The bad areas of Dublin for buying a house

Cristianc

Hello. I'm looking to buy a house in the following months in Dublin.. at least try.
Since I'm not from Ireland and only been here for a few years, I don't know the areas very well. I do suspect there's a connection between prices and the level of civilization of the area.
I would like to buy a 3br, 2bath house/apartment up to a max of 400k and up to C3 BER standard.
This excludes most of the south of Dublin. However there are areas I haven't visited yet but I'm taking into consideration.
So maybe you guys can tell me from a scale of 0 (very rough) to 10 (very good) what do you think about the following areas:

Malahide/Belmayne, Clongriffin, Beaumont, Santry, Poppintree, Blanchardstown, Lucan, Ballyfermot, Walkinston, Clondalkin, Tallagh, Citywest/Saggart, Ballycullen

Cristianc

Cristianc wrote: »

Hello. I'm looking to buy a house in the following months in Dublin.. at least try.
Since I'm not from Ireland and only been here for a few years, I don't know the areas very well. I do suspect there's a connection between prices and the level of civilization of the area.
I would like to buy a 3br, 2bath house/apartment up to a max of 400k and up to C3 BER standard.
This excludes most of the south of Dublin. However there are areas I haven't visited yet but I'm taking into consideration.
So maybe you guys can tell me from a scale of 0 (very rough) to 10 (very good) what do you think about the following areas:

Malahide/Belmayne, Clongriffin, Beaumont, Santry, Poppintree, Blanchardstown, Lucan, Ballyfermot, Walkinston, Clondalkin, Tallagh, Citywest/Saggart, Ballycullen

Just to give you an FYI, people don't take too kindly to using the phrase, "civilised" in regards to areas. I am assuming English is your second language?

There may be places with higher crime rates, lower socio-economic levels etc.

But you can rest assured, Ireland and Dublin is quite civilised, regardless of what some people think.

jam_mac_jam

Some of the areas you are asking questions about are huge so one part of it would be nice and another rough.

I am not going to score areas for you based on my preconceptions. You need to go to the areas and have a look around and decide for yourself.

Also the expression civilised? It's really not appropriate.

Bredabe

Cristianc wrote: »

Hello. I'm looking to buy a house in the following months in Dublin.. at least try.
Since I'm not from Ireland and only been here for a few years, I don't know the areas very well. I do suspect there's a connection between prices and the level of civilization of the area.
I would like to buy a 3br, 2bath house/apartment up to a max of 400k and up to C3 BER standard.
This excludes most of the south of Dublin. However there are areas I haven't visited yet but I'm taking into consideration.
So maybe you guys can tell me from a scale of 0 (very rough) to 10 (very good) what do you think about the following areas:

Malahide/Belmayne, Clongriffin, Beaumont, Santry, Poppintree, Blanchardstown, Lucan, Ballyfermot, Walkinston, Clondalkin, Tallagh, Citywest/Saggart, Ballycullen

A chat with a local police office(Garda) will give you a clearer idea of what's happening. BUT visiting each area at different times of day and week as well as keeping your eyes open will tell you most things you need to know.

Naked Lepper

Malahide: 8.5
Clongriffin: 4
Beaumont: 4
Santry: 5
Poppintree: 2
Blanchardstown: 2.5
Lucan: 7
Ballyfermot: 2
Walkinston: 6
Clondalkin: 1
Tallaght: 1.5
Citywest/Saggart: 4
Ballycullen: Not sure where this is

Naked Lepper

Naked Lepper wrote: »

Malahide: 8.5
Clongriffin: 4
Beaumont: 4
Santry: 5
Poppintree: 2
Blanchardstown: 2.5
Lucan: 7
Ballyfermot: 2
Walkinston: 6
Clondalkin: 1
Tallaght: 1.5
Citywest/Saggart: 4
Ballycullen: Not sure where this is

Pretty sure you don't know any of those areas!

