Dublin mother shares footage of offered council house

Kermit.de.frog

https://m.independent.ie/videos/dublin-mother-shares-footage-of-council-home-offered-after-13-years-on-a-list-40739504.html

Aoife has been on the housing list for 13 years and has made a video of what she has been offered for herself and her 'nearly'? four children by the local council.

Curiously only outside views are made available and how they apply to the actual apartment is a little unclear as you never see it but the Indo decided to run with it anyway (link attached).

It does look a mess outside at any rate.

But then there is this which reads a bit like a Margaret Cash bingo card and then my sympathy starts to ebb a little...

What do you think of Aoife's predicament here? Let's be honest I don't think most of us would actively choose this abode to be fair to her.

She lived in the citywest for 8 years with 4 kids....wtf

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058203455/dublin-mother-shares-footage-of-offered-council-house

She shouldn’t have an “active choice” unless she is buying or paying the market rate rent. Otherwise she should be happy with whatever she is given. Video looks to be a service door on the roof and the car park. Not a bit of the apartment she was offered.

mloc123

Beggars can't be choosers...

tupenny

That is grim, in all fairness

Stop having kids until you can provide adequate shelter for them. Don't have them to use as leverage to get accommodation.

wonski

Well she has nearly four kids and that was supposed to be her forever home.

Can't blame her after waiting 13 years lol.

Good luck with the hunt for your forever home Aoife. Sure that was difficult 13 years. Hope another 13 will be easier and there will be a garden.

How dare they offering apartment when she clearly needs a house with a garden.

jammiedodgers

Have some more kids Aoife, that'll solve your problem.

JimmyVik

4 kids?

She probably thinks she will have to go to number 5 now to speed up getting a house.

Margaret Cash had 7 kids and got her house so maybe that is the magic number.

Then those 7 drains have 7 more each. Suddenly 49 net losses are added to the exchequer. And if those 49 have 7 each we get 343 more. So a total of 400 taking far more from the system than they put in (if indeed they put anything in).

Meanwhile Joe and Mary Taxpayer are having 1 or 2 kids, or maybe 3 at a push, to pay for those 400.

The maths don't add up.

markw7

God love her, maybe a few more kids is the solution?

Oranage2

The two tales of the housing crisis.

Case A) a person working close to minimum wage all their lives and not being able to afford a home.

Case B) a woman popping out multiple kids and expected a forever home

jrosen

What does "nearly 4 kids" mean.

It looks pretty grim and not a place I would want to raise a family in. Im in two minds. In one way I feel like you cant moan if your being handed a house but then in another way I think we really for what the council are paying the properties should be a far higher standard.

suicide_circus

The outside does look a bit crap but i have no sympathy whatsoever. Firstly, the fact that she neglects to include any interior shots makes me think this is bullshite. Secondly, I had to live in some pretty squalid accommodation, paid for by me, in my time - her fellow citizens are picking up the tab for her so i'm not too interested in her entitled whinging. Thirdly, i wonder how many of her 4 kids came along while on the housing list...?

Sleepy

Why on earth are the Independent printing that?

Oh, that's right, newspapers have a vested interest in the housing market.

costacorta

Maybe if she wants a garden and all furnishings she needs to get off her hole and get a job and keep her legs closed

Icsics

Same old story, you are not ‘entitled’ to anything Aoife. Get a job & provide for your own children instead of expecting the tax payers to foot the bill. Wheres the daddy in all of this? He has responsibilities too, not the tax payer!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737856#Comment_117737856

Case C) A single person in a regional town making twice minimum wage but the cheapest suitable rented place being over 50% of take home pay and scrambling to get a deposit together. God forbid a dental or medical issue comes up that you have to pay for out of pocket, that's 2 months of the savings gone.

FileNotFound

Maybe I am just an arsehole but I feel no sympathy with these stories.

Sitting on your arse for over a decade waiting for the state to pay your way while having more kids than most working couple's can ever afford. All she wanted was a house with a nice garden (probably a 5 bed sure) - and only in certain areas.

Reality is there are people more deserving of the states charity. Imagine getting an essentially free Gaff in dublin and claiming its not enough. Detestable.

And lets be honest, only the most self entitled cannot see beyond a bit of cleaning and tidying up.

FileNotFound

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737922#Comment_117737922

The council may have had it for years, state of the place may be down to last tenants and its on the council to clean.

Think the nearly means a bun in the oven.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737684#Comment_117737684

nobody should live over a pub in kilinarden

theteal

I bet the comments on FB are polar opposite of what we have here.

Outkast_IRE

I would have serious questions over the management and running of that complex though . Irregardless the warped boards are a hazard on what is possibly an escape route.

God only knows what other compliance issues are hiding in a place like that.

ThunbergsAreGo

I am genuinely confused by the video

Where is the actual apartment, why are there no shots of it or the door? What state does she accept the bins to be in?

But she will get what she wants, and some hard worker will be outbid on the apartment.house they want so Aoife can live there.

