Mayo GAA Discussion

PressRun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118806816#Comment_118806816

Unfortunately there is a serious lack of physicality with a lot of the newer lads. A few of them are a good two years away from what's required imo. They're getting killed on the turnovers which was the same story down in Tralee and will be the same story into championship because that physical strength isn't going to come overnight.

Blackjack

Kevin Mc and Hession on. Hope they can add enough to make up the deficit.

ureds

Has Doherty touched the ball?

Cartman78

Only a point in it now somehow 👀

Sounds like the wind has picked up since half time

robbiezero

Mayo should be out the gap this half but for some really poor forward play.

Cartman78

Some really sloppy turnovers in the last 10 mins......Orme and McLoughlin repeat offenders

happyoutscan

I've seen nothing from Orme over the last few games to suggest he's ready for senior.

Cartman78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118806983#Comment_118806983

I have to agree....he looks to be a tidy footballer alright but lacking in pace and power at the moment

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118806983#Comment_118806983

That’s a bit harsh. I think he’s a ahead of a few others at this point, I’d have him ahead of Towey for a start.

franklyon

Edited by myself as might have been harsh, really poor display by the new starters and will leave it at that

Barlett

That was very poor against a team there to be beaten

Man Vs ManUre

Mod Edit

Warning issued.

TsuDhoNimh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118806822#Comment_118806822

Haha, no. Nothing about the selection suggested we were going to see.... THAT.

A real struggle to pull a positive from that showing tonight.

Byrne was solid, though never really tested with a strong press on the kicks. McBrien wasn't awful, though looked raw as to be expected. Carney worked hard coming in. Jordan hit a nice score. Matty had a couple of nice bursts.

McLoughlin as bad as I've ever seen him in the Mayo shirt. Orme looked well off the pace and turned down even trying to look for some scorable opportunities. McHugh, Boland and Towey were so far off the strength and pace needed in the first half it was painful to watch.

Tactics looked way off, execution way off, energy levels off and even the determination and spirit didn't seem to be there. I really hope that was a strategic loss after running the legs off the lads in training as if not it suggests we have some problems. An absolute shocker.

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118807044#Comment_118807044

@Man Vs ManUre Meaning?

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118807101#Comment_118807101

I wouldn’t be wasting time or effort trying to make sense of that going by previous posts.

quidel7

Aside from a few players being out of form, Tyrone are great at getting bodies back and crowding out their defence. Allied to a tricky wind I’m not sure it’s the type of game that ever suits a Mayo attack.

franklyon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118807091#Comment_118807091

Agree with all this, feel sorry for the people who travelled up to Omagh to endure that. Horan has to take a lot of the blame for this one.

Squatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118807232#Comment_118807232

This sorta BS is what makes losing acceptable in Mayo. The article from the 42 last week really sums up why we lost today. Tyrone played the EXACT tactics expected, and mayo played to Tyrone's strengths. Even with the sub-optimum team selection, a game strategy tailored to Tyrone would have got us thru with points to spare. Today's, as I previously predicted, was never going to be competitive. I'm not often this critical of the team, but if I paid to get to Healy park I'd be looking for a refund.to put on such a headless performance is an insult to the supporters. And I'm not blaming any players, to me they were told to go out and express themselves, rather than clear duties, attacking strategys, punishing turnovers, defense strategy etc. This BS of getting frees and kicking back to the goalie, removes any advantage gained from being awarded a free. Galway would easily beat that team, as would Roscommon and probably Sligo. I do expect we will bounce back, but to put on a show of that nature undermines the spirit of Mayo football, their followers and sponsors

Man Vs ManUre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118807101#Comment_118807101

Mod Edit

Warning issued.

Green&Red

I don’t think it can be overstated that Tyrone had something to play for last nite and we didn’t. Mayo don’t really want to be in the league final two weeks before they play Galway. Tyrone were desperate for the win and no matter how you prepare mentally the players on both side act this out.

Having said that it’s worrying that we seem to have so little idea up front. Where are the scores going to come from? ROD and our half backs. Diarmuid is hopefully good for a couple. Probably not enough to win an all Ireland. But I suppose there are few counties who could lose two of their starting full forward line and still compete.

In much the same way as I wouldn’t get carried away with the Dublin and Armagh performances I won’t get too down about this game. The team picked suggested what our priorities were. Every pundit on Twitter was commenting that Dublin & Kildare would be annoyed at the Mayo selection.