Das Reich

Those English speakers can't undertand that for "civilized" the OP mean "developed"?

iamwhoiam

Naked Lepper wrote: »

Malahide: 8
Clongriffin: 4
Beaumont: 4
Santry: 5
Poppintree: 2
Blanchardstown: 2.5
Lucan: 7
Ballyfermot: 2
Walkinston: 6
Clondalkin: 1
Tallaght: 1.5
Citywest/Saggart: 4
Ballycullen: Not sure where this is

Tallaght is massive with private estate and very settled areas . You cant rate the while of Tallght the same

Mynydd2

Beaumont would be my preference, very quiet mature area, good schools, but mostly hold houses so may require renovating also to get that second bathroom. Clongriffin and belmayne would be newer houses, second bathrooms etc

Samuel T. Cogley

All I'll say is avoid an apartment if you possibly can. IMHO we don't build them well, and Irish culture is very individualistic - we don't do communal spaces well.

400K is not going to get you into a top area in Dublin, you'll be looking at some compromises on the area.

Samuel T. Cogley

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Tallaght is massive with private estate and very settled areas . You cant rate the while of Tallght the same

TBH Malahide has it's trouble spots as well.

iamwhoiam

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

TBH Malahide has it's trouble spots as well.

All areas do in fairness . Parts of Clondalkin are very settled and parts not so much too

SteM

Naked Lepper wrote: »

Malahide: 8.5
Clongriffin: 4
Beaumont: 4
Santry: 5
Poppintree: 2
Blanchardstown: 2.5
Lucan: 7
Ballyfermot: 2
Walkinston: 6
Clondalkin: 1
Tallaght: 1.5
Citywest/Saggart: 4
Ballycullen: Not sure where this is

Oddly enough I have an awful experience of Walkinstown but a good experience of Tallaght. Goes to show how pointless it is ranking huge areas out of 10.

Naked Lepper

bubblypop wrote: »

Pretty sure you don't know any of those areas!

lived in many of them

PhoenixParker

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

All I'll say is avoid an apartment if you possibly can. IMHO we don't build them well, and Irish culture is very individualistic - we don't do communal spaces well.

400K is not going to get you into a top area in Dublin, you'll be looking at some compromises on the area.

This is slightly outdated I think.
We didn't used to build apartments well but since about 2006 the apartments built have been to a much higher standard and importantly much bigger and more long term livable.

Places like Clongriffin/Adamstown and new blocks around Blanchardstown/Dublin 15 have some great apartments.

iamwhoiam

Naked Lepper wrote: »

lived in many of them

All areas in Tallaght ? All areas in Clondalkin ? Obviously not if you rate them all the same

ongarite

Even though I think this thread is a windup I’ll ask more questions of the OP.

Where in Dublin is the job?
Just you or partner & family?
Do you drive or will you be dependent on public transport?
I would rent in area for few months before buying to get feel of the place.

Flinty997

Cristianc wrote: »

...
I would like to buy a 3br, 2bath house/apartment up to a max of 400k and up to C3 BER standard.
...

You don't need anyone to tell you. Just follow the prices.

Naked Lepper

iamwhoiam wrote: »

All areas in Tallaght ? All areas in Clondalkin ? Obviously not if you rate them all the same

my reply was in jest. just messing.

everything is subjective so its impossible to give a rating like this.

Naked Lepper

Naked Lepper wrote: »

lived in many of them

Hard to believe going by your ratings

Murt10

Think I came across this tip on Boards before.

Take the name of a road or area. Put it into google with + court or + charged and that'll give you some idea of the kind of area you're looking at
.

Galwayguy35

Deleted User wrote: »

Just to give you an FYI, people don't take too kindly to using the phrase, "civilised" in regards to areas. I am assuming English is your second language?

There may be places with higher crime rates, lower socio-economic levels etc.

But you can rest assured, Ireland and Dublin is quite civilised, regardless of what some people think.

He wants to know what areas the skangers are in so he can avoid them, every county has them including mine so no need to get up on your high horse over it.

biko

Maybe it's better to ask about good areas. It tends to not get people's backs up so much.

