Jobbridge 2.0

Grab All Association

It’s back baby!

https://twitter.com/ceannabhain/status/1415983571123179524?s=21

SCOOP 64

SCOOP 64

I spoke to 3 different people today bemoaning unable to recruit apprentices

Cant see anyone biting for a jobbridge scheme at a deli counter in present climate

SCOOP 64

That's me out of a job when my boss here's of this

SCOOP 64

Dont like this new boards at all!

fun loving criminal

Take on someone and put them at risk of contracting covid on crap pay. Hope these workplaces have good insurance because I'd be going all out with these fückers.

fun loving criminal

Also how will a scheme like this work with covid around?

Surely anyone can claim distress and stress due to a lack of safety measures or even having to wear face masks. Can people actually sue workplaces for this type of stress/lack of safety measures?

Potential-Monke

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117621954#Comment_117621954

I'll let you know once my place tries to force me back in in a couple of months.

fun loving criminal

Just a few things about this. How did they decide to put people out of work and give them the pandemic unemployment payment of €350 a week. €350 a week was what was needed to get by. How are they are expecting people to work for less now?

Looking up online, there is plenty of information online for those taking up a placement. Yet no information about the host organisation and how the scheme will be monitored.

The government's review of jobbridge 1.0 found that companies put people out of work and replaced by someone they didn't have to pay. Yet, here they are ignoring all that and going ahead again with another exploitation scheme.

This exploitation of people shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Tony EH

^

We have a long history of our governments ignoring precedent and ploughing on anyway. The fact that they are choosing to ignore the obvious problems with farming out cheap labour to companies who'll exploit it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622387#Comment_117622387

I had a look at a few of these placements and they're worded the same, it's about gaining meaningful work experience.

At the same time, they are taking away a meaningful job from someone else.

RulesOfNature

Who is 'they' exactly? When did they bring this back? And who did? Give me names.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622372#Comment_117622372

How is it exploitation? Nobody is making anyone do this scheme, it's completely optional.

I think it's a good idea, it'll give people an opportunity to get some work experience in a new line of work and give them a taste for it. Especially those that have lost their jobs due to Covid. There's certain industries that may never bounce back. If I was in one if them I would jumping at a chance to get into something different using this scheme. If they don't like it or they find their not getting the experience, they can simply leave.

I know loads of people that used Jobbridge to get their foot in the door and into a job they wouldve never had a chance of securing had Jobbridge not been around.

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622684#Comment_117622684

These schemes are never optional when they threaten to cut your social welfare if you don't take up a placement.

I will be out of a job at the end of my contract because of this. That is a guarantee. I currently get 470euro a week after tax. I will end up unemployed for 6 months so that I can take up one of these positions because no employers are hiring properly.

So it's putting me out of work and many others and for someone else to be forced into a position they might not want at all. And I'll end up with 170euro less per week.

Someone explain that to me? I completely agree with the experience part but it should be the old fashioned way of actually hiring someone and offering them a meaningful job. Not exploitation of the unemployed.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622906#Comment_117622906

It says the scheme is voluntary so they can't cut your payment. So it is optional. Completely at the person's choice as to whether they do the scheme or not.

I don't know what industry you're in but your statement that no employers are hiring currently is completely incorrect. Companies are crying out for staff currently.

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117623391#Comment_117623391

This working scheme was only introduced this week. Give employers some time to find out about it. You wait and see.

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117623391#Comment_117623391

Also, they said it was voluntary for that last jobbridge scheme, and that is what they ended up doing. Forcing people onto these schemes because if you don't you're not showing how determined you are to get work.

Borrowed time

Local business man is rubbing his hands at the moment.Boasting how he will be as to get employees for next to nothing while he drives around in his brand new car.The country is a disgrace and now the SEETEC JOBPATH joke being extended.More money being paid to a private company which isn't even Irish.

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117623792#Comment_117623792

Probably putting them in public facing "job", and putting them at risk for catching covid as well. It's a disgrace that they are doing this again but not only that putting their health at risk on top of it.

B.A._Baracus

This crap again?

It'll get abused by so many employers. Just like before.

Yurt2

As Seamus Joyce once wrote: "Ireland is the old sow that eats her farrow". Never a truer sentence written in the English language.

I see the young are again being teed up to pay the price for the current economic storm. No emigration release valve this time so if they try to put an entire generation through "internships" in delis we could see trouble. I hope this blows up in their face.

The Mighty Quinn

I did a 6 month stint on job bridge 1.0 back in summer 2011.

Something like 243 a week for a 40hr job, and I'd to move to Dublin to do it. Worked in ballsbridge, lived in fairview. Needed to walk each way as no money for buses after rent and bills and food.

Still. It got me some good experience, I left the job bridge position for a paid role. Haven't been out of work in the last decade.

Tony EH

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117625598#Comment_117625598

I wonder who lost their job so the employer could hire you on Jobbridge.

The Mighty Quinn

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626081#Comment_117626081

Bit cynical there Tony!

fryup

will you be Turas Nua'ed into doing it?🤐

Dempo1

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622372#Comment_117622372

Just to clarify, correct initial PUP was €350 pw across the board but important to point out since last September rates dropped reflecting previous earnings, in essence more that half of recepients had rate reduced, many as low as €203 pw, at a guess not more than 12% actually retained full rate of €350 and from the 7th September students returning to education loosing it all together and those on current lowest rate moving to what is being described as Jobseekers terms (whatever that means)

Obviously there's need to review all pandemic supports and come up with creative ways regarding job creation, up skilling etc, I'm not sure govs recent announcements will offer much hope but as long as that appalling and horrendously expensive non results Jobspath is not in the mix, I'd be supportive of anything that offers genuine support rather than schemes that just serve to mask unemployment figures.

mcsean2163

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117623391#Comment_117623391

If they're crying out for staff why introduce jobsbridge? I can remember 2014 getting relatively well paid contract working in a company that had hired extensively from jobsbridge. It was very stressful, how do you justify getting paid full wage while the others are on jobsbridge?

