All the government hate on F.B

air assault

Over the last few years i've noticed that any FB/Insta post that is linked to the government or any of the ruling political parties in coalition, leads to hundreds of comments all berating them, some of them even even insulting their personal lives etc, a lot seem to be from fake accounts..... whats that all about?

Also please note i'm not affiliated with any political party. Just curious. It seems nowadays the government gets blamed for everything.

fryup

it's the S.F. propaganda machine, it never sleeps

Ubbquittious

Most people do hate them, it's just the bloody oddballs on boards who seem to love them & look forward to their property tax bill arriving

Cee-Jay-Cee

Its all deserved. The government have made an absolute dogs arse of absolutely everything over the last 18 months, they are constantly on the back foot, do not seem to have any plan or any idea what they are doing. The hate is well deserved.

WesternZulu

In general there are an awful lot of people online will blame the government for anything instead of taking some personal responsibility for things in their own life.

The issue with Covid is a bit trickier. Yes, it would be good if the country was a bit more open but you can't say they have made a complete mess of things when the death rate is far lower than most other European countries and the economy is growing at a faster rate.

quokula

Unfortunately SF have learned a lot from the populist playbook that gave Trump and Brexit so much success, utilising social media to spread their propaganda and misinformation and people have fallen for it.

Simple, comforting lies are always more appealing than complex truths.

EmmetSpiceland

quokula wrote: »

Unfortunately SF have learned a lot from the populist playbook that gave Trump and Brexit so much success, utilising social media to spread their propaganda and misinformation and people have fallen for it.

Simple, comforting lies are always more appealing than complex truths.

Yes but now with have the “Tea Party” wing on Twitter with the pirate flag beside their handle. A sure sign of a complete oddball/malcontent.

quokula

WesternZulu wrote: »

In general there are an awful lot of people online will blame the government for anything instead of taking some personal responsibility for things in their own life.

The issue with Covid is a bit trickier. Yes, it would be good if the country was a bit more open but you can't say they have made a complete mess of things when the death rate is far lower than most other European countries and the economy is growing at a faster rate.

On covid, we're the victims of having a pretty careful government determined to listen to experts and minimise deaths, while also being the only country in Europe that has a land border with the UK, who have seemed determined to let the virus run free for most of the pandemic. And of course it got more complicated when they got ahead of the EU on vaccines, allowing them to be even more reckless and let in more dangerous variants which inevitably spilled over onto us.

Most people in Ireland define the pandemic by having to forgo a few pints in the pub, they don't realise that so many people in other countries define it by the relatives they've been left to mourn.

quokula

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Yes but now with have the “Tea Party” wing on Twitter with the pirate flag beside their handle. A sure sign of a complete oddball/malcontent.

Yeah it comes from all sides with a simplistic argument to make, far right and far left.

FlubberJones

quokula wrote: »

On covid, we're the victims of having a pretty careful government determined to listen to experts and minimise deaths, while also being the only country in Europe that has a land border with the UK, who have seemed determined to let the virus run free for most of the pandemic. And of course it got more complicated when they got ahead of the EU on vaccines, allowing them to be even more reckless and let in more dangerous variants which inevitably spilled over onto us.

Most people in Ireland define the pandemic by having to forgo a few pints in the pub, they don't realise that so many people in other countries define it by the relatives they've been left to mourn.

What a load of bollox

Fann Linn

quokula wrote: »

On covid, we're the victims of having a pretty careful government determined to listen to experts and minimise deaths, while also being the only country in Europe that has a land border with the UK, who have seemed determined to let the virus run free for most of the pandemic. And of course it got more complicated when they got ahead of the EU on vaccines, allowing them to be even more reckless and let in more dangerous variants which inevitably spilled over onto us.

Most people in Ireland define the pandemic by having to forgo a few pints in the pub, they don't realise that so many people in other countries define it by the relatives they've been left to mourn.