Samuel T. Cogley

PhoenixParker wrote: »

This is slightly outdated I think.
We didn't used to build apartments well but since about 2006 the apartments built have been to a much higher standard and importantly much bigger and more long term livable.

Places like Clongriffin/Adamstown and new blocks around Blanchardstown/Dublin 15 have some great apartments.

It's not the physical building standards its the amenities and associated infrastructure. Clongriffin is alright but the DARTs are once every 20 minutes for them and Dublin 15 is even less frequent. Parks and green spaces tend not to be used well. All that's debatable I suppose and my impatience for Public Transport may not be replicated by others.

However I stand by what I say about people. We just don't do community well. Ah sure I'm only leaving my bike in the corridor over night. Ah sure its a Saturday why not have a party? Ah sure the management fee and any sort of attendance of OMC meetings is well down on the list. I would much rather have my own space that I can control to a better degree. A bad neighbour is bad enough on an estate, it's a bloody nightmare in an apartment.

Figel Narage

From what I've seen you can get some solid area's for 400K in Lucan and Clonsilla. Looking at Clonsilla, the estates south of the Ongar distribution road are seen as quieter than north (from what I've been told) and there are a lot of houses that are on sale or have sold for 400K. There's even the odd 400K place on sale in places like Carpenterstown and Glasnevin. It can be a bit over whelming when looking at daft for houses within your budget but sometimes it's encouraging to see what's on sale and where.

Caranica

What you're asking for is impossible. You're asking about areas with close to a million people living in them in total. Among those people you have good people and bad people, good houses and bad houses, good schools and bad schools etc etc

I could rank parts of those areas as 1 and parts as 10, that's how ridiculous what you're asking for is.

Do your own research, drive around the areas, talk to shopkeepers and residents, Google for news reports, look at plans for infrastructure in the area.

Cristianc

Indeed, English is not my native language. By civilised I mean normally developed socially/culturally - so there would be a low risk of getting attacked by gangs of teenagers, homeless people or neighbors using drugs and in poor financial situation. I do know not all of the people in an area are like this but it's enough to make an area "rough". For example I've heard Darndale is like this and although I haven't seen the violence, I saw the houses looked depressed(old and cheap at the time) and there's also a lot of trash lying around - and this speaks about the residents.

We're a couple, we live around Sandyford now, which looks nice. It is also way too expensive to buy. Workplace will change in years, so buying a house close the current one doesn't make sense. Probably the west makes it easiest to reach anywhere, north or south of Dublin.

What I'm asking basically is which of the areas mentioned you would move to?
Malahide/Belmayne looks nice to me - newer apartments/houses, parks, families with children. I'm concerned about the social housing being built there.

Concerns come from the fact that in my country's capital a bad area has nothing to do with violence (almost nonexistant) but more with traffic/bad roads/lack of good transport/lack of green areas.

Samuel T. Cogley

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

TBH Malahide has it's trouble spots as well.

Where?

Flinty997

Vienna Lively Pope wrote: »

Where?

Wasnt it in the news recently with gang of youths fighting in the village.

Lots of news reports recently of incidents involving teens in Malahide.

But sure its happening everywhere. No area is immune.

Caranica

[Deleted User] wrote: »

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But sure its happening everywhere. No area is immune.

Which is precisely why this thread is pointless!

Beaumont and Santry are lovely. But bidding wars are pushing any half decent 3 bid north of 375. You might get something on the outskirts of santry. And you certainly won’t get much with a better energy rating of C3

(All this applies to houses - not apartments)

theteal

I think the OP would be better off finding examples of houses in these areas to get somewhat of an "accurate" response. Some of the areas quoted are massive with a massive swing of quality within. Even Walkinstown (where I'm from) is not that big if you discount the industrial parts but there are parts I would happily buy in and others I wouldn't be keen on at all.

handlemaster

Murt10 wrote: »

Think I came across this tip on Boards before.

