifle ban.

Grizzly 45

Here's one of the thread[s] https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058200353/long-barrelled-cf-pistols-a-possibility#latest

The legislation is virtually the same in Ireland as the UK on this. But. I would advise about what Munsterlad said too. Don't invest in this too much,if there is a proposed legislation change in the pipeworks, rather lobby against it first. Also it is a right PITFA to import and export anything firearms related from the UK post-Brexit.

Munsterlad102

Just another thought, you might be able to license a single action long barrelled revolver in something like 357 or 44 magnum as that isn’t semi auto.

smmember20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117910335#Comment_117910335

Why torture yourself, a lever action .357/.38 or .44 would be far more satisfying than a contorted pistol to try and circumvent the intention of the legislation and it is very simple no one may license a short firearm CF unless they were licensed prior to Nov 2008!

Go and buy a lovely lever action and enjoy one aspect of the sport that has been well developed. After the pistol ban in the UK in 1996 that is why Gallery rifle became so popular!

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117911881#Comment_117911881

Oh yeah, 100%. I was just proposing this as an option for anyone interested and I like finding potential loopholes or work arounds, however impractical. I'd love a 357 under lever but it's a shame that it's a restricted rifle and I'm not in a position to pay for the extra security. It's senseless that a 30.06 is non restricted but a 357 is restricted.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117912170#Comment_117912170

Even more senseless when you consider you can get a .30-30(2500 joules) in a lever action, non restricted, but a .357(7-750 joules) in the same lever action(even some same models with both calibers available) is restricted 😂

Definitely one of our stupidest firearm laws(the cartridge diameter restricted/non restricted classification that is).

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117912779#Comment_117912779

That relates to pistol calibre as in .38/.357 being a centrefire pistol cartridge which is restricted but a 30/30 is a rifle cartridge is unrestricted.

They never put a lot of thought into much of this legislation, story of our lives

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992427#Comment_117992427

Where are you getting that from? I’m pretty certain it’s not correct.

Restriction is based (in each firearm type) on calibre diameter only. No distinction is made for “rifle calibres” verses “pistol calibres”.

A .30 pistol calibre carbine is legally no different to a .30 rifle

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117993710#Comment_117993710

Ive got firearms in two of these Calibre's and know of a friend with a 30/30 underleaver who's rifle is unrestricted, yet the 38.357 calibre being a centrefire restricted pistol calibre makes the rifle restricted. Go figure. Ask the firearms section in the Phoenix Park?

Cass

There is no mystery here. Its based on bullet diameter. Anything over 8mm (the SI actually says over .308 cal but 30 cal is the understood limit) is retricted. As the 30/30 is a member of the 30cal family and under 8mm its unrestricted (unless its used in a semi-auto firearm in which case the functionality of the gun makes it restricted).

The .38 and .357 are both 9.1mm so over the .30cal or 8mm "limit" so restricted.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117993885#Comment_117993885

.30-30 is .308 diameter

.357 is .357 diameter

its really that simple, one is above the limit, the other isn’t. Nothing to do with being a pistol caliber.

Munsterlad102

According to the 2008 act, restriction ammunition includes "ammunition for short firearms, except ammunition for any of those mentioned in subparagraph (2)(a) or (2)(e) of paragraph 4;", so calibers under the 30cal cut off and are used only in pistols and not rifles would be restricted. The only example I can think of is 25ACP, but that ammunition becomes non-restricted when someone makes a 25ACP rifle, so it's a pretty redundant piece of legislation. So there is a distinction between rifle and pistol calibers.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117994919#Comment_117994919

That’s restricted ammo. Not restricted firearms. No firearm is restricted by virtue of being a “pistol calibre”.

If a .25 ACP rifle it carbine existed. It would be a unrestricted by virtue of being under 30 cal.

Munsterlad102

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117996228#Comment_117996228

Yeah but we’re not talking about restricted firearms, we’re talking about restricted ammunition. You said no distinctions were made between rifle and pistol calibers, which is wrong and which I explained in my post. If someone had licensed a 25ACP pistol prior to 2008, they would have to buy ammunition from a restricted firearms dealer.

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117994235#Comment_117994235

If thats the case then why isnt .303 Restricted? Its above .308

Cass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117997556#Comment_117997556

Simply, the people that wrote the SI are morons. They took .308 as the largest caliber because 308 is bigger than 300 (as in .300win mag), 303 (as in .303 British), etc, etc. They have no understanding of actual bullet sizes, chamberings, etc. I mean a .308 is not technically a 7.62, its 7.82 if we're being pedantic, but yet there it is, in the SI.

(i) single-shot or repeating rifled centre-fire firearms of a calibre not exceeding 7.62 millimetres (.308 inch) and whose overall length is greater than 90 centimetres,

BSA International

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117997556#Comment_117997556

Because the calibre is internationally recognised as .303. No need to rock the boat as some may have done with semi auto rifles 🙄 The calibre measurement is variable if you measure between the lands or the grooves in the rifling too 😉

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117996659#Comment_117996659

No we were talking about restricted firearms. The post claimed that a .357 rifle is restricted because it’s a pistol calibre. Which isn’t correct. As I said pistol/rifle calibre makes no difference to whether a firearm is restricted.

Your post is about restricted ammunition and is a different matter entirely.

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117997556#Comment_117997556

The .303 is a British calibre. And under the British measurement system the bore a .303” diameter. So it in the unrestricted group - even though it’s a .312 bullet diameter.

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118000339#Comment_118000339

Yes but it is above the diameter of a .308 bullet, therefore it should by law be restricted. Yet it isnt? Go figure

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118034883#Comment_118034883

Except the law doesn't refer to the diameter of the bullet.

And regardless, whether 308 is an anomaly or not. A .357 lever rifle is restricted due to its calibre dimension not due to being a pistol round.

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118035382#Comment_118035382

This I know, ive owned 4 of the rifles, any other points or are we just chasing our tales with this posting

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118036920#Comment_118036920

My point was simply thay you were mistaken about the above. Straightforward

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118036971#Comment_118036971

My point is that you are incorrect, once a firearm goes over a certain calibre or is a pistol centrefire calibre then that determines that it is restricted. It is both the firearm type and calibre that determines if its restricted or not

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118047089#Comment_118047089

Multiple have explained that is incorrect. Cass kindly posted the actual law above, it's right there.

You claimed a 357 level rifle is restricted due to being a pistol cartridge. (No mention calibre btw). That is incorrect.

Restricted rifles are based on caliber only. A 357 treated the same as a 356 as far as rifles are concerned. There is no further restriction for rifles firing pistol calibers. If it were, you'd have been able to point to it.

There was no need restrict pistol caliber carbines as there are no 8mm or less PCCs- at least that I am aware of.

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118048079#Comment_118048079

Ive had better conversations with my Dentist while he was digging around in my mouth, you guys crack me up.

Dont have half the kit or knowledge but will quote easily argue the toss about anything.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052449#Comment_118052449

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mellor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118052449#Comment_118052449

You don't to know the law to have the kit. In fact, some of the best shooters I know haven't a breeze of the law. They know their trade though.