Hi Stephen

WesternZulu

FlubberJones wrote: »

What a load of bollox

Is it though? The economy is predicted to grow 11% this year while our death rates associated with Covid-19 are lower than most other European countries. These are hard cold facts.

This is despite sharing and land border with the UK along with Brexit in the background.

I'd like to know what people define as successful - lives have been saved and the economy is in a very healthy position - surely that's a good balancing act.

Stark

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Most people do hate them, it's just the bloody oddballs on boards who seem to love them & look forward to their property tax bill arriving

It's funny how socialists in Ireland seem to have a bee in their bonnet about wealth taxes.

murpho999

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Its all deserved. The government have made an absolute dogs arse of absolutely everything over the last 18 months, they are constantly on the back foot, do not seem to have any plan or any idea what they are doing. The hate is well deserved.

This plan thing always gets me.

How do you make a plan for unprecedented event that is constantly changing and can only be assessed when data comes in and also what happens with new strains of the virus.

No plan but people are somehow getting vaccinated through a now efficient program.
Most restrictions are eased and there's a schedule for the rest with the real difficulty being pubs and restaurants that has people up in arms.

sameoldname

Because to people on the left, everyone to the right of them is is dickhead and to everyone on the right, everybody to the left of them is an arsehole and for some reason neither side can ever shut the **** up about it.

Now, combine that with a pretty much centrist government and this is what you end up with.

Tommybojangles

Because people have sh!t lives and want someone to blame. Any right thinking person would see we've done a good job covid wise considering the disadvantage we have with the brits. Obviously mistakes were made but it's been safety first most of the time and rightly so given the nature of the situation.

I did vote for one of the government parties last year but it was the first time I ever had and it was only out of fear of what I saw from SF and their online army

Stark

Stark wrote: »

It's funny how socialists in Ireland seem to have a bee in their bonnet about wealth taxes.

I sometimes call them the tea party left. Generally an anti tax movement.

maccored

WesternZulu wrote: »

Is it though? The economy is predicted to grow 11% this year while our death rates associated with Covid-19 are lower than most other European countries. These are hard cold facts.

This is despite sharing and land border with the UK along with Brexit in the background.

I'd like to know what people define as successful - lives have been saved and the economy is in a very healthy position - surely that's a good balancing act.

the cold hard facts are that the larger corps are making the profit from the economy growing. this growing economy doesn't always find its way back to the man on the street.

rossie1977

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Its all deserved. The government have made an absolute dogs arse of absolutely everything over the last 18 months, they are constantly on the back foot, do not seem to have any plan or any idea what they are doing. The hate is well deserved.

How?

Our hospital capacity never reached critical at any point. There weren't people dying on the street or without care as we saw in some countries with better health services than our own.

Everyone has been on back foot. It's a once in a lifetime event that is constantly changing.

The government have been over cautious for sure. Practically past few weeks in terms of reopening but to say they f**ked up everyone past 18 months is miles wide of the mark.

FlubberJones

Tommybojangles wrote: »

Because people have sh!t lives and want someone to blame. Any right thinking person would see we've done a good job covid wise considering the disadvantage we have with the brits. Obviously mistakes were made but it's been safety first most of the time and rightly so given the nature of the situation.

I did vote for one of the government parties last year but it was the first time I ever had and it was only out of fear of what I saw from SF and their online army

You seem to have an issue with the "British" and also a self serving view of this never ending series of restrictions.

FlubberJones

rossie1977 wrote: »

How?

Our hospital capacity never reached critical at any point. There weren't people dying on the street or without care as we saw in some countries with better health services than our own.

Everyone has been on back foot. It's a once in a lifetime event that is constantly changing.

The government have been over cautious for sure. Practically past few weeks in terms of reopening but to say they f**ked up everyone past 18 months is miles wide of the mark.

Far better to say that your government is so far out of its depth and that everything they have done and continue to do is either a fluke if it works or expected if it fails... and now they blindly follow NPHET into the mire of further restrictions.

