Mayo GAA Discussion

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119518108#Comment_119518108

Still don't see why you think they don't work well together? Cillian didn't score from play vs Galway, but it was his first game in 10 months. Ryan was very good that day so Cillian clearly didn't hinder him.

The evidence of them playing alongside each other is very positive so far. Hopefully both will get a clear run of fitness next year.

Lukekul

Hopefully Tommy Conroy's recovery is going well and the injury won't have impacted his playstyle.

muddle84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119519606#Comment_119519606

Isn't he playing in the US?

PARlance

I don't think the major gains are tombe made from ROD, Tommy, Cillian. They're all very good players and will be able to work together imo. It would obviously be a massive plus to have them all back next year.

But the big gains are to be made in getting players like Carr, Carney, Moran/whoever, to complete a really strong set of starting and impact forwards imo.

I think McStay will really focus and try to elevate these types of players.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119519753#Comment_119519753

Not a hope,he did his cruciate in Feb.I believe he is over in the US for the summer though.

Depending on the severity of it he might not even be back for the start of Mayos league campaign next year (I'd be hoping he would though)

muddle84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520122#Comment_119520122

Thats fair! I couldn't figure out how he would be let risk affecting his recovery by playing in the US!

On the recovery time, Bernard Brogan did his cruciate in a February and made his return for an a quarter final that August! I know every injury and person is different of course, but I would hope he will be well fit for the league if not already!

Audioslaven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119515995#Comment_119515995

Didn't hear it so going on your message .... Boyle was a great player but when I hear stuff like releasing Keegan when the man has miles up on the clock and cannot deliver to the same level he was savage at, AOS to full forward when he can't score and has lost the pace. Living in the past imo. Keegan is still solid in the full back line but moving him to the HB line is asking too much off him at this stage of his career and not been fair to him. We have Durcan and EOL who are excellent in this role and we don't need Keegan in there.

We have loads of Mark Moran's in the panel but they just don't move into the ROD/Conroy level. Why...well that is the question but I suppose it comes down to quality. Boyle is basically favoring the guys he played with and while this is "nice", it does not cut it and I hope McStay can see beyond this chatter. It will be really interesting to see what McStay does as the last two all irelands were "handy" ones for Tyrone and Kerry.

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520365#Comment_119520365

Agree about Keegan. He has been excellent in the full back line for the last two years. Don't understand the huge clamour to change that. We've loads of really good young, pacy options for the half back line.

O'Shea full forward has surely run its course by now too. I thought Jack Carney showed a lot of promise there so that's definitely something to explore further.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520233#Comment_119520233

Yes you would hope Tommy can come back and continue to be on the arch he was on.He does have youth on his side and from what I hear is a determined character.All this is positive of course but there's no guarantee he'll still have the same level of pace.Confidence that the injury has actually healed is a big thing aswell,he has to trust its OK and this can take time aswell.If he got a few games under his belt early in the league I'd be hoping he might be coming into form/confidence next spring.A lot of ifs,buts and maybes though!

muddle84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520365#Comment_119520365

I think Eoghan McLaughlin has the potential but he needs to add scoring to his arsenal to be fair. I think Keegan is just fine where he is and has still managed to come forward when needed to tag on a score. To your point he probably doesn't have the legs to be up and down the pitch all day like in the past. I do think we need to get Mullins off the full back line though so looking forward to seeing what he will do there.

I agree on the forwards too, i do think there is something with Darren McHale and maybe there is a few more that will put their club championships! Really looking forward to the club championship now too!!

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520451#Comment_119520451

I would hope they're very careful with his return! There was no care is the lead up to the injury. And I hope it's a lesson learned for players in similar situations in future.

I would be a bit nervous about seeing him thrown back in on heavy pitches in Jan / Feb. There's really no rush until the spring. But every recovery is different.

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119518108#Comment_119518108

Not sure about that - Cillian's average from play (where he's played more than 1 half of football) is 1.95 over 85 games, of those 60 are championship games it's 2.4. Ryan's is 1.35 over 29 (where he's played more than one half), and in the 11 championship games he's featured for more than a half it's 1.45 from play.

