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I would hope they're very careful with his return! There was no care is the lead up to the injury. And I hope it's a lesson learned for players in similar situations in future.
I would be a bit nervous about seeing him thrown back in on heavy pitches in Jan / Feb. There's really no rush until the spring. But every recovery is different.
Not sure about that - Cillian's average from play (where he's played more than 1 half of football) is 1.95 over 85 games, of those 60 are championship games it's 2.4. Ryan's is 1.35 over 29 (where he's played more than one half), and in the 11 championship games he's featured for more than a half it's 1.45 from play.
I would agree that Carney looks the most promising. it is the consistent delivery of performance which most fall down on...one day good....next day barely touch the ball. You would expect that for the first year but after that it needs to go. You can live with one player like this in the team but we just have too many of them. On top of this, some experienced guys have lost their mojo so we need those guys back on song next year and then a few experienced guys are probably not good enough any more. There is another handy all Ireland for the taking next year and Kerry in particular have got their fair share of them over the years. Tyrone last year and Kerry this year. Time for us to get one.
That's a good insight and interesting. How now can they gel together to lift those averages or at the very least maintain them? Would be interesting to compare with other prolific team's players and see if these are ahead or behind. Given that garnering scores from our forwards and play has been our challenge, I suspect it may be behind.
Note that Cillian has also defensive qualities as well where he is tenacious in tackling from the front and setting up the other forwards to attack kick outs. I suspect Ryan has learned/modeled some of this behaviour.
How come Mayo never win those handy All-Irelands ? Serious question.
The time for us to get one was the time Tyrone got one.
I never understand this handy All Ireland talk. Tyrone beat Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and ourselves to win in 2021. Kerry beat us, Dublin and Galway this year. What constitutes a difficult All Ireland win?
Galway 98 was handy
Mayo 04/06 was handy. When I mean handy, I am pitting the Dublin teams that won 6 in a row and the quality of footballers they had and played. Match that against Kerry and Tyrone in the last two years. Big difference imo. Galway this year are a mirror picture of us from 2021. That is what I mean by Handy. Dubs would have done Kerry in the semi this year if they had COC and the dubs are not what they used to be. Quality has slipped imo
100% as this was there for the taking .
Most times we just were not good enough and probably punched above our weight to get to a final (pre 2012) and the others we met a serious dub team who just had the better of us. We have a habit of making daft decisions in finals as well both as players and managers.
Would argue we made that Dublin team great. Kerry still kicking themselves after the 2011 final and we should have been 10 points up at half time on the 2013 final, instead we left them in it and the rest is history. I'd say cork 1989, a fragile team who has lost two all Irelands in a row Meath 1996 were the two that mostly got away. Trajectory could have been some much different if coyles shot had bounced wide or into a backs hands
If you're only talking about finals, Dublin were dreadful in the 2016 final. They could hardly kick a score in the first half. Tyrone in the final last year kicked a few excellent long range points and got an outstanding goal.
I would thank this twice if I could. It’s so true. Mayo have handed a few counties all Ireland medals by beating the main competiture ie Dublin. Unfortunately it’s in semi finals but the alternative is 10 in a row. I told everyone that Dublin would beat Tyrone by 10 points any day they played including last year and people laughed at me
Just catching up, happy enough with the McStay appointment, disappointed for Dempsey on a personal level.
I doubt Dempsey was ever going to take Toxic Tim's money, he'd have more sense, even if he didn't think your man was a willy waving liability he'd know it wouldn't fly with the CB.
From what I heard around town McStay had agreed to take over Ballina next year, they were looking for a one year only ticket this year which meant they got a few refusals before the current group took it.
Was at a funeral in Irishtown during the week and all the talk was of where we were getting these high scoring forwards. Conor McStay and Justin Healy were both mentioned but out from that we were struggling to pick lads that weren't already involved but agreed if you have Tommy, ROD and COC you probably have the bulk of your scores anyway, that the remainder just need to pick up 5-6 points per game.
Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how he gets on and what way he plays. The best of luck to him
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So Mayo beat the main 'Competiture' ('21)once to hand another County a handy All-Ireland or have you more examples ? I think you trying to say Mayo just poxed beating Dublin that day and should not have been in an AIF.
So Kerry 04,06,Tyrone 21, Kerry 22 were all handy AI, any more ? If Mayo win it in 23 will that be handy because Dublin have slipped back.
Cork 2010 was a handy win for them against a pretty average Down team.
Do you always disregard Connacht teams as handy teams to beat or just when it's not Mayo? 2010 Cork beat the Connacht Champions by 9 points in the QF, a Dublin team in the semi who the following year would win the All-Ireland. Cork also were in the middle of their 4 or 5 league titles in a row at the time.
I think on the balance of the discussion you can count that Down team as average.
They didn't do a whole lot leading up to 2010 and they didn't do anything of note afterwards. It's a lot different than beating a team in a final that has sustained high levels of performances over a number of years.
You are asking and I am telling you who I think. No idea where you are getting this Connaught bias except for Mayo. 2004/2006 Mayo teams are examples that I gave as well.
Totally. I think it's pretty fair to say that a team needs a consistent level of performances in croke park before they start beating teams who are consistently making semi finals. This year coming is huge for Galway because if the fail to make it to the quarter/semi, it will be viewed as dropping back. Armagh also need to push on as well after this season past. These teams didn't have that pressure on them in the same level as the year coming. It will be interesting to see how they perform with this added pressure.
Winning Connaught is crucial for getting a handy run in croke park..... Really brought galway on this Yr.
It'll be sum match in salthill if galway mayo clash..!!!!!
Definitely gave Galway a huge opportunity this year avoiding Tyrone Dublin and Kerry to get to an All Ireland final, that doesn't happen every year. Although Armagh were arguably a bigger challenge than Tyrone this year to be fair!
But it matters less this year.
Whomever wins it likely gets to the Connacht final and gets straight into the group stages.
Whomever loses it will still get in as a third seed by virtue of being a Div 1 team.
And since 2nd and 3rd place teams playoff after the group stages then the chances of making the quarters are still high.
Plus you cannot "avoid" anyone in the quarters or semifinals.
Quarters are open draw group winners v winner of 2nd/3rd playoff.
Semi finals are open draw of quarter finals winners.
While it gives them the opportunity to make the final, they were not ready for a final. It showed in the final when some of their key players did not turn up and it is really a big ask to win it considering that they have not been at the latter end of championship for a good while. You really need to be a special team to win at the first time now.
But since Galway were the Connaught Champions they were always on the opposite side to Leinster and Munster or at least that is what I always thought so they were always going to avoid the Dubs/Kerry.
Well yeah that's my point
In 2022 the winners of Mayo v Galway gave themselves a huge opportunity to get to an All Ireland final because it meant they would always avoid Kerry and Dublin of they went on to win Connacht.
That will not be the case in 2023.
It can't be mapped out that way.
Ok, I was not aware of that for 2023
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