Tommybojangles

FlubberJones wrote: »

You seem to have an issue with the "British" and also a self serving view of this never ending series of restrictions.

Amazing how quickly you get accused of racism and when you try to talk sense. "Have a problem with the Brits" 😅 and yet don't like Sinn Fein.

And as someone who was out of work for 3 months and still on heavily reduced salary for the time being this lockdown isn't serving me at all, apart from keeping my parents / grandparents alive.

Tommybojangles

FlubberJones wrote: »

Far better to say that your government is so far out of its depth and that everything they have done and continue to do is either a fluke if it works or expected if it fails... and now they blindly follow NPHET into the mire of further restrictions.

Right well when someone comes out and says anything that goes Right is a fluke and anything that goes wrong is a a disaster that's end of thread for me 👍
Adios!

rossie1977

FlubberJones wrote: »

Far better to say that your government is so far out of its depth and that everything they have done and continue to do is either a fluke if it works or expected if it fails... and now they blindly follow NPHET into the mire of further restrictions.

Yeah we should have tried the herd immunity route and then few weeks later closed it all up because it wasn't working or told our citizens to inject bleach or make our own vaccine that is completely unsafe that nobody will take or hold huge election rallies or tell everyone everything is fine.

I will take our approach over some of the goofball leaders in the most powerful countries on earth.

FlubberJones

Tommybojangles wrote: »

Right well when someone comes out and says anything that goes Right is a fluke and anything that goes wrong is a a disaster that's end of thread for me 👍
Adios!

I doubt it, you're supporting the restrictions... you'll be back to wallow in the misery here.

Geuze

And yet people think TD are overpaid on 96k a year.

It seems like a job where you are never off-duty, and have to take flak 24/7 from the general public.

And you earn less than a mid-career accountant in Dublin.

growleaves

The standard of living has been bled out since 2008 and it is only going to get worse.

If government hate upsets you then prepare to be even more unhappy in the years ahead.

Plus the restrictions also lower quality of life obviously, though luckily they are only 'temporary' at 16 months and counting.

B.A._Baracus

So many moaners and weirdos out there so Facebook and Instagram would be full of them. Plus being a keyboard warrior is enticing to many :pac:

As for the government they're a shower of arseholes too. But what people fail to realise its just a job. You come off as a man of the people and what not. Its fake. Its a show. Its like a play. All lies.
All you care about is the paycheck. Sure, you'll do a bit to keep your job. But no matter what you do, be it good or bad, people are going to moan. Another reason to not care :pac:

AllForIt

Facebook seems to have improved a lot since I left it many years go. Think I might rejoin.

beggars_bush

Geuze wrote: »

And yet people think TD are overpaid on 96k a year.

It seems like a job where you are never off-duty, and have to take flak 24/7 from the general public.

And you earn less than a mid-career accountant in Dublin.

Where are these mid career jobs paying that?

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

And yet people think TD are overpaid on 96k a year.

It seems like a job where you are never off-duty, and have to take flak 24/7 from the general public.

And you earn less than a mid-career accountant in Dublin.

Just aswell,they gave emsleves a wee payrise today then :yawn:

https://www.joe.ie/news/tds-basic-salary-rise-e100000-today-725406

pgj2015

I find people who hate the government are either long term unemployed or have a $hit job. For some reason that is the governments fault, not the fact they are lazy or thick, or both.

For Forks Sake

Deleted User wrote: »

Just aswell,they gave emsleves a wee payrise today then :yawn:

https://www.joe.ie/news/tds-basic-salary-rise-e100000-today-725406

They didn't "give themselves a payrise", it's linked to increments awarded to civil/public servants and comes into affect at the same time.

