They up and took her

Spore

So I live in a street in the center of town and there's this local elderly lady who's a bit of an eccentric. Anyone within a mile of where I live knows her. She spends all of her days walking around babbling to herself and joining in conversations with people uninvited. She has a habit of rocking into restaurants and bars and just having the bants with the customers and swiping drinks. When I moved into the place where I'm renting I was warned of her... but she's harmless. She has a habit of flinging her unwanted stuff into people's gardens and bins and whatnot but other that that (and the fact she'll accost anyone she meets with random conversation starters) she is harmless...

BUT.

There's this prick for want-of-a-better-word on the road who started a petition to have her evicted. He went around to all the gaffs and got signatures. Fast forward to a few weeks ago and a police van shows up outside the woman's home and they baton in her door and bring her out. Wtf? Can people just be sectioned like that? It's been almost three weeks and I'm missing the familiar sight of this lady! She was a bit mad but I was fond of her. She'd leave these weird concoctions of food on your doorstep if she liked you and she'd fill our green bin with her empty bottles of Buckfast, but she was our eccentric, goddammit! And I want her back.

How can I get someone out of the madhouse?

Spore

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778548#Comment_117778548

Working on it

Day Lewin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058204896/they-up-and-took-her

I'm shocked and saddened - what a Brave New World. Conformity enforced by law. Not a happy society.

StupidLikeAFox

There's a couple of odd balls around our town as well and I always thought it was great how the community kind of looked after them. Like you say they would be wandering around in their own world but harmless, the chippers would give them free chips if they walked in, people would say hello as they passed etc. There's something sweet about a community leaving them to their own devices but keeping an eye on them at the same time

That being said, one took a **** on the floor of a shop and another went after a young glass collector with a pool cue in a pub. So yeah, maybe your mad oul one overstepped the mark and went from quirky and heartwarming and took a piss on his doorstep or something

Ger Roe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058204896/they-up-and-took-her

Details on the applicable sections of the Mental Health Act 2001 (Involuntary Admissions) are here :

https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/mental-health/involuntary-admission-being-admitted-to-hospital-against-your-will.html

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117778548#Comment_117778548

OP would be well advised to watch the first series of Prison Break first in order to pick up some tips in advance of putting the grand plan into action.

Anyone got a contact for a cheap tattoo artist for them?

iamstop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117779650#Comment_117779650

Read up on El Chapo and how he escaped the last time. Tunnel to the shower.

Can a random neighbour even get someone sectioned? Sounds more like they set her up for something she could be charged with. Planted drugs maybe?

newuser99999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117782573#Comment_117782573

Nope. Really long process involving psychiatrists + solicitors.

NSAman

Is it yer Ma?

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117782763#Comment_117782763

Good to see boards getting back to some form of normality after the migration...

👍

Blast it with píss etc...

85603

Off to the bouncy house with her.

Hazard to herself and others. Go have a peek inside her house, no doubt its a hoarders episode.

Throw her in that van and off to the funny farm. a quick de-lousing, a hose down, and some happy pills. Finger painting tomorrow 9-12. Some liquid pudding and circular wandering 2-5. Then back to bed. Best for her.

Sure its as good as my own life.

The haz-mat crew can then go about emptying her gaff. She was only going to cause a fire, flood, or infestation anyway.

jmlad2020

Who is this women she deserves her own TV show documentary.

85603

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117786118#Comment_117786118

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47msKc3abqo

Turns out she already has one.

HerrKapitan

They will be doing it with the unvaccinated soon. They are just testing the system.

Spore

So I spoke to her neighbours and they reckon it was yer man down the street with the petition along with her three sons and they had her committed. Now the three sons (who never ever visited her) are taking possession of her gaff, which judging by house prices is probably worth north of 650K.

Bastids

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117803509#Comment_117803509

It is very difficult to get someone committed in this country. Plus if she was committed that doesn't deprive her of the right to her property.

airy fairy

It's almost next to impossible to commit someone against their will into both the public and private mental health sector in this country.

