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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    oneills.com GAA Hurling All-Ireland U-20 Championship Final

    Kilkenny v Limerick, FBD Semple Stadium, Thurles, 1.30pm. (TG4)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Tipp v cork is on at 4pm that day. Potentially a dead rubber game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Yeah just seen that, definitely seen Tipp/ Cork down for 2 but must have just been a provisional schedule.



  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭corner back 2


    Rumours that TJ has left the panel. I have no idea if it's true or not, just wondering if anyone else has heard anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I doubt it although rumours have circulated since the galway game. We all probably heard what was supposed to have happened and what cody said . Richie and tj didn't come home on the team bus apparently. Infairness I do think Richie Reid is getting a raw deal and I would of thought he was ahead of Tom phelan in the pecking order.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Is there any chance of Harry being available in two week? It's unlikely and he looked in awful pain against galway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭kentu


    I really hope they are false rumours That you are after putting up just now...It would surely be the last straw for cody if it was true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭Charlie69




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Kk have no one on the senior panel but there's no way kiely will play coughlan or English in dead rubber games and rule them out of the u20.its a golden generation for Limerick and they will want to keep the momentum going in the county and kiely knows better than use them now.

    On form you would have to have Limerick warm favourites and there's a resemblance between the u20 ànd the senior team playing in triangles but it's a two horse race and hopefully our lads will give their best performance and Limerick will be below par.

    A concern for us is we haven't threatened the goal and we'll probably need a few if we're to win the final. Harry shine is a goal threat but unfortunately he probably won't be fit.

    We've being bossed for years in the physical stakes at this level but hopefully now we've got things together in this area so it will be intresting to see how we fare up against Limerick who have led the way with s&c .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3



    Well it's not actually a dead rubber game. Depends on Kiely's plans. Limerick are now guaranteed to progress from Munster but a loss to Clare means it could be a Waterford/Clare Munster final, depending on results and scoring aggregates. I strongly believe that Clare will definitely win 1 of their 2 games in Ennis. They may go all out for this one and get a Munster final place done and dusted with a game remaining. The U20 team have really picked it up after that near horror show V Clare. Forwards are really going well. Harry will be a major loss to the Cats if he fails to recover, but anything is possible in this final. Limerick are still without Hegarty (Gearoid's brother) Keane, who was captain of that U17 team and outstanding corner back Lyons. A big plus is that Pat Donovan has recovered and is a huge addition to the team. Kiely had given him game time with the seniors in the Munster league before his injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Clare beating Limerick does not get a Munster final place "done and dusted". They would still rely on other results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭Village87


    And Cathal O 'Neill will be missing. The u20 is really and farcical competition now. I know it has to be taken serious, but the best players in the competition are not playing



  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭therealdonster


    I've long said the U20 should be a developmental grade. It should be played on a league basis so that every county has the opportunity to give players at that age a number of games. How else are teams supposed to develop young players?

    With the new playing calendar it could be played in parallel with the senior inter County season. Perhaps then you can justify giving teams or players the choice between the two. Or just make senior for over 20s only?



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭usernamethatsnotinuse


    if they cant play senior, would be great to see double headers for some of the championship, league stage at least rather than this nonsense where you can be gone after one game



  • Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭KK36


    I listened back to Kieran Neary's program on Radio Kilkenny from Monday night. He was on the phone with Nicky Brennan and Kieran Muldowney. By God Muldowney didn't half let fly at the lads who texted him and others after the minors got bet. "Anonymous Keyboard Warriors" he called them. He said he got a load of texts abusing him over how the minors should have held trials when they actually gave almost 150 lads 3 trials. Thankfully he has changed how the squads will be run going forward with the selection process for this year's U14s being completely changed from the past with the introduction of the Cat Academy at U13. They seemingly are doing serious work with that group, training almost every Saturday. He also said that Davy Buggy is involved with the U14s. That's some commitment from Buggy, fair play to him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


