Halloween kills!

gmisk

Trailer is out...shows a little too much as usual but really enjoyed the recent one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL6R3HmQfPc

Sandor Clegane

gmisk wrote: »

Trailer is out...shows a little too much as usual but really enjoyed the recent one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL6R3HmQfPc

Showed an awful lot really, basically gave the whole film away, I enjoyed the recent one too so still looking forward to it.

MisterAnarchy

That looks dreadful.

artvanderlay

Anybody see it yet? Any comments? I loved the first one, and I'm waiting until I'm up in Dublin on Tuesday to see it at The Lighthouse Cinema. Can't do regular cinemas anymore for movies that I'm hyped to see :)

gmisk

I am heading to it on Sunday in the lighthouse.

At a glance...reviews do not look great....but we will see!

artvanderlay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026300#Comment_118026300

Enjoy! Keep me posted :) I think it looks really good. It'll feel a bit unsatisfactory because it is the middle chapter in a trilogy after all, but I think they can do some new things to keep us interested, such as involving the other residents of Haddonfield, and even getting Michael's mask off for a while. It's looks a lot better than that lame Scream 5 trailer anyways!

whomadewho

Just back from it, really enjoyed it. If you liked the last one you will like this one.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026480#Comment_118026480

Oh great.

I like the last one a lot!

Looking forward to it now :)

Mrcaramelchoc

A truly awful movie. Anyone associated with it should be ashamed. Talk about milking the shite out of something. I would love an interviewer to be straight up and ask Jamie lee curtis what the hell she was thinking doing this trash. Ruining the good name she and the original Halloween movies had.

And i can't believe you know what happened at the end..

BorneTobyWilde

No killing that bastard

Space Dog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026667#Comment_118026667

JLC got a nice pay cheque out of this, she doesn't care. She generally looks down on the horror genre, but she'll always be back for some cold hard cash every 20 years, promote the hell out of the film and then badmouth it a few years later.

I honestly admire her for it!

And you're right, this film is trash, but Curtis was in Halloween Resurrection, which is the true nadir of this series, so she's not ruining anything with this! 😁 (not to mention Rob Zombie's Halloween).

In her defense, she was contracted to be in Resurrection and was probably glad she didn't have to be in another one for a while.

rekluse

I usually have high treshold for for trashy horror / slasher movies but yeah , this was a bit **** and was very disappointed.

artvanderlay

I thought the first movie looked great - gorgeous cinematography- so for that alone, I'm looking forward to seeing it on the big screen. Most slasher stories are cack anyways, so I'll just enjoy the Halloween/autumnal vibes and kills :) BTW director David Gordon Green has signed on to direct a new Exorcist trilogy, and also he's directing HBO's new Hellraiser series. He's really becoming the king of horror reboots! Not sure if Danny McBride is involved with those, but I have a lot of goodwill towards these guys since Eastbound and Down/Kenny Powers (although the last season of that was terrible, and probably only done for the money). I don't know if there are any Eastbound fans here, but for me the funniest moments in Halloween were the scenes featuring Eastbound's Mammy (the woman who shows the podcasters Judith Myer's grave) and Kenny's TV rival from the show (the guy who plays the sheriff) - they were such OTT ridiculous, characters in that show that seeing them in a serious horror movie jarred and made me laugh out loud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLWWSR-jljs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmA_YFsjNz0

At least they didn't cast Danny McBride as Michael (in the show when his ex-girlfriend April tries on a Kenny Powers merchandise mask, he tells her that she looks like a retarded Michael Myers!)

Homelander

Absolutely wretched steaming pile of dung. I normally have a lot of tolerance for silly slashers and I thought the last one was pretty bad but admittedly watchable, but this is so obnoxiously next-level braindead with a singular focus on violence.

They need to just let the franchise die. You'd get more milk from a fly at this stage.

hynesie08

Not gonna bury it like some on here, compared to some Halloween movies it's the godfather.

