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Ban the Poppy

  • 21-08-2021 12:41pm
    Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun

    We're getting near that time of year, where our political correctness leaps into accepting the poppy.

    It's a symbol which has lost any neutral stance since the blanket amnesty for crimes by British soldiers in Northern Ireland.

    I now see it as a provocative and divisive icon for English nationalists.

    I don't think it should be allowed in Ireland.

    Am I being too sensitive about it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭ BrookieD

    no thanks - its ok

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭ Ash.J.Williams

    i've never seen one or felt compelled to wear or not wear, all i know is they make deeeeeeeelicious heroin

  • Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭ Ramasun

  • Registered Users Posts: 65,319 ✭✭✭✭ Overheal

    Why has it been years since I had a poppy seed muffin. They’re delicious

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  • Registered Users Posts: 55,311 ✭✭✭✭ FrancieBrady

    No problem with anyone celebrating their dead or commemorating those who they see as achieving for them.

    As long as they don't do it to taunt wear what ever you want.

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,260 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    the country is a democratic republic. So no, banning something on the basis of you not liking it, being offended by it... isn’t democratic behavior... and not in keeping with the constitution or values of our democracy, a person should have the ability to do as they wish within the law.

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,286 ✭✭✭✭ banie01

    Banning the poppy makes a mockery of any efforts towards assuring the Unionist community and even those who served in the UK forces from down south that we are paying anything other than lipservice to the GFA.

    Parity of esteem, we don't have to like the poppy, we don't have to wear it and to be honest we don't have to pay it any heed.

    What we do need to do, IMO at least is work on finding a way for both sides to commemorate without confrontation or diminishment of the other. Marching season for example. What's important? Having a march with your fellow Orangemen and marching in front of your community? Or behaving like bigots and taking your march down traditional Nationalist areas to antagonise? And vice versa.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭ Fionn1952

    Couldn't care less about someone choosing to wear a poppy, I don't even care if they wear a poppy to taunt (which I'd say is incredibly uncommon, even in the North where that sort of taunting is more common). I'm not a big fan of enforced poppy wearing, and absolutely condemn those receiving abuse for choosing not to wear a poppy.

    As with every year, much ado about nothing.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭ blackbox

    In the interest of being non provocative, would the OP also like to ban the Easter lily?

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,662 ✭✭✭✭ Timberrrrrrrr

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭ Elmer Blooker

    Its been a very long time since the poppy commemoration was about the places you've mentioned.

    In recent years it has been all about 'our boys' in Afghanistan showing the flag. I expect the poppy commemoration to be very muted this year.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,994 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui

    My father served in WW2 and helped ensure that you don't currently speak German. A great unkle died at the ripe old age of 19 in WW1, and is burried on Lemnos in Greece. Incidents in Northern Ireland just don't matter in the scheme of things, as I see them - not even seedlings, let alone small potatoes.

  • Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭ AlfaZen

    Go there and see for yourself. Your opinion might change.

    People should be allowed to wear a poppy if they wish. They should not have to give it up. However people should not be under pressure to wear one if they don’t wish to. Come November any footballer or person on tv will be called out if they don’t wear one. I believe this is totally wrong too.

  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭ Burt Renaults

    I don't have any time for it, and I've nothing but disrespect for anyone who chooses to wear one. And even less respect for any Irish person who wears one because they were told to by the BBC. But no, anyone who wants to wear one - especially in Ireland - should be encouraged to do so. It's a good way of spotting a dickhead before they open their mouth.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭ indioblack

    What do you want to discuss? Political correctness in Ireland, Northern Ireland, English nationalism - or your concern about being overly sensitive?

  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭ Burt Renaults

    I'm very happy, actually. Wearing a poppy in this country is a very deliberate political statement, whether you like it or not.

  • Registered Users Posts: 65,319 ✭✭✭✭ Overheal

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Hate the war, not the soldier. The British state exploits its poor, people fresh out of orphanages with few options in life, people with low intelligence (I don't mean this in a bad way, not this time anyway), to put their armies together. Sure, a few aristocratic types like to get involved, but in general most of the British Armed forces are to be pitied rather than hated.

    Also, to paraphrase Tony Benn, Don't the British mourn their dead too? Of course they do. Let them mourn.

    Most of the people that wear poppies aren't celebrating the British State, they are remembering family members.

    And finally, read the accounts of young British soldiers sent to Ireland during 1916. Some of them thought they were headed to France. These people were treated like cannon fodder (even if they were better off in Dublin).

    Until you have to choose between survival and putting a uniform on to fight for some militaristic gimp of a politician that promises a pay check when few others will, I think it's a harsh judgment to condemn them all.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭ Furze99

    Re OP - yes, you're being too sensitive. If it doesn't relate to you, then ignore it, none of your business.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    The British public look up to their milatary as heroes

    The British public pay lip service to the military and military vets in particular, IMO. A lot of the British public look down on military types; it's snob thing.

    A lot of the poppy wearing and speaking well of the military in Britain is Pavlov Dog-level behaviour, achieved through years of training via media consumption, a bit like the breathless, equally Pavlovian, American 'Thank you for your service.' (A tiny fraction of U.S. service members ever see combat. It would be more accurate in most cases to say something more like: 'Thank you for flying to Iraq, where you spent most of your awake time peeling spuds and playing pool.' :D ) If the British public love their military so much, why are so many vets homeless or living in dire circumstances?

    Agree with your post though, esp. the last line.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,548 ✭✭✭✭ wotzgoingon

    So did I especially since I read last night the Taliban are supposedly banning the cultivation of the poppy plant in Afghanistan.