SUV is now needed

Leslie Purkiss

Hi,

On the recent arrival of kid no. 2, we've decided that the space provided by an SUV is now needed. We have a budget of between €30k - €45k and would prefer to get a hybrid engine. We'll go with a used vehicle as well. Some guidance on options would be much appreciated. Thanks.

User1998

You need to be a bit more specific in what you want, you could get a 1 year old Skoda Kodiaq for €45k or an 8 year old Range Rover for the same money

PaulRyan97

Do you want a regular hybrid or a plug-in hybrid?

What sort of driving do you do? Can you charge at home? We'll need a few details.

colm_mcm

You’d get a new Tucson hybrid within budget.

Leslie Purkiss

Thanks for the responses.

I'm thinking so going for a used hybrid (plug-in or regular) and a premium badge as both may help to retain value. We'd want to keep the car for at least 5 years.

Fils

Do you need 4wd?

colm_mcm

Leslie Purkiss wrote: »

Thanks for the responses.

I'm thinking so going for a used hybrid (plug-in or regular) and a premium badge as both may help to retain value. We'd want to keep the car for at least 5 years.

You’ll lose a heap on any €45k car, especially as used prices are artificially high at the moment.

rn

I'm in same boat as yourself. I upgraded a large saloon (vw passat) to a tiguan. I have to admit I only upgraded because opportunity came up and it was easy to do.

Note think through carefully your requirements. SUV are fashionable for young families. They are very versatile, especially when family aren't on board. They've a nice driving position. They've lots of metal around you, so give an illusion of safety.

SUV have lots of disadvantages. The boots are not that big, especially for buggies. They are significantly harder on fuel in real world terms in my experience. We've a Skoda Octavia 2.0 Tdi, same engine. That will do 4.5l/100km easily in mixed driving. The tiguan is at the 6.5l/100km. My brother has a Honda crv turbo petrol. It drinks petrol.

There's nothing wrong with upgrading to one if you want one. The audi one q5 is lovely. The tiguan and skoda are nice and you can get the 7 seat version to get bit extra boot.

If you really need a future proof car for space and expanding family, jog on from SUV and look at grand scenic, smax or galaxy for true big space. Those can take 3 kids across the back meaning you have true boot space.

bazz26

What sort of daily mileage to you do OP? Do you have the ability to charge at home? If so then a new VW ID.4 is within your price range. I'd imagine if your looking to retain strong resale values then it's certainly a contender. I think VW are doing 0% APR via PCP on them also at the moment.

walshtipp

What about a Rav4 hybrid? The Toyota hybrid system is probably the best in the business and your budget would get you a decent spec model. Toyotas also have great resale value.

Example: https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/toyota-rav4-rav4-hybrid-luna-2wd/26957601

Lantus

The 5008 with rear 2 seats down is a boot monster.

For a normal car the octavia or superb.

Mild hybrid is a bit of a nonsense. The full electric is likely the better option but options limited in family sized cars like enyaq or id4.

If it's no extra cost then great, no harm done but don't spend for mild hybrid. Likely you will never see any benefit but it's great for virtue signalling.

Fils

That 5008 is for someone who has given up on life. Hideous thing.

Lantus

Fils wrote: »

That 5008 is for someone who has given up on life. Hideous thing.

In your opinion......

The J Stands for Jay

Fils wrote: »

That 5008 is for someone who has given up on life. Hideous thing.

I don't think anyone is buying SUVs for their looks until you get to an Alfa or Jag. The U stands for Utility.

Fils

Lantus wrote: »

In your opinion......

It’s not forever you can trade it in two years for half its price.

Buddy Bubs

colm_mcm wrote: »

You’ll lose a heap on any €45k car, especially as used prices are artificially high at the moment.

Why do you say artificially high Colm? You may well be right but what is going to happen in the future that brings used prices back to a level we are accustomed to?

krissovo

Volvo XC 60 would tick a lot of boxes if you want premium and hybrid versions available at the top end of your budget that were 67/70k cars on the forecourt.

One of the better looking SUV’s out there and really practical at the same time.

theteal

I could have made a very similar thread about a year ago. In the end we went for "old" and reliable, picked up a 2010 CRV EX model for £4.5k. Mileage a bit higher than I'd normally go for (116k) but I trust the brand (service history helps too) and our use case will mean we won't significantly add to it. I think it looks well, lots of room, leather wipes clean and apart from a battery swap out last week, no issues. The drive is a bit bouncy and it's a hoor for consumption but that was to be expected.

colm_mcm

Buddy Bubs wrote: »

Why do you say artificially high Colm? You may well be right but what is going to happen in the future that brings used prices back to a level we are accustomed to?

Travelling to the UK is impractical at the moment, also there is a huge lack of information out there with regards how VAT and import duty works from the UK.
I think used prices will level off relative to new prices once people get their heads around which cars to bring in.

biko

Maybe Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV?
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057921572

Leslie Purkiss

I was thinking XC90 for the additonal space. We currently have a VW Tiguin, which is inadequate.