There are kernels of an interesting horror movie in there (mob mentality, turning Myers into the Joker) but yeah, a fun bloodbath with a paper thin story that serves as a bridge between the first and last movies.

sonic85

I enjoyed the last one but can't say I enjoyed this too much. Biggest issue for me is that there's no real stakes. Not really sure where they can go from here. Some scenes and dialogue were really poor - verging on parody at times. It'll pass an hour and a half easily - doesn't overstay its welcome but overall its not very good

callaway92

Apparently ‘Halloween Ends’ will be left with a twist, so of course, things will continue forever ha

santana75

Saw it earlier and I was surprised at how much I enjoyed this. Cracking start and the pace doesnt let up for a moment. I honestly thought it would be terrible so my expectations where rock bottom, but it was a lot better than I thought it would be and personally I thought it was way better than the previous one.

CastorTroy

I liked

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the use of the Halloween III masks.

Why do they never think to decapitate and/or dismember him? Hard to kill after coming back if he has no arms, legs or head. Instead they leave him with his weapon of choice in his back despite knowing he's hard to kill.

And with the emergency services all turning up at the house, how come none went to where Michael was? Unless the scene at the house was later and the scene with Michael coming back took place right after Karen left.

bassy

the biggest crock of sh1te ever,how do the get away with this scutter.

Fred Astaire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026480#Comment_118026480

As a long time fan of the franchise and someone who really liked the last one - this was an absolute disgrace.

An abomination from start to finish. If you like competently made movies you will not like this piece of sh*t.

santana75

$50 Million opening domestic weekend. For this type of movie thats pretty impressive, especially under the current circumstances.

Outkast_IRE

As someone who generally enjoys Halloween movies. I didnt enjoy this one , just dont think alot of the elements worked all that well. The mob mentality aspect in particular i found contrived and poorly implemented and scoured the film of any atmosphere.

orangerhyme

I thought it was just ok. A little disjointed.

The interesting themes from the first one weren't brought forward which was a shame. The theme of trauma and PTSD and how it affects the next generations wasn't really continued.

Too many characters introduced and not enough done with old characters. Maybe if they had just introduced Tommy as a character and he combines with JLC. But introducing the 3 others from the first film was too much.

JLC didn't have enough to do.

I thought the mob mentality was an interesting concept but not well executed. Was it a parable for social media, Trump supporters storming the capitol....

I didn't like the final mob scene at all, frustrating really.

I didn't understand the meaning behind "Micheal Myers wasnt looking at Haddonfield through the window, he was looking at himself".

The part in the flashback where the cop says he knew Myers as a kid was interesting.

orangerhyme

The key to horror is suspense, not gore or violence.

John Carpenter was a big fan of Hitchcock and got suspense perfect in the first Halloween, which is why its considered a classic and is the best in the franchise, despite having tiny budget.

Some of it has the type of creative genius that comes from young people on a budget who are forced to use imagination to create tension and suspense.

Remember the scene where Myers mask in the shadows slowly comes into focus.

It still scares me now even though I'm an adult who's seen it many times.

Likewise Silence of the Lambs gets suspense perfect.

Does Halloween Kills have any scenes of suspense? A few but none memorable

Fred Astaire

I hate that they completely removed the Michael/Laurie connection. In the original he definitely has some connection to her as he takes a keen interest from the moment she drops off the keys. He is very interested in her, he follows her around repeatedly. In 2018, granted the doctor brings them together but there didn't have to be a total write off of the connection. Like if Michael was really just bothered about his house he could have not gone through the forest to Lauries compound, broken into the house and toyed with them. Either he wanted to go to the Myers house or he didn't. It's supposedly this driving force for him but in the last one he wasn't arsed! Total stupid retcon.

They should have had Laurie virtually incapacitated at the hospital while the mob ran off to hunt down the wrong guy. Leaving the hospital completely vulnerable to Michael.

Michael somehow gets to the hospital and Karen and Allyson have to defend Laurie the same way she defended them in the last one. Shes completely defenseless after her operation. Karen and Allyson know that Laurie must live if they ever want to have a chance at killing evil in the future.

Karen sacrifices herself in the ending to ensure Allyson and Laurie get to safety, setting up the final movie.

