My Landlord doesn't want smart electricity meters. Do they have a choice with this?

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117793478#Comment_117793478

There was bit of a brouhaha within the last few years over house fires that were started by Samsung washing machines - https://www.9news.com.au/national/samsung-washing-machine-urgent-recall-fire-fears/ff75c959-6788-4d12-9995-b0e79e90ac42

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117792590#Comment_117792590

Yeah they charge with a granny cable in the socket in the garage.

Even though my Dad was an electrician before he retired so could do the labour part of an install for a better charger himself, he says he is retired now and doesnt want to be running cables when he doesnt have to :) But it would still cost a fair bit just to buy it, never mind install it.

What smart meter plan could we get to match the current plan.

Ive looked and no smart meter plan comes anywhere near.

Also not all night rate electricity there is the car.

example of last bill

Standing Charge 55 days at €0.59 per day €32.45

Standing Charge 5 days at €0.62 per day €3.10

Day 657 Units at €0.2322 per Unit €152.56

Night 760 Units at €0.1114 per Unit €84.66

Your discount for this period €97.27CR

Public Service Obligation Levy- 60 days at

€0.2143562 per day

€12.86

Sub Total before VAT €188.36

VAT on €188.36 at 13.5% €25.42

Total transactions for this period €213.78

Ger Roe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117793478#Comment_117793478

Yes, it is more of a risk at night because the operation will likely be undertaken unsupervised and while people are asleep. Those devices should not be operated unsupervised. The risk of fire, or flood, is always there, the risk of increased damage or to health and safety is greater when used unsupervised ... particularly at night.

See here for recent example from former Olympic boxer, Adam Nolan ... in this case he was in another room at the time.

https://www.rte.ie/news/claire-byrne-live/2021/0505/1213949-olympic-boxer-adam-nolan-on-fire-scare-at-his-home/

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117795829#Comment_117795829

electric ireland, Electric night boost.

day .2322 Vs .2143

night .1114 Vs .1103

night .1114 Vs .0563 between 02:00 and 04:00

standing charge = same

+ €210 switching bonus. there's also a discount of 5.5% applied to the tariffs which I left of as its not clear what discount you are getting.

as you are charging at night that period between 2 and 4 will be quite effective

Switch electricity price plans today | Electric Ireland

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117796339#Comment_117796339

That looked quite good until you dig a bit deeper.

See this is what i mean about it being confusing.

That rate you have shown is actually far more expensive.

The unit rate is actually .2322 minus 41%

and .1114 minus 41%

So thats about 14c and 6.5c

Thats where the €97 discount for that bill came from.

a 5.5% discount would be €25 discount per bill.

So on the smart meter for 2 hours you are paying about 1c per unit less.

For the rest of the night you are paying over 4c per unit more.

And for the daytime you are paying about 50% more per unit.

plus vat of course.

I wonder though if you change to a smart meter because of a good deal, can you change back if the deals become not so good.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117793478#Comment_117793478

Main thing with appliances at night is to have a smoke detector over them and ensure they’re good quality, well maintained and properly connected.

Many modern, energy efficient tumble dryers don’t even have heating elements - they use a heat pump, which has more in common with a fridge - they’re air conditioner / dehumidifier.

We got a heat pump dryer and use it off peak and our electricity bill plummeted!

The dishwasher also gets its built in delay timer set to either start at night rate time or start early in the morning, timed to be ready for breakfast.

From a landlord point of view, a smart meter for both electricity and gas makes zero difference to the installation, gives the tenant a choice of all tariffs (smart or classic) and the huge advantage is it’s self-reading. They contain an eSIM card and basically send the meter reading back to ESB Networks or Gas Networks Ireland multiple times per day. That’s a huge advantage as you won’t be left with complexities of the aftermath of estimated bills and all that messing when people move out. The meter reading with the power company is just accurate all the time.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117797567#Comment_117797567

What’s the 41% discount for? Is there a time limit of 12 month?

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117798819#Comment_117798819

Yes its 12 months.

Its called Energia’s best value Electricity bundle with €35 Cashback

Then when you ring them and tell them you are moving they let you keep it for another 12 months.

They used to never give you the discount for the second year but they have changed that policy now because people moved if they didnt get it.

People arent lazy about switching provider anymore.

We've had it for 2 years now.

I thought this smart meter thing was going to be great, but I really think its just making prices more expensive so far anyway.

And unless you can change back to normal night rate after switching to a smart meter, any good offers in future will probably just be to get you trapped on the smart tariffs.

kennethsmyth

None of the smart meter rates are better than the best simple day/night rate. It’s disgusting that they are allowed advertise the way they do as if smart meter rates are the best. Regulator should step in and also make all billing a standard format etc.

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117809351#Comment_117809351

Its amazing how many people have fallen for it too.

Thats how obscure smart meter billing is.

Designed to hide the true cost.