Bass Reeves

theteal wrote: »

I could have made a very similar thread about a year ago. In the end we went for "old" and reliable, picked up a 2010 CRV EX model for £4.5k. Mileage a bit higher than I'd normally go for (116k) but I trust the brand (service history helps too) and our use case will mean we won't significantly add to it. I think it looks well, lots of room, leather wipes clean and apart from a battery swap out last week, no issues. The drive is a bit bouncy and it's a hoor for consumption but that was to be expected.

We always had two cars, one a fairly decent modern car and something that was cheap and cheerful.
In those type cats it's amazing how much of a car you can buy for a reasonable budget. However at present there is not great value out there.

If it was me I would buy the 3-5k version and hold tough for another 12-30 months unless it was a real necessity

rn

theteal wrote: »

I could have made a very similar thread about a year ago. In the end we went for "old" and reliable, picked up a 2010 CRV EX model for £4.5k. Mileage a bit higher than I'd normally go for (116k) but I trust the brand (service history helps too) and our use case will mean we won't significantly add to it. I think it looks well, lots of room, leather wipes clean and apart from a battery swap out last week, no issues. The drive is a bit bouncy and it's a hoor for consumption but that was to be expected.

A 10 year old car with 116k miles is on the lower side for that age I would have thought. The Honda at ex spec are well finished.

ec18

you could buy an estate to get the best of both worlds, SUV's aren't actually that good for families other than being fashionable.... They don't have that any boot really, poor fuel consumption and the only perk is being 'high' up driving...Horrid things really.

fits

ec18 wrote: »

you could buy an estate to get the best of both worlds, SUV's aren't actually that good for families other than being fashionable.... They don't have that any boot really, poor fuel consumption and the only perk is being 'high' up driving...Horrid things really.

The biggest advantage is that the height makes it much easier to strap children into car seats. And that’s not to be sniffed at.

AndrewJRenko

You may want to consider the increased danger of SUVs to pedestrians, and the harm that SUVs do to the planet that you're minding for your children when making your decision.

https://twitter.com/conormolloy/status/1376240735868104708?s=19

Hurrache

I don't think anybody is talking about the US "SUV", ours are pretty much crossovers, the "SUV" gets bandied about like a bogeyman.

AndrewJRenko

Hurrache wrote: »

I don't think anybody is talking about the US "SUV", ours are pretty much crossovers, the "SUV" gets bandied about like a bogeyman.

All the same issues around visibility of pedestrians and cyclists and increased weight leading to increased energy usage relative to standard cars still apply, albeit at a slightly lower level.

bazz26

Oh sweet Jesus, have some people nothing else do on boards?

Comment_below

bazz26 wrote: »

Oh sweet Jesus, have some people nothing else do on boards?

The TD Paul Murphy wants SUVs banned in Dublin only this May.
His colleague Muck Wallace drives a left hand drive BMW X5


https://www.newstalk.com/news/suvs-are-anti-social-monstrosities-that-should-be-banned-form-irish-cities-paul-murphy-1201127

The J Stands for Jay

bazz26 wrote: »

Oh sweet Jesus, have some people nothing else do on boards?

Boards is getting full of threads of people looking for an 'SUV', but when you read their requirements they'd be better off in an Octavia or a Transit.

AndrewJRenko

Comment_below wrote: »

The TD Paul Murphy wants SUVs banned in Dublin only this May.
His colleague Muck Wallace drives a left hand drive BMW X5


https://www.newstalk.com/news/suvs-are-anti-social-monstrosities-that-should-be-banned-form-irish-cities-paul-murphy-1201127

The only collegiate relationship between Wallace and Murphy is that they were both elected TDs at one stage and indeed were both MEPs at different stages.

They aren't really colleagues.

Lantus

The J Stands for Jay wrote: »

Boards is getting full of threads of people looking for an 'SUV', but when you read their requirements they'd be better off in an Octavia or a Transit.

Societal pressure and fashion backed up by sophisticated marketing herds people into SUV type cars. They offer very little clear benefit and have several disadvantages but still come out more popular.

Dilbert75

Leslie Purkiss wrote: »

I was thinking XC90 for the additonal space. We currently have a VW Tiguin, which is inadequate.

Brother has a XC90 T8. He lives about 100k from me but I can hear it slurping the petrol down from home. Mighty fast and comfortable but you've got to be prepared for premium running costs as well as purchase price.

rn

ec18 wrote: »

you could buy an estate to get the best of both worlds, SUV's aren't actually that good for families other than being fashionable.... They don't have that any boot really, poor fuel consumption and the only perk is being 'high' up driving...Horrid things really.

All true and they are difficult to park. But don't underestimate that high up feeling. Kids love the view out. They are not terrible yokes inside them.