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    Ciarian muldowney is a good honest guy.It's easy for us to be critical but alot of good people are giving up their time voluntarily and as he says people could go in and help out if they wanted.it's great that things have changed underage and huge efforts are going on but I'd say alot of other top counties are doing similar . There's no doubt we've sat on our hands for 15 years and done very little so this can only be a good thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    Muldowney is doing his best but has no say. Not even asked to be on Mick Dempseys state of hurling committee and hes the coaching officer in the county. Show's what is thought of that position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Bazng


    100% agree, it is an amateur sport after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭JJs Left Hand


    Why the praise for Davy Buggy over the other coaches in the development squads? Genuine question, for both you and Muldowney - what stands him out as being such an amazing appointment?


    The notion that training every Saturday is the answer to the problems in the county is wrong as well. Doing twice the amount of training sessions with sub-standard coaches will just lead to the same definicies. That's unfair on those involved, I know, but I think it's clear as day now that the quality of coaching in the county is way behind where it needs to be in 2022



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭Village87


    Was that the Buggy involved with the Minor ? They were completely outclassed on the line in all areas by Laois last Saturday, id be blaming the management rather than the talent for the Minors downfall



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  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭usualstripes


    In fairness to all who devote their time to training and improving the development squad and underage system they genuinely deserve support and praise but at the same time we couldn't do the simple things right against Laois in the minor. Simple 10 or 20 yard passes weren't going to hand and hand passes were being intercepted or going astray never mind the wide tally we had which can happen.

    Im not trying to be too down on Laois here. Fair play to them and they deserve to be in the Leinster Final but how does it happen that our touch, control and striking is not where it should be in a knockout match?

    This has to be preparation. I do understand that Eoin Lyng was supposed to be sick during the match but played on.

    This is where we are unfortunately but we have to develop the right skills that the game demands at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭dzer2


    After attending a fair few underage training sessions and trials. I have never seen anything that really caught my eye outside of what most clubs do. If we really are to progress doing the same stuff the clubs do won't really develop the lads. We are supposed to be bringing in the best lads. Why do they need to be doing running and mundane drills. We definitely don't do a no hurl zone drill. Off the shoulder running passing obliquely and run around drill. Loads of team building drills that emphasis thrust in your teammates. As for the gym unless the minors used it alot the rest only got 2 sessions



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    From what I've heard he's out, theres a tiny chance he might make it but I think it would be foolish to force him back and risk doing more permanent damage. I'm sure he wants to play but I'm also sure Derek and the rest of the management team will leave him out much and all as they might want him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Apparently (from 3 different sources) Cody went off on a hateful and vitriolic tirade about Henry too the Kilkenny dressing room after the game. TJ and Ritchie were on the bus. Lots of rumours flying around this week and none of them good. I would be worried about the morale in the camp if half of what I have heard is true. If Dublin push us (like they did the day Liam Blanchfield got the goal in Parnell) I'd wonder how the lads heads would be, going down the stretch.

    Post edited by tbiggertycome on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    "Apparently (from 3 different sources) Cody went off on a hateful and vitriolic tirade about Henry too the Kilkenny dressing room after the game. "

    I really hope that's not true...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    I'm no fan of KK hurling given the number of times I was left crying on the terraces at the wrong end of a scoreline meted out a lot of the time by Shefflin & Co. but it ends when the final whistle is blown. Every player/ coach/ manager has a family and life outside hurling and certainly doesn't deserve that sort of abuse, even if it's in a relatively private place. Cody is slipping down in my estimation (not that that'll bother him...)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Any chance we will get the team this evening with the game on Saturday?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    I've met a load of people that have the same story and if it was in any other county the players would of stopped hurling.We all know the way rumours go but this would be dissapointing. I've always being a cody fan but I wonder is he starting to lose the head. He's done baffling things the last few years and if it was any other county he'd be pushed out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭usernamethatsnotinuse


    hopefully out this evening so we can see where we are between the rumours and lawlors injury. Was out on the Thursday before the last Saturday game I think. Sure keep an eye out on Saturday in case any of them miss the bus and need a lift to the match