Take the name of a road or area. Put it into google with + court or + charged and that'll give you some idea of the kind of area you're looking at
.

Killiney avoid terrible place.

www.irishtimes.com/news/father-who-battered-his-son-to-death-found-guilty-but-insane-1.471685%3fmode=amp[/url]

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29650357.amp

cluelessbuyer9

Living in Dublin the past 36 years, here is my scores:

Malahide: 9
Clongriffin: 6
Beaumont: 8
Santry: 7
Poppintree: 3
Blanchardstown: 5
Lucan: 3
Ballyfermot: 2
Walkinston: 5
Clondalkin: 5
Tallaght: 5
Citywest/Saggart: 2
Ballycullen: 3

Malahide would be my top choice followed by Beumont. I know Clondalkin and Lucan very well, i'd avoid both areas like the plague with the exception of Clondalkin village. Similar goes for Blanch and Tallaght, only desirable areas in Blanch are near the village bordering Castleknock. Some ok private areas in Tallaght but it is very isolated compared to the majority on this list.

Flinty997

cluelessbuyer9 wrote: »

Living in Dublin the past 36 years, here is my scores:...

Some of that is so inaccurate to be meaningless.

I didn't realize the entirety of Lucan is now one of the least desirable places in Dublin to live for example.

Das Reich

Das Reich wrote: »

Those English speakers can't undertand that for "civilized" the OP mean "developed"?

He probably means safe. Perfectly reasonable

Flinty997

theteal wrote: »

I ...Some of the areas quoted are massive with a massive swing of quality within. ..

So very true.

Caranica

Flinty997 wrote: »

So very true.

Precisely, people are slating large areas based on tiny subsets or patches. It's pointless, inaccurate and misrepresentative. I disagree hugely with the rankings on this thread given to areas I've lived in. But at this stage I'm happy enough to let the OP be deluded.

Buddy Bubs

Flinty997 wrote: »

Some of that is so inaccurate to be meaningless.

I didn't realize the entirety of Lucan is now one of the least desirable places in Dublin to live for example.

North Dublin scored well with him! South, not so much

Doublebusy

Avoid North Dublin and avoid South Dublin

Cristianc

Caranica wrote: »

Which is precisely why this thread is pointless!

I wouldn't say so. Obviously Malahide/Belmayne cannot be the same as Darndale - in terms of risk of walking during the night or letting your child play. Or when it comes to how houses look. Is that right?
That's why I asked in the beginning to rate the areas. Lower frequency/reputation of criminal activity/social unrest and low quality housing = low score. Yes, of course bad stuff can happen anywhere, but chances are not the same everywhere I guess.

Cristianc

cluelessbuyer9 wrote: »

Living in Dublin the past 36 years, here is my scores:

Malahide: 9
Clongriffin: 6
Beaumont: 8
Santry: 7
Poppintree: 3
Blanchardstown: 5
Lucan: 3
Ballyfermot: 2
Walkinston: 5
Clondalkin: 5
Tallaght: 5
Citywest/Saggart: 2
Ballycullen: 3

Malahide would be my top choice followed by Beumont. I know Clondalkin and Lucan very well, i'd avoid both areas like the plague with the exception of Clondalkin village. Similar goes for Blanch and Tallaght, only desirable areas in Blanch are near the village bordering Castleknock. Some ok private areas in Tallaght but it is very isolated compared to the majority on this list.

Thank you so much.
I like the area of Malahide with Belmayne, close to Fingal cemetery. But I saw they're building lots of social apartments in several buildings on Malahide road there. Would that be a problem in the future?
Also, regarding Lucan, why is it bad in your opinion? I've heard several people saying it woulf be very nice to live there. Compared to Saggart/Citywest or Blanchardstown.
Saggart came to my mind because it has the Luas, a significant advantage maybe?

Very big difference between Malahide and Malahide Road. The Malahide road parts near belmayne and Fingal cemetery are far far removed from Malahide.