Comment_below

rn wrote: »

All true and they are difficult to park. But don't underestimate that high up feeling. Kids love the view out. They are not terrible yokes inside them.

Has anyone heard of an MPV, they were all the craze in the 00's before the SUV Mommys came

Here is a modern one

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-grand-scenic-1-5-dci-dynamique-model-2/27107828

rn

Comment_below wrote: »

Has anyone heard of an MPV, they were all the craze in the 00's before the SUV Mommys came

Here is a modern one

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-grand-scenic-1-5-dci-dynamique-model-2/27107828

Brother in law has one. 3 kids 4-10 years of age. It's the only job for them as it has boot big enough for gear as you can fit 3 across the back. Any of your SUV 7 seaters are really 6.5 seaters; you can't put 3 kid seats across the back. And the back seats come I useful from time to time.

Leslie Purkiss

Dilbert75 wrote: »

Brother has a XC90 T8. He lives about 100k from me but I can hear it slurping the petrol down from home. Mighty fast and comfortable but you've got to be prepared for premium running costs as well as purchase price.

Thank you Dilbert. Duly noted. That is the exact nature of the advice I am seeking.

Anyone have any insights on Hyundai Santa Fe?

Bass Reeves

Leslie Purkiss wrote: »

Thank you Dilbert. Duly noted. That is the exact nature of the advice I am seeking.

Anyone have any insights on Hyundai Santa Fe?

Tax on older ones is significant. Hard to buy a clean older one as they tend to be workhorses. Heavy on juice as well

dudley72

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117597236#Comment_117597236

They have loads of benefits, hence why the majority of the World is moving towards them.

dudley72

You are talking about a Hybrid but does it suit your driving? the XC90 hybrid is not hard on petrol for the size of it to be honest. If you are constantly doing trips within the range of the battery then you will have no issue. Plus even outside the battery range it runs as a hybrid so it is about 7/8ltr per 100km which is not too bad to be honest.

I have a X5 and it is running at 9/10ltr per 100km but is diesel.

The OP you only have 2 kids, you really are jumping up into a very big SUV for 2 kids. You should have more than ample room in the current Tiguan Crossover. If you like it you could move up to Tiguan Allspace which is just the 7 seat version. Just leave the seats down to give more boot space. Other option is just a roof box on roof or on a tow bar using the current Tiguan to give more boot space.

If you go Tiguan Allspace then worth checking out the Seat equivalent. You can check the Skoda as well if you really want to go that direction. All will be diesel.

The Santa Fei & Sorento are the same car, both are 50k for the new Hybrod which has 50km range on it. Nice if you like the interior and a good few on road. Will it hold its value? doubt it, no better than a current Hyundai/Kia will.

5uspect

We get by just fine with two kids in a basic hatchback civic. For the school run which started this year for our eldest we got a cargo bike. We can get in and out faster than all the SUVs abandoned everywhere on the footpaths with their engines idling. The only downside is the SUVs close passing you because the drivers are glued to their phones.

dudley72

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117619888#Comment_117619888

That's great, not sure how it helps the person pick an SUV.

In regards to the budget they mentioned a car kit would be a basic, I am not sure many cars bought in the last 10 years would come without a car kit installed.

Flinty997

SUV are often like the opposite of a Tardis. Much smaller on the inside than you think from the outside.

Unless you have 3+ kids any normal sized saloon or hatch back is big enough for most families.

SUV are mostly a fashion statement. Though obviously it going to demolish a smaller car if it hits anything. People like what they like.

MPVs are pretty a a boxy van with seats. Nothing to touch them for versatility and space. But lots of people don't like the looks.

AndrewJRenko

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117620711#Comment_117620711

It helps them by giving them lower cost options to meet their needs. Like all advice here, the recipient can take it or leave it?

5uspect

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117620711#Comment_117620711

Two children do not require an SUV to be ‘needed’.

dudley72

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117622095#Comment_117622095

Depends on what classify as a "SUV". You have compact SUV's etc. So you have SUV/Crossovers for all sizes at this stage.

satguy

I recently bought one of these,,

https://www.google.com/search?q=ssangyong+tivoli+xlv+price&rlz=1C1CHBF_enIE854IE854&sxsrf=ALeKk020AN-ppjE_P5bwG25BDB9QdtmHMA:1626471498953&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHk7q_xujxAhX0lFwKHZQ7AbMQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=2560&bih=1297&dpr=1.5

Ssangyong Tivoli XLV

It is a great all round car..

vectra

I am trading in my 2 year old, extremely low mileage Ateca FR 1.5tsi DSG next Tuesday if it is of any interest to you?

DavyD_83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117698609#Comment_117698609

Would you recommend it? Pros and cons?

caddy16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117584321#Comment_117584321

Can you point me in the direction of a 2 year old 5008 that has depreciated this much - would be delighted to pick one up at that price?