F1 2021 Round 14: Monza

Andrew76

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881709#Comment_117881709

He's trying to avoid the sausage kerb - the very thing that punted him into the air. Harsh penalty, was a racing incident imo.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881713#Comment_117881713

Maybe he should have tried to avoid hitting another car instead. He knows Hamilton is there and he knows the gap isn't there. It was bailout time for 99.9% of drivers.

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881724#Comment_117881724

It’s not possible to steer when your in the air! At the point that pic was taken I think his front wheels were already airbourne…. He could have spun the wheel in loop de loops it wouldn’t make a lick of difference.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881732#Comment_117881732

So he came into the corner too hot and lost control of his car. A 3 place grid penalty seems fair enough so.

Dont be at yourself

Shame Rosberg wasn’t with Sky this weekend.

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881724#Comment_117881724

Well no, he had nowhere to go except off the track, Lewis had a ton of room on his outside and the rules are pretty explicit that he should have left a car’s width, which he didn’t. Nothing in the rules say it’s the duty of the overtaking car to drive off the circuit in the event that the defending car breaks the rules and turns into you.

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881746#Comment_117881746

Put it this way, and this is just how I see it! Take your pic and roll it back a few frames… where is max to go? Go right and he’s into Lewis, go left and he’s into the same sausages he hits anyway and still gets launched…. My view is it was a reaching incident and a 3 place penalty says to me that the FIA need to be seen to do something! RB we’re going to be doing the engine change in Sochi anyway so the pen doesn’t really have an impact and everyone walks away happy.

Andrew76

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881724#Comment_117881724

The gap was there and Max was entitled to go for it - as Brundle himself said. Hamilton knew he was there and closed the door. They are both equally to blame, except in the eyes of the stewards unfortunately.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881768#Comment_117881768

Some people think Verstappen should have pressed the invisibility button so Hamilton could drive through him happily.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881768#Comment_117881768

But when is an overtake attempt a kamikaze dive down the inside on a corner? Look, there's not a driver alive that doesn't turn in there when they are clearly ahead and your opponent is off the track. Max should have bailed like Lewis on the first lap but decided to stick it down the inside regardless.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881778#Comment_117881778

Yeah, it was a fine line alright. I don't buy into the theory that Max took him out on purpose. But as the driver coming from behind he has to make a split second decision to either stick it in and hope for the best or take the sensible approach and bail a little earlier. A 3 place penalty is about as weak as they could have gone IMO and shows there wasn't a whole lot in it.

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881828#Comment_117881828

Pretty much my view! I’d have been happier with no pen but it won’t have a huge impact if he takes the expected engine change

Rossi IRL

I knew he would get a penalty as soon as I heard Horner call it a racing incident.

Horner usually blames mercedes for everything.

Brian CivilEng

Is it just me or did the sausage kerb turn this from a simple racing incident to something more serious. It seems to be what launched Max in the air.

BikeRacer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881856#Comment_117881856

Thought the same thing when the majority here said racing incident.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881785#Comment_117881785

For me it's a bit of both. There was a gap that Max 100% knew was going to disappear before he got through it. He's made a career from sticking his nose down the inside like that. Likewise, if you're in Hamiltons seat and you see the person behind you off the track and behind you then you can be 100% sure he's going to turn into that corner.

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881860#Comment_117881860

Yeah I think Ted said something along those lines earlier today, was asking why couldn’t they have been normal kerb’s! (Or is it curb?!? We’ll never know)

kksaints

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881860#Comment_117881860

I'd agree, there should be an investigation into that. I'd have said it was a racing incident but a 3 place grid penalty is probably a similar enough penalty to what Hamilton got in Silverstone.

pjohnson

They put in the sausage kerb because the normal kerbs were being completely ignored and having no effect.

Gaoth Laidir

Well done Bottas on a great weekend from start to finish. Very little praise for him here, but that's normal enough.

I can't believe the Max penalty. For me, if anything, Lewis was slightly more to blame. Max was well up beside him (the rule is his front axle to be ahead of Lewis' rear, right?), his front axle was just behind Lewis's front axle, the gap was there, but then Lewis closed him off to clip the apex of T2. I've taken a few stills to illustrate my point:

1: Max outbreaks Lewis into T1 and gets up into a good position, slightly behind Lewis.

2: Into T2 the gap is there. The right lock that Max has on in the still (and the one posted earlier) has been on since T1 and was not done deliberately, as seemed to be implied by that earlier poster.

3: Lewis turns left to cut off Max, who also puts on full left lock to take the apex.

4: Nothing can be done at this stage. Bad luck that the rear tyres collided, but had Lewis been further right they would not have done and both drivers would have most likely continued. Just look at T1 on the first lap to a line of cars taking T1 and T2 2 abreast and not colliding (last still).

recyclebin

Both Red Bull drivers were too stubborn for their own good when it came to chicanes this weekend. I think they will still be happy enough though having increased the gap in the drivers championship at a track where Mercedes should have been stronger.

Bottas will help will win Mercedes win the constructors the way things are going. It would not surprise me if he actually won the next race in Russia.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881709#Comment_117881709

If be was correcting an oversteer caused by loss of grip at the back, then he would have to steer right.

recyclebin

Another points finish for Williams and Russell too. Hardly got a mention. Good to see the team improving this year.

Jordan 199

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JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881935#Comment_117881935

That poster would be me and I didn't say he turned in deliberately. What I said was that there is no good reason to be still turning right that deep into the corner with a car outside you and closing the gap. Max came in too hot to T1 and was always going to run wide going into the entrance of T2. Even if Hamilton left a car width Max was in no position to take that apex and would have pushed into him one way or another.

It's a racing incident mixed with some hotheadness by Max.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881972#Comment_117881972

Think it's clear he overcooked T1 and was struggling big time to keep it between the white lines.

Gaoth Laidir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117882009#Comment_117882009

Well you said that that onboard would be the key reason for the stewards to give the penalty. He was still coming out of T1 at that stage. A couple of frames later he had left lock on, as I showed in my stills. Here's the clip.

barryribs

Why should Hamilton have to back out every single time they are racing? Imola, Spain, lap 1 today, off the top of my head. Every single time he's either had the option of backing out, going off track or colliding with Max. Red Bull seem to be endowed with some devine right that both cars can consistently force other cars off track. When your team boss is saying something like "Thankfully Lewis had got out of it because otherwise he would have ended up in the fence." then what do Red Bull expect

Zookey123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117881620#Comment_117881620

Great go and watch something else. Don't need anymore toxic fanboys anyways.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117882085#Comment_117882085

He didn't back out in Silverstone. Got a piddly penalty that he had practically wiped out by the time he was forced to take it and won the race.