The practice of TDs deciding on their own pay was gotten rid of after the sh1tehawkery that went on in the Bertie Ahern era.

whisky_galore

Ubbquittious wrote: »

Most people do hate them, it's just the bloody oddballs on boards who seem to love them & look forward to their property tax bill arriving

Funny that "most people" voted for the ones currently wielding actual power. Democracy is a bitch.

Wonder why "most people" didn't vote en masse for the free money parties; SF, the socialist alphabet soup parties or the right wingers with mad heads up on them??

buried

whisky_galore wrote: »

Funny that "most people" voted for the ones currently wielding actual power. Democracy is a bitch.

Wonder why "most people" didn't vote en masse for the free money parties; SF, the socialist alphabet soup parties or the right wingers with mad heads up on them??

Actually, they didn't. Check out the individual percentages of the votes for the individual parties in 2020.

Strumms

quokula wrote: »

Unfortunately SF have learned a lot from the populist playbook that gave Trump and Brexit so much success, utilising social media to spread their propaganda and misinformation and people have fallen for it.

Simple, comforting lies are always more appealing than complex truths.

This, and if some individual is rambling on about SF or on their propaganda wagon / machine they’d be getting deleted or muted or whatever.... I don’t go on FB to have to sift through all that crap.

usernamegoes

buried wrote: »

Actually, they didn't. Check out the individual percentages of the votes for the individual parties in 2020.

It's nonsense like this and the "7th-Count-Leo" or "Not My Taoiseach" bull that is very worrying. SF's terrorist links are enough of a treat to our democracy without all their supporters thinking our government is illegitimate regardless of how much you dislike them.

buried

usernamegoes wrote: »

It's nonsense like this and the "7th-Count-Leo" or "Not My Taoiseach" bull that is very worrying. SF's terrorist links are enough of a treat to our democracy without all their supporters thinking our government is illegitimate regardless of how much you dislike them.

What's nonsense about it? Check the actual individual percentage votes for the individual political parties, and while you are at it check out what exactly those political parties promised they would never do, like going into any sort of coalition with each other 24 hours before the actual vote, instead of trying to label me or anyone else as a terrorist or whatever else you are having, while you sit there perplexed why everyone isn't sitting in a blissful utopia like yourself.

usernamegoes

buried wrote: »

What's nonsense about it? Check the actual individual percentage votes for the individual political parties, and while you are at it check out what exactly those political parties promised they would never do, like going into any sort of coalition with each other 24 hours before the actual vote, instead of trying to label me or anyone else as a terrorist or whatever else you are having, while you sit there perplexed why everyone isn't sitting in a blissful utopia like yourself.

The government parties have the most votes. It's basic stuff. Our system encourages coalition governments.

SF have a convicted terrorist as a TD so I will certainly label them terrorists. If the shoe fits...

buried

usernamegoes wrote: »

The government parties have the most votes. It's basic stuff. Our system encourages coalition governments.

Telling the truth is basic stuff too, which the main two parties in FF and FG failed to do when they both stated they would never go into coalition with each other literally 24 hours before the election.

Stop equating my posts with 'Terrorism' just because I am calling you out on what actually happened. Its not clever and unfortunately for you, it doesn't work.

For Forks Sake

For Forks Sake wrote: »

They didn't "give themselves a payrise", it's linked to increments awarded to civil/public servants and comes into affect at the same time.

The practice of TDs deciding on their own pay was gotten rid of after the sh1tehawkery that went on in the Bertie Ahern era.

Hmm.

Members of Cabinet signed off on the measures on Thursday to restore the wages of civil servants including TDs

Looks.to.me.they given emselves a payrise anyway

I see sheep

The Government is absolutey useless.

usernamegoes

buried wrote: »

Telling the truth is basic stuff too, which the main two parties in FF and FG failed to do when they both stated they would never go into coalition with each other literally 24 hours before the election.

Stop equating my posts with 'Terrorism' just because I am calling you out on what actually happened. Its not clever and unfortunately for you, it doesn't work.