CastorTroy

Yeah having Michael's whole driving force be

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that he wants to look out a window/at his reflection is a bit stupid

artvanderlay

Saw it yesterday. I thought it was equal parts brilliant and awful :) It had characters doing the most stupid things, and the plot was ridiculous, but it also had probably the most brutal, terrifying version of Michael Myers yet. There were some great shots and imagery throughout (Michael emerging from the fire especially) and the low-key scene where he stalks Lindsey was the best scene in the whole movie. Terrifying to have that f*cker walking after you! More of that and less mob scenes would have been great. I also think Michael's mask looks great; it too has aged and become battle-scared like the man behind it. What's wrong with the movie is obvious so I'm not going to dwell on that; so many stupid, stupid moments and it was a very uneven movie. Michael always killed one on one, but since the end of the last movie when he killed the cops in the cop car to now, he's getting more brutal. Laurie couldn't stop him, and a mob couldn't stop him because they don't know how to kill. Michael does!

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I really liked all the flashback scenes to 1978. Very well made, and captured the look and feel of the first movie. The Donald Pleasance look-alike was great too. If they do shoot forward to 2022 in the next one, I'm not sure how they are going to justify Michael being on the loose for so long, unless he gets captured again? I can't imagine him slowly walking around for four years. He is where he wants to be: back at the Myers house, so if they want him, go there. I have a theory that Michael didn't kill the mob/Karen. I think they beat him senseless and the rest of the movie is a fantasy of his. Even the way it was shot looked different and dreamlike. I'm guessing the cops turned up and prevented the mob finishing off Michael and took him back into custody. Even if it was real, surely it's not that hard for an army of cops/FBI officers to pick the guy up. I know it's a far-fetched movie, but technically Michael has only been on the loose for a few hours, so the cops/townspeople were unprepared for Michael, but with time they'll figure a way to take him down (a bullet to the head might help!).

I'm a huge Halloween fan and I loved it.

It was ridiculous but in the right way.

razorblunt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026285#Comment_118026285

It’s absolutely appalling. One of the worst “big/cinema “ films I’ve ever seen.

the plot, the acting, the setups. There’s so much to dislike there,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065061#Comment_118065061

Yikes. I watched it at home, I perhaps agree that it didn't feel like a cinema film but that's some harsh criticism.

Dempo1

Happened to come across Mark Kermodes review on this film on you tube yesterday and gosh he was brutal in his damming critism.

The Orginal movie was brilliant and made on a shoe string budget, I've seen a few sequels and they got steadily worse and silly over the years. I'll look at this latest one, apparently part of a trilogy but not in any particular rush given the reviews.

razorblunt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065071#Comment_118065071

I really, really wanted to like it especially given the last outing. As soon as I saw one of the Real Housewives in it I knew it was doomed!

i did like the escalating brutality of Myers but that was it, as far as the positives go. Save, maybe for the excellent remodelling job the Johns did of the house.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065105#Comment_118065105

In fairness she was in the original 1978 movie and was reprising her role, which was interesting.

artvanderlay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065185#Comment_118065185

I thought she was very good in it, and she had probably the only genuinely scary scene in the whole film when Michael was pursuing her. In hindsight, I really enjoyed the movie. It's well made with the best version of Michael Myers yet. The original Michael was a young opportunist murderer, targeting defenseless teens. Now he's a 60 year old dude with a lifetime of rage, and he's basically a wild animal on the loose, who must be stopped. I think you have to suspend disbelief watching these movies; Michael is the boogeyman after all, and you can't expect a few bullets and knife wounds to put him down :) People are going to act dumb in this movie, because they don't know anything about Michael beyond his actions in the first movie 40 years ago, which would not be fresh in people's minds. There's none of the original sequels in this timeline, so this is all new to the people of Haddonfield and they are in shock that Michael is doing what he's doing. Laurie was the only one who was ready for him, and she was in hospital for the whole movie.

Homelander

I get suspension of belief and usually when it comes to silly slashers I'm all for it.

The problem for me with Halloween Kills, putting aside the bad acting, is that the plot is so unbelievably weak, it requires the entire cast to constantly believe like complete idiots for the entire movie.