They are nice areas but they’re certainly not Malahide. Kinsealy or Balgriffin probably the areas address.

selassie

Malahide shouldn't be on your list with your budget. Swords right next door is lovely though so I'd recommend looking there.

gmisk

cluelessbuyer9 wrote: »

Living in Dublin the past 36 years, here is my scores:

Malahide: 9
Clongriffin: 6
Beaumont: 8
Santry: 7
Poppintree: 3
Blanchardstown: 5
Lucan: 3
Ballyfermot: 2
Walkinston: 5
Clondalkin: 5
Tallaght: 5
Citywest/Saggart: 2
Ballycullen: 3

Malahide would be my top choice followed by Beumont. I know Clondalkin and Lucan very well, i'd avoid both areas like the plague with the exception of Clondalkin village. Similar goes for Blanch and Tallaght, only desirable areas in Blanch are near the village bordering Castleknock. Some ok private areas in Tallaght but it is very isolated compared to the majority on this list.

I have lived in lower ballyfermot for about 6 years and it is a terrific area to live in (I confirmed street was very safe with Gardai friend before considering it - lally road) The neighbours are incredibly sound and friendly, made a lot of really great friends.
I lived in kilmainham for 10 years and I literally knew nobody.
15 mins on a bus to town, markiewicz park, very close to war memorial gardens.

I agree that Ballyfermot can be a bit of a sh#thole.

L1011

Some of these 'areas' are absolutely huge, and one is a merger of two extremely different places that are just nearby each other.

People are giving scores without a reason as to why, and its unlikely anyone has even lived in half of them let alone all; so take anyones scores with a huge pinch of salt.

Caranica

Cristianc wrote: »

I wouldn't say so. Obviously Malahide/Belmayne cannot be the same as Darndale - in terms of risk of walking during the night or letting your child play. Or when it comes to how houses look. Is that right?
That's why I asked in the beginning to rate the areas. Lower frequency/reputation of criminal activity/social unrest and low quality housing = low score. Yes, of course bad stuff can happen anywhere, but chances are not the same everywhere I guess.

You're asking about areas that have sub areas like darndale but also some areas that would be closer to dalkey prices. There are 7 figure homes in many of the areas you've listed, and have been poorly rated by the people who've rated them, equally there are no go areas.

They say in Dublin you're never more than a stone's throw away from a bad area. It's why sweeping generalisations like you're looking for are pointless.

mojesius

Lucan, blanch and tallaght are huge so it's difficult to assess according to your criteria. Personally, I'd avoid Lucan as traffic is always dire. I grew up near Blanch village and never had any issues but then again, Blanch is a huge area with trouble spots/estates. Tallaght, I don't know enough to make a judgement.

With that said, out of your list, my preference would be Beaumont. Mature area, easy commute/cycle to city, close to airport, M50, sea and not too far from parks like St Anne's.

Always look where the property is actually located on Google maps as places advertised as x area are often in y area (eg 'Killiney' = Ballybrack, 'Santry' ° Ballymun, "Glasnevin" = Finglas.) Not making judgements against any of these areas but estate agents here are notorious for advertising properties in the wrong area so they can hike the asking price!

pauliebdub

Malahide - it's gorgeous but expensive, cheaper at the Swords side. You could also look at Swords itself.
Belmayne and Clongriffin - new and growing developments, I've heard mixed reviews about the places, lots of apartment blocks and duplexes.
Beaumont, Santry - both are lovely
Poppintree - a colleague lives there and likes it, somewhere past IKEA.

Blanchardstown and Lucan - there's older threads about both areas. B'town is huge

Ballyfermot, Walkinston, Clondalkin, Tallagh, Citywest/Saggart, Ballycullen - don't know any of these areas well.

Flinty997

mojesius wrote: »

....... Personally, I'd avoid Lucan as traffic is always dire. I ...

Is Lucan any worse than say Malahide. Anytime I've been there it's also been endless queues. Same with most parts of Dublin.