I said SF is a party linked to terrorists. People who vote for them sadly support terrorism or don't care they are terrorists. That is indisputable.

For Forks Sake

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmm.




Looks.to.me.they given emselves a payrise anyway

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pay-boost-for-higher-level-civil-and-public-service-staff-including-tds-1.4608071

Higher-level civil and public service personnel including TDs are to receive a pay boost from Thursday with the restoration of cuts made previously under financial emergency legislation.

Civil and public servants earning between €70,000 and €150,000 will benefit from the final rowing back of austerity-era pay cuts from the beginning of July as provided for under the Public Service Pay and Pensions Act in 2017.

It is understood that on average the grades concerned will see their pay increase by between 1.5 per cent and 2 per cent as part of the new restoration process.

The pay rate for TDs will increase from €98,113, which it reached at the end of last October, to €100,191 – the rate that applied in 2008 prior to the application of various cuts under financial emergency legislation.

The pay of TDs is linked to the principal officer grade in the civil service.

usernamegoes

usernamegoes wrote: »

I said SF is a party linked to terrorists. People who vote for them sadly support terrorism or don't care they are terrorists. That is indisputable.

Arent all the main parties linked back to terrorism??

Afaik fg are even linked to facism of the 1930s?....the logical outwork of your position is yous view fg voters as support facism,or they dont care about its fasist links?

For Forks Sake

For Forks Sake wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pay-boost-for-higher-level-civil-and-public-service-staff-including-tds-1.4608071

is it true,they wouldnt have gotten this pay rise without cabinet signing off?



Beat about bush all yous want mate,its obvious to me they given emselves a payrise anyway,

TefalBrain

The hate is well earned. They are a disgrace and history will not be kind.

buried

usernamegoes wrote: »

Who equated your posts to terrorism. I said SF is a party linked to terrorists. People who vote for them sadly support terrorism or don't care they are terrorists. That is indisputable.

I don't give two monkeys f**ks about Sinn Fein or any other utterly inept and failed political entity that exists on this island. They are all liars to me, all out for their own paycheck for the drama. But you did equate my first post with trying to show me being a Sinn Fein supporter, which is bull$hit. All I did was state the truth about the numbers, the facts. Which is this, FF and FG didn't collect the majority of the individual vote, the Green Party run by their superiors in Germany sure as Hell didn't collect it either. But now we are stuck with them and none of them are in any position to lead. They don't want to lead. They are only out for their own ignorant, selfish and egotistical end.

For Forks Sake

Deleted User wrote: »

is it true,they wouldnt have gotten this pay rise without cabinet signing off?



Beat about bush all yous want mate,its obvious to me they given emselves a payrise anyway,

TD's pay is linked to Civil Service rates.
Civil Service are due increment as laid out in the 2017 agreement.
By default TDs rate moves in line.

Would you want to be the TD to inform civil servants that they aren't getting their agreed pay? Instant career suicide.

usernamegoes

Deleted User wrote: »

Arent all the main parties linked back to terrorism??

Afaik fg are even linked to facism of the 1930s?....the logical outwork of your position is yous view fg voters as support facism,or they dont care about its fasist links?

Which member of FG is a convicted bomber? You're right, I wouldn't have voted for any member of FG back then who was linked to a blueshirt. Same as I wouldn't have voted for a member of the US democratic party who supported slavery but I would vote for some of them in the party now.

Maybe if SF purges its terrorists TDs. Sniper at work signs. Up the RA bull**** then they can become a respectable party.

Fann Linn

usernamegoes wrote: »

Which member of FG is a convicted bomber? You're right, I wouldn't have voted for any member of FG back then who was linked to a blueshirt. Same as I wouldn't have voted for a member of the US democratic party who supported slavery but I would vote for some of them in the party now.

Maybe if SF purges its terrorists TDs. Sniper at work signs. Up the RA bull**** then they can become a respectable party.

Has he served his time?