Audioslaven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520442#Comment_119520442

I would agree that Carney looks the most promising. it is the consistent delivery of performance which most fall down on...one day good....next day barely touch the ball. You would expect that for the first year but after that it needs to go. You can live with one player like this in the team but we just have too many of them. On top of this, some experienced guys have lost their mojo so we need those guys back on song next year and then a few experienced guys are probably not good enough any more. There is another handy all Ireland for the taking next year and Kerry in particular have got their fair share of them over the years. Tyrone last year and Kerry this year. Time for us to get one.

finisklin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119522241#Comment_119522241

That's a good insight and interesting. How now can they gel together to lift those averages or at the very least maintain them? Would be interesting to compare with other prolific team's players and see if these are ahead or behind. Given that garnering scores from our forwards and play has been our challenge, I suspect it may be behind.

Note that Cillian has also defensive qualities as well where he is tenacious in tackling from the front and setting up the other forwards to attack kick outs. I suspect Ryan has learned/modeled some of this behaviour.

Horsebox4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119520365#Comment_119520365

How come Mayo never win those handy All-Irelands ? Serious question.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119523348#Comment_119523348

The time for us to get one was the time Tyrone got one.

RedDevil55

I never understand this handy All Ireland talk. Tyrone beat Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and ourselves to win in 2021. Kerry beat us, Dublin and Galway this year. What constitutes a difficult All Ireland win?

spakman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119525158#Comment_119525158

Galway 98 was handy

Audioslaven

Mayo 04/06 was handy. When I mean handy, I am pitting the Dublin teams that won 6 in a row and the quality of footballers they had and played. Match that against Kerry and Tyrone in the last two years. Big difference imo. Galway this year are a mirror picture of us from 2021. That is what I mean by Handy. Dubs would have done Kerry in the semi this year if they had COC and the dubs are not what they used to be. Quality has slipped imo

Audioslaven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524809#Comment_119524809

100% as this was there for the taking .

Audioslaven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119524781#Comment_119524781

Most times we just were not good enough and probably punched above our weight to get to a final (pre 2012) and the others we met a serious dub team who just had the better of us. We have a habit of making daft decisions in finals as well both as players and managers.

boosabum

Would argue we made that Dublin team great. Kerry still kicking themselves after the 2011 final and we should have been 10 points up at half time on the 2013 final, instead we left them in it and the rest is history. I'd say cork 1989, a fragile team who has lost two all Irelands in a row Meath 1996 were the two that mostly got away. Trajectory could have been some much different if coyles shot had bounced wide or into a backs hands

RedDevil55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526291#Comment_119526291

If you're only talking about finals, Dublin were dreadful in the 2016 final. They could hardly kick a score in the first half. Tyrone in the final last year kicked a few excellent long range points and got an outstanding goal.

2018na

I would thank this twice if I could. It’s so true. Mayo have handed a few counties all Ireland medals by beating the main competiture ie Dublin. Unfortunately it’s in semi finals but the alternative is 10 in a row. I told everyone that Dublin would beat Tyrone by 10 points any day they played including last year and people laughed at me

Green&Red

Just catching up, happy enough with the McStay appointment, disappointed for Dempsey on a personal level.

I doubt Dempsey was ever going to take Toxic Tim's money, he'd have more sense, even if he didn't think your man was a willy waving liability he'd know it wouldn't fly with the CB.

From what I heard around town McStay had agreed to take over Ballina next year, they were looking for a one year only ticket this year which meant they got a few refusals before the current group took it.

Was at a funeral in Irishtown during the week and all the talk was of where we were getting these high scoring forwards. Conor McStay and Justin Healy were both mentioned but out from that we were struggling to pick lads that weren't already involved but agreed if you have Tommy, ROD and COC you probably have the bulk of your scores anyway, that the remainder just need to pick up 5-6 points per game.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how he gets on and what way he plays. The best of luck to him

Mf 265

Mod Edit

Warning issued.

Horsebox4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119527385#Comment_119527385

So Mayo beat the main 'Competiture' ('21)once to hand another County a handy All-Ireland or have you more examples ? I think you trying to say Mayo just poxed beating Dublin that day and should not have been in an AIF.

Horsebox4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119526321#Comment_119526321

So Kerry 04,06,Tyrone 21, Kerry 22 were all handy AI, any more ? If Mayo win it in 23 will that be handy because Dublin have slipped back.

Audioslaven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119531861#Comment_119531861

Cork 2010 was a handy win for them against a pretty average Down team.

Horsebox4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119534848#Comment_119534848

Do you always disregard Connacht teams as handy teams to beat or just when it's not Mayo? 2010 Cork beat the Connacht Champions by 9 points in the QF, a Dublin team in the semi who the following year would win the All-Ireland. Cork also were in the middle of their 4 or 5 league titles in a row at the time.