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Could a SF government lead to Civil War Part II?

  • 12-09-2021 12:19pm
    Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭ Fred Cryton

    Two polls today put SF on top.

    Thinking ahead to a hypothetical SF government, there is surely a strong chance of a severe constitutional crisis. Think of a SF minister for Justice, minster for Defense. For goodness sake, historically most of the intel fed to the Ministers would be related to SF/IRA themselves! I can see real crunch points where the Army or Guards refuse to carry out orders of a SF minister.

    Beyond that, could we get to the point where things escalate to low level conflict between Irish Army and Irish Republican Army....mirroring the political divide between FG/FF and SF? In other words, Civil War Part 2?

    Shinnerbots will try to rubbish this but there is a logical pathway to the events described above. Haven't even touched on the economic damage here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭ Fred Cryton

    Except the intelligence services both Brisih and Irish confirm the Army Council still exists right? ARe you saying they could never source weapons again in future? Pull the other one.

  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭ Fred Cryton

    You keep going on about FF and FG....There was an Civil War 100 years ago, but neither had an ongoing terrorist campaign over decades that included crinimals, thugs, and vigilantes. And FF did not have an in situ Army Council in the background while in government. And our great grandfathers day was slightly different to our own. So please try harder.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,172 ✭✭✭✭ markodaly

    That will be a big talking point in the next election.

    If SF is the front runner to form the next government, you can be sure as hell to high water that there will be severe scrutiny over the insider dealings of the party.

    For example, to what extent does Gerry Adams have influence or other ex PIRA members and leaders.

    Who exactly are the boys in West Belfast?

    What influence do they have?

    Who are the current leaders of the PIRA and what are their exact links to SF?

    What are the current links to the PIRA?

    What are the current links to criminals like Slab Murphy?

    I can definitely see lots of pressure being exerted to such an extent, either the boys in West Belfast will have to retire or disavow any dealings with SF (and visa versa), or they continue on their merry way and there is a **** storm in the new government where it's revealed some SF minister or TD has dealings with some PIRA stooge in a government capacity which will probably mean the fall of the government as their coalition partners (probably labour and the SD who say they will bring SF to heal collapse the government)

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,018 ✭✭✭ 10000maniacs

    It really does not help that Donaldson and the previous DUP leaders keep warning about street violence if the protocol isn't changed substantially. The DUP are the sole war mongers for this street violence. All the other parties see the protocol as necessary given the shade of Brexit they were landed with.

    The DUP were the midwives of the particular Brexit we have now (no customs union and single market) and now only have themselves to blame for the resulting protocol. They need to own the aftermath of the Brexit they helped engineer and shut up.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭ blackcard

    Francie can't be far away

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭ Working class heroes

    A man who knows he knows nothing knows more than a man who thinks he knows everything.

  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 88,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight

    Even if SF could translate the poll into actual votes on they day they still would have to form a government with another party or three. As things stand they are unlikely to find favour with parties of the centre-right or of the left, especially ones with members who have had history with SF.

    After the civil war there was a peaceful power change from Cumann na nGaedheal to FF and then from FF to FG.

    If you've watched Yes Minister you should know the permanent government is the Civil Service. Or look at how many Unionist party leaders have asked for the head of the head of PSNI on a plate.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,407 ✭✭✭✭ Eric Cartman

    An SF government would almost certainly cause a recession, we’d lose all the confidence of our FDI employers. On top of that they’d remove their hippy drippy socialist cloak and expose the real bleeding heart nationalist, violent SF that their core supporters will for

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭ francois

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭ tdf7187

    I wouldn't get your knickers in a twist over it. SF are now part of the establishment.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭ Shebean

    I can see it now, meltdown of the economy, we'd need get in the IMF. We'd have them organising jobs for their friends. Likely one of them will be under criminal investigation. We'll have them throwing tax payer money at their crony business associates under pretend plans to solve crises they create and gifting state contracts to pals...oh, wait.

    Unfortunately FF/FG have set the low bar. The premise of the thread is brilliant in a monty python kind of way. The fact that FF/FG still think fearmongering will deflect from who they are.

     violent SF that their core supporters will for

    It's like the GFA never happened 🙂

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭ mikethecop

    The Irish Army ( the real one ) would never support a sf government the Gardai either i reckon

    force the issue now and implode ,

    wait 20 or 30 years ye have some hope the smell of cordite and dead bodies will have faded some by then

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭ joseywhales

    I think we are all very committed to democracy at this stage, whether we absolutely hate the results or not. There's no chance of a civil war.

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭ smurgen

    I don't get it. Who's threatening a civil war? Are FF &FG threatening this as they lose grip on power?

  • Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭ gral6

    Our current govenment is crap but so-called opposition is even worse. We are doomed

  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,154 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Ten of Swords

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