PARlance

Seemed like a team you might see in the second league game rather than the second last. Maybe injuries/required rest dictated it, but there were far too many players with question marks selected.

The result was probably as expected. The fact that we probably should have won it is possibly more of a reflection of where Tyrone are than ourselves.

On the positives:

I think Byrne has settled the nerves a fair bit in terms of being a decent 2nd keeper.

O'Shea played the sweeper role decently.

Keegan looks like he's loosing the winter arse week by week.

Flynn and Ruane are really showing themselves to be a very strong midfield. Have been very impressed and I like that Loftus is there to add something different if needed.

DOC back is a great boost. I can see cases being made for Orme, Boland, Towey but you would just want one of the three starting in a stronger team. Orme is the standout of the three for me, a very intelligent player but I think he needs another year or two before he's added some strength to really see the best of him, but he's smart enough to get by without it for now.

One of the things that annoyed me most was a small thing, but is the type of thing that will cost us in a big game. Towey had a 45 in the first half, it was never making it against that wind... We had nobody anticipating it at all. 2-3 similar scenarios in the second half where we had frees and failed to anticipate an opportunity of a break etc. That comes from a lack of cutting edge on the field and sideline imo. Basic stuff that will cost us.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118808552#Comment_118808552

I don't get the "don't want to be in the league final" at all.

Galway will be more than likely playing in their Divisions final.

I get that there may be different levels of desire to be in the final... but I think any manager would snap your hand off for a big competitive game a fortnight before Championship. Perfect opportunity to give some real experience to the newer guys if needing to protect others.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118808704#Comment_118808704

It's hard to know really.

Back in the day when there was a huge gap between the last league game and the first championship game getting to the final gave you a extra game to fill that gap.

But you could look at it this way from a Mayo management perspective.

They have secured Div 1 status.

They had played various combination of players up to this point and yesterday was the last chance really to have a look at some players against a top team that would be motivated and it was away from home.

Plus the league final is still achievable given that they still owen the head to head v Armagh the other team really challenging for the final place.

So overall it was a game Mayo did not target, and not targeting certain games is something that every team does.

km79

I think it’s fairly obvious with the players selected , the players left out completely and even the subs we didn’t bring on that Horan had different priorities this week. And maybe next again .

it’s a different season this year.

If he went full tilt last night and we picked up more injuries people would be giving out as well.

i do think we need to beat Kildare though to get momentum back. And I don’t see how we don’t qualify for league final if we do win. Which I honestly don’t think we want

spakman

Yeah, it's hard not to be frustrated and disappointed based on that performance.

But then you think back to the start of the league, and many were saying once we've secured our Div 1 status, we can experiment and not care about results - maybe that's what's going on?

Without knowing the motivations and training schedule of the panel, its very hard to judge the relevance of the performance.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118808821#Comment_118808821

Certainly have to beat Kildare, going into a Connacht championship with three losses in a row (possibly four if they get to and lose a league final) is not the way to be carrying on.

PressRun

Anyone hear that Cillian O'Connor has had a set back in his recovery or another injury? I've been very skeptical about seeing him this season anyway, but if it's true the recovery isn't on track, then we can definitely count him out.

Squatman

We absolutely should have gone full tilt last night, and lets face it, players will generally play as best they can on each game. Last night was the worst load of shambles witnessed in the last number of years. Yes Horan may have "saved" some players for later on, however Stevie wonder can see that apart from the starting 15 sweet FA is being done to develop the rest of the squat. They looked like headless chickens out there. No team is looking to lose players in the league, but every other team is looking to be competitive in it. Last night was an embarrassment. At one stage I saw we were on zero points with 22 mins gone..don't think we even took a shot at that stage- was that in effort to save the. Players? If I were Horan and had a game plan I'd be dropping lads like they were hot..and If I were Horan and HAD a game plan, I'd be calling rockford.- or someone else with the ability to pull a strategy from their an()s

Squatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118808552#Comment_118808552

Tyrone bet us in our very last meeting. We had pride to play for. A statement that says Tyrone bet us in the final because we had an off day.... A fluke.... Not to be repeated... But no, we fed into the narrative that yes, indeed Tyrone are the superior team and for 2 years running. Any statement that Tyrone had something to play for and mayo didn't is overstating.very disappointed that a seasoned supporter such as yourself could excuse this performance so readily.

Squatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118808873#Comment_118808873

Dunno, I presume. We have to beat Kildare to make final?