Also, Michael is usually a sinister, relentless stalker. His transformation into Michael "The Rock" Myers in the movie and these stupid, nonsensical battles with big groups of people is just ridiculous. Largely, again, because it requires everyone to behave like morons.

Yeah I get it, Michael's more than human, but even if he were entirely human, everyone's still behaving like morons.

I'm convinced the film-makers knew it was all rubbish but it was a deliberate design choice to make some iconic, weird, campy horror version of "The Room". The scene where the morgue is a room off the main hospital with huge windows and blinds open, dead bodies on full display??

Like these same people wrote Halloween 2018, which while not exactly brilliant, is fairly competent and a lot more grounded.

artvanderlay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065318#Comment_118065318

Part of me suspects that the ending may get retconned. The scene where Michael starts fighting back against the mob is shot in an unusual way, which makes me think it may be a fantasy or even Laurie's worst fears (especially the ending with Karen). I think it may turn out that Michael got captured before the mob finished him, and he's back in custody. Otherwise how can they forward 4 years in the next one, which the director/writer has said will happen? Will Michael spend 4 years slowly walking around Haddonfield eating out of bins? Maybe he will keep going to cosplay conventions and enjoying the free buffet and anonymity. Time will tell I guess.

I am looking forward to the third one now, if for no other reason just to see how DGG wraps it all up. Age will get Michael eventually anyways :) [I would be impressed if they threw in the twist that Michael was given the original Silver Shamrock mask from Halloween III, and this is why he is the way he is. That would really stick it to Halloween fans.]

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026674#Comment_118026674

Not so sure. I think the director is doing a very good job of it.

Sad Professor

I spent most of this film thinking what a good movie Halloween II really was and how that should have been the one and only sequel to the original.

CastorTroy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnRCkLfTJvc

This Pitch Meeting only touches on a few of the plot holes

El Gato De Negocios

Went to see it last night. As a Halloween movie connected to the original its terrible. As a standalone unconnected slasher it's terrible. The plot has more holes than a sieve. The "acting" is some of the worst I've ever seen and that's coming from someone that loves the likes of Street Trash and Return of the Living Dead. The only thing that saves this from utter terribleness is some top notch gore effects but even those cannot save it from an utterly meh/10.

homerun_homer

This has got to be one of the dumbest films going. The mob mentality plot is just embarrassing for all involved. Gone is the creepy stalker slasher, and what you're left with is just gratuitous kills, which isn't scary. I should have just watched the Pitch Meeting and not the movie, it would have saved me time to do anything else.

Fred Astaire

They could have just done the hospital thing again. Fair enough they wouldn't have gotten many originality points but it would have been better than this abomination.

It's actually laughable just how bad it is. One of the worst movies I have seen in a very long time.

Rewatchable Michael Myers Halloween Movies Ranked

1. Halloween
2. Halloween (2018) - Hard to believe they made that and then Kills.
3. Halloween 2
4. Halloween 4
5. Halloween H20

Unwatchable tripe Halloween Movies Ranked - As bad as each other for the most part

1. Halloween 6
2. Halloween 5
3. Halloween Kills
4. Halloween 2007
5. Halloween Resurrections
6. Halloween 2 2009

raclle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065071#Comment_118065071

I watched it at home too and don't think watching it in the cinema would have improved my experience. I thought it was awful. Some posters made valid points in how weak it was. It was very predictable and the whole mob thing just didn't work. That line "evil dies tonight" just annoyed me each and every time.

Kingp35

Watched this at home over the weekend. What were they thinking? The tone is completely wrong for a Halloween film. There's no tension or suspense, it's almost like a parody film. The first 20 minutes were ok and then the firefighter scene happened and it was terrible from there. The acting was really bad too.

I like terrible horror films, I probably would have enjoyed this if it wasn't part of the Halloween franchise but it really doesn't work at all!

gmisk

Finally got round to watching this...Christ what a disappointment...especially after Halloween 2018 which was excellent...I didn't hate the first 15ish minutes, the basic premise was ok....but it was just awful. The acting was terrible. Hard to believe same director.