This is modern entitled Ireland

The Mighty Quinn

What a shithole.... but...... why should she be given something pristine in a desirable location when many working couples with no children can't even afford to buy those places.

At the same time, it's a disgrace the way some people choose to live, the filth there. A little pride in your home environment wouldn't go astray. Stop dumping your rubbish all over your own doorstep etc

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738053#Comment_117738053

She should be given something pristine, regardless of its location. That's not a lot to ask for. Clearly, a lot needs to be done by councils to ensure that their properties don't get into this kind of state.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737817#Comment_117737817

I've done them sums before and questioned myself on them. Am I being a bit dramatic? Sure the burden is so small what does it matter, etc. But then the current status quo is recent enough. Those that pay their own way are these days having smaller families, years ago everyone had loads of kids so it all balanced out. But in five generations time the workers will only sustain their numbers while the freeloaders will have grown exponentially.

Cienciano

Hard to tell anything from that video tbh. I have 2 kids and didn't have any more because I can't afford to. Surely it's not that hard?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738113#Comment_117738113

HOW DARE YOU TELL A WOMAN WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY!!!!?111

DarkJager21

Has anyone told these people yet that a "forever home" is a term used for dogs being rescued from a pound? Beggars can't be choosers - why should something which is essentially free, have to meet the standard of something which others have to work themselves to the bone to even live in or own?

HeidiHeidi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738086#Comment_117738086

And yet, we're always hearing stories of council houses/flats in perfectly reasonable condition which are left vacant for ages, because they have to be stripped of perfectly good kitchens and bathrooms and refitted to council spec (often lower spec than what's there, if half the stories are to be believed).

Which is correct??

The Nal

They're the apartments over Killinarden House. Bog standard Celtic Tiger apartments (I know because paid 300k for one similar in the area 😪) but the outside looks a bit shabby aswell. But yeah, stop having kids until you get your base sorted.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2773034,-6.3800476,3a,68.6y,166.37h,91.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCwQlAdhyJubXV3LP__5VzQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Shebean

Just another singular case publicised by the like of the indo to hand wave away all the working people who can't afford a place or are on the homeless list.

Maybe Simon and Leo can give her the Freedom and Expression gig?

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738144#Comment_117738144

Neither is correct. Meeting a certain standard shouldn't necessarily mean being 100% standardised. They and their surroundings should be perfectly clean and habitable.

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738092#Comment_117738092

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737684#Comment_117737684

nobody should live over a pub in kilinarden

spurious

Immaculate conceptions no doubt.

Where is daddy? At work?

conorhal

You're entitled to feel at least somewhat safe in the accomodation you're offered.

As if to underline what an absoloute s_hole killinarden is, this article shares the page with an article about the latest fatal stabbing just up the road from the place.

Frankly, I'd rather be homeless.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737659#Comment_117737659

they can if indeed it is the case that what is offered is not to the correct standards acceptable to the norm.

The Mighty Quinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738202#Comment_117738202

Ohhh yeahhh, he's working I'd say... or should I say, they're working I'd say!

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737654#Comment_117737654

that is unviable as then it allows the council to offer any old crap.

buying or paying market rent only entitles you to live in the house in the case of rent, or ownership upon full repayment if the loan in the case of buying.

it does not make you more worthy or entitled i am afraid.

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738228#Comment_117738228

Or if they have more children they can go bigger.

Potatoeman

No inside shots and those bins are in the underground car park. You don’t live there. Don’t see any used needles around either.

SteM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738226#Comment_117738226

The stabbing was closer to where in Citywest she lives at the moment than to Kilinarden.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737732#Comment_117737732

looks like that is a bit late, doesn't it.

no point in crying over spilled milk.

Won't someone think of the Angles.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117737978#Comment_117737978

are you giving her a job?

thought not alright.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738228#Comment_117738228

This is the problem, it should be the street for her and care for the children.

Sleepy

You saw nothing of the inside of the apartment because it was undoubtedly pristine. She just expected to be given a house with a nice garden as that's what she feels entitled to.

Any landlord who's ever tried to let their property to the council on a Long Term Lease (or found themselves with a tenant on HAP or the like) will tell you that the council are far more stringent on ensuring the RTB standards are met than any private tenant would be. In fact, the regulations even impose a higher standard on properties let by Approved housing Bodies than those on the private rental market:

https://www.rtb.ie/beginning-a-tenancy/what-minimum-standards-must-a-property-meet

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117738138#Comment_117738138

because it should, that's ultimately it in a nut shell.

properties should meet a certain, decent standard regardless and that, quite frankly, is the end of it.

any genuine extras, then the paying for them comes into it.

but the nonsense of being entitled to a decent standard if you pay for it but must live in a slum if you are need of subsidized housing is supposed to have died with the tenaments demolition in the 60s.

astrofool

I presume she was trying to find out which of her new neighbours caused the damage so they would fix it, right?

I mean, presumably, at some point, everything was fixed and lovely, and then people moved in and accidentally damaged it and now she wants them to fix that damage.