So yes, I think jobsbridge is very difficult for employees in the private sector on non lifetime government contracts, depresses wages in general and means the government (read private sector employees/ business) has to sponsor a scheme that reduces the number of real jobs.

On the flip side, it's probably very helpful for startups with little cash.

MacronvFrugals

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117623391#Comment_117623391

oh the naivety!

don’t you remember the last Jobsbridge scheme?

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117625564#Comment_117625564

This scheme is not just for the young. It's for those between 18-65. So a 50 year old should have experience and have transferrable skills already built up but that's not good enough.

Dempo1

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626949#Comment_117626949

For eternity various governmentshave assumed skills are easily transferable. It might be the case for certain skills, age cohorts but frankly impossible in some situations.

I've been helping a 59/60 year old neighbour who spent his entire life on building sites in unskilled rolls navigate and engage (discretely) with a shower from Jobspath. You couldn't actually make up some of the tasks requested of him, I'm taking about someone who thinks what's app is an expression of a greeting.

Hounded weekly and I might add remotely from a recruitment consultant (that's all they are) sitting at home on their useless fat A**** being essentially paid by the state at enormous cost to cajole people into wholly unsuitable work. My neighbour even asked if he could do a community employment scheme I stead, no, no, no was the attitude. These Jobspath companies get fees as long as clients are engaged. To date well over €200 million wasted and less than 8% job retention achieved and that's only those lasting 12 months.

It's a bizzare thing to say but it would be far more cost affective just to leave a certain cohort on a basic social welfare payment.

So, the Government brings in a scheme that will help someone unemployed for at least 6 months, upskill while getting minimum wage and they’re being castigated for their efforts?

I benefitted from the old JobBridge scheme and gained full time employment up until my retirement. It may not suit everyone, but was a godsend for me.

Im sure that the likes of Paul Murphy will be spouting the nonsense that the poor unemployed are being forced to work for a pittance when the facts are that they’re being given on the job training for minimum wage plus a €1,000 grant.

MacronvFrugals

Lest we forget…

https://www.thejournal.ie/subway-sandwich-artist-jobsbridge-internship-1722566-Oct2014/

Tony EH

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626414#Comment_117626414

Perhaps Quinn. But it happened. It definitely happened to a couple of friends of mine, so my cynicism is based on real life events.

Not saying this is on you though. 🙂

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627090#Comment_117627090

Why is the state picking up the tab to pay to train deli assistants?

Ramp up corporation tax to 40% before asking anyone to support this farce

Tony EH

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117626949#Comment_117626949

Experience means fuck all in the current world of job seeking. It's all about how low you're willing to go.

At a jobs fair I was told that a lot of employers don't even count any experience on a CV if it's beyond 10 years ago.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627323#Comment_117627323

Just because one position advertised was for a Deli assistant doesn’t mean that that’s all is on offer. I gained invaluable experience in office admin when I did JobBridge.

There are always some who refuse to see any good in these schemes, just as there are some who will try to abuse it. It’s up to each individual whether or not they allow themselves be so abused or if they grab the opportunity to learn a new skill or brush up on outdated ones.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627367#Comment_117627367

If one position is allowed to be abused....it devalues entire system and if abuse can be stopped,time to scrap it imo

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627636#Comment_117627636

It can only be abused if people let it / and themselves be abused. I theory, it’s a great idea and many people have benefitted from the original one.

Yurt2

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627090#Comment_117627090

"On the job training"

Spivtacular

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627636#Comment_117627636

Scambridge is a good page to follow on Facebook. It's only in the first week of the new scheme and already a deli assistant, a car wash assistant and a general office assistant has been advertised.

Yurt2

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627852#Comment_117627852

Stupid Russian serfs, allowing themselves to be abused like that.

Spiv level 10 post

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627852#Comment_117627852

If those overseeing/administaring it,cant stop it being abused,scrap it..

Easy enough solution to stop it being abused....

whether government wants to perpetuate this type messing is another thing.....if they make same mistake over and over here,looks to me like its a concious choice

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627852#Comment_117627852

I don't think you understand. People are being forced into being abused. They threaten to cut your social welfare benefits if you don't take up one of these positions. They can say it's optional all they like, it very much isn't when someone is faced with their payment being stopped.

fun loving criminal

Yurt2

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627894#Comment_117627894

They'll have a hard time pulling this stunt twice.

Wether it's the explicit intent of the government or not (who knows what's going on in their collective bird feeder), this has the effect of driving down the value of labour and is not a good thing for the economy at large.

fun loving criminal

Reading up on the introduction of this scheme and they talk about getting people into employment after the pandemic. Yet they have information for a participant on what happens if you test positive or requested to self isolate while on placement. That doesn't sound like after the pandemic at all.

MacronvFrugals

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627920#Comment_117627920

In a government commissioned report on any alterations to a future Jobsbridge scheme Indecon recommended nine changes, of that nine only two were actually carried over into the new scheme we have today

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117627903#Comment_117627903

No, they’re not. It is optional. Try doing a bit of research for yourself.

fun loving criminal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117628012#Comment_117628012

Do you not remember how jobbridge was also "optional"?

They threatened to cut people's entitlements by taking up a position. That's putting fear into them and forcing them to take up a position. That is not optional by putting fear into people.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117628134#Comment_117628134

Not so. Unemployed people applied for places on the scheme. I think that you’re mistaking it for TUS or Turas Nua. Unemployed people should be willing to take any chance to improve their skills.