Guards and medics don't or can't rock up to someone's gaff and bundle them into a van either.

There's no way a petition can remove someone from their home either.

Would you call the the friendly neighbour with the petition and ask for contact details for either the sons or your lady?

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117804116#Comment_117804116

Sounds like a terrible thing to do to your mother, lock her away & take over her house. How would she get back home, would the sons who had her committed have to agree to her release or how does it work?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117804175#Comment_117804175

you can't have your mother committed. only doctors can do that. her release is nothing to do with her kids. their permission is not required.

https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/mental-health/involuntary-admission-being-admitted-to-hospital-against-your-will.html

Neighbours cannot petition her to be admitted against her will. And you have rights if committed https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/mental-health/involuntary-admission-being-admitted-to-hospital-against-your-will.html

I think this thread is a joke or troll or someone ill advised. No one can have you admitted and take your home

Riddle101

I'd say mental health needs to be factored in here. From the OP, it sounds like she had some mental health problems which can be unsettling to people because it's an unknown element to them. If they have kids, they might feel uncomfortable having their kids interact with someone like that. If they're disrupting things, it can be a nuisance. Not saying I agree with it, especially if she's harmless but some people aren't accustomed to eccentric people.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117803509#Comment_117803509

Ah, so her family was involved. Families are often a touchy issue. I think you'd need to know their background to have full context, but what can you do. Perhaps they were ashamed of her, or they wanted her property or something. Could be that they decided it was unsafe for her. Sounds like a sad story.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806476#Comment_117806476

The family cannot deny her rights to a Tribunal. there are rules around involuntary admission

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808172#Comment_117808172

For a you know she's in prison.

Or a nursing home.

No tribunals involved with admissions to either.

Jequ0n

She sounds like a pain in the ass, be glad to be rid of her, OP.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808641#Comment_117808641

For all you don't know you can't be forced to a nursing home if compenis mentis. If not CM its psych and that has Trubunal. You cannot be put in prison without a judge even remand and you still have legal rights\ access to solicitor if on remand and no one can steal your house

B.A._Baracus

Hey op, pay no attention to that so called petition. No one can get committed over that.

That said siblings can sorta get someone committed. If someone clearly has mental issues, like after a short conversation you know they suffer from something, siblings can say they are a danger to themselves or others. That's where a grey area comes.

Truth be told you are probably only getting half the story. She may have done something to bring this on.

freshpopcorn

The fella probably kicked up a fuss and the sons had to act to shut him up.

She's probably in a home or living with somebody else.

Some people can't deal with people being a tad odd or eccentric. They just can't deal with people like that.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117810188#Comment_117810188

Only a doctor can decide if someone is a danger to themselves and others. And it takes 2 doctors at that.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058204896/they-up-and-took-her

Didn't happen. When are the schools back??

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117806476#Comment_117806476

They don't get to decide anything. The story seems to be a complete fabrication. Feeling uncomfortable isn't enough to have someone held involuntarily against their will.

CrabRevolution

The story is clearly made up. The forum and tone of the post give it away too.

There's no way anyone would believe that all it takes to get someone committed to a mental health institution is for several members of the public to sign a petition.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117808812#Comment_117808812

If a person has signed a Power of attorney while they were still CM, then when they become non-CM the person the POA is assigned to can make decisions on their behalf, with no discussion to any third party.

Their decisions can be appealed to a court, but usually aren't.

Spore

Right, so in an update I spoke to the guy who sent the petition he says she's had mental health issues since she was 14/15. In fairness to him he's actually a nice chap and made a good point that the lady in question was becoming a danger to herself and the public. I'm still a bit torn that she's been committed. I'm sure a doctor and mental health people made the final decision. Maybe I jumped the gun with my first conclusions. Haven't spoken to the brothers so don't know their version of the story

Still I do miss her familiar face on the streets. I can pm anyone her first name and the street if the Mods allow? Be interesting to get other people's take on the situation if they know her...