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭brookville


    Needless to say a absolutely huge match Saturday evening and a loss here could finish our intrest in this year's championship. We were a few seconds away from a draw against galway and could of even won it if the breaking ball was put over the bar. Alot of our players had bad days and we gave away alot of cheap scores yet there was nothing in it at the scoreboard. We're half way through the round Robin and we're chopping and changing our half back line and midfield. Mullen form has being dissapointing and for all the ability he has it looks like at times he's not putting it on the pitch. Wally has being hurling well but the inconsistency of a few lads around him has the attack hamstrung .

    Dublin haven't being great to date but like most teams they'll rise their game for kk and if they have their noses in front with a few mins to go with a home crowd behind them we could be in big trouble. Weve a good record against them and parnell doesn't suit this dublin team they've done better in bigger pitches.We'll try to physically dominate them like we done in the league but this will be a different match. If huw is out he'll be a big loss and delaney could be caught for pace on ronan Hayes. Dublins main man is donal Burke and he will punish us if he's left In space so I wonder will butler be detailed to try keep him quite. We'll need more from the forwards and can't be relying on a chap to be showing leadership all the time. Blanchfield,Murphy could start and I wouldn't be suprised to see someone like fogarty around the middle. Bit of pressure on Saturday night if we lose this we could be the end of the year.it wouldn't be the biggest shock if the big 3 don't get out of the province. Tipp and cork are nearly gone and a loss for us could do the same



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 BIMMERAG


    You're dead right about about the training and trials that have been conducted over the last few years especially development squads. Clubs can only do so much with young lads in order to progress their skills and more importantly their game craft which is now an area that requires as much focus as the physical hurling coaching. From the number of coaching sessions I've seen that are run by the county board id have to say its utterly depressing. The will to change our approach, the will to think outside the box and dare anyone mention it the will to have a look at what's working for other counties that are now reaping the success of the coaching approach is simply not there. Take the schools coaching development offered by the county board for example, the same stuff that was being coached 30 years ago to children isnt good enough anymore. Underage hurling in Kilkenny is in a poor place in my opinion and recent lack of success is to be expected if we continue on the same path we are on. Clubs can only do so much, schools can only do so much, the county board can only do so much. But put those 3 organisations working together for the same goal and you have a very powerful prospect. It is however up to the county board to get serious about it now before we get to a place where All Ireland success is something that we might only be able to dream about. But i wouldn't hold my breath, we are Kilkenny appears to be what we are hanging our aspirations on, tradition isn't going to turn around our fortunes anytime soon and it is a depressing enough outlook on where we are and where we are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Bang on. I admire Laois for what they've achieved at minor level so far this year. From our point of view it should be a wake up call, once and for all. Just raking that one loss to Laois alone, the County Board need to ask how did Laois manage to make up so much ground on Kilkenny. St Kieran's and CBS contested the Leinster schools junior (under 16 and half) final this year. Laois don't even have a schools team in Roinn A.

    We ought to learn a lot by reviewing this match alone. And critically, take those learnings on board, immediately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 BIMMERAG


    I also admire Laois for what they are doing. A strong looking coaching team including Waterfords Derek McGrath has brought them to a historic first time ever meeting with neighbours Offaly in the minor final. I've even more admiration for Offaly and what they are doing. They had reached what might be considered rock bottom for hurling people in that county but in fairness to Duignan he has taken the reigns and responsibility to try and do things a little but different and some of that is no doubt the reason they will contest this historic final with Laois. No surprise either that a Limerick man is over this Offaly minor team, I'm open to correction on this but i believe Leo O Connor has had some involvement with the Limerick underage academy previously. Regardless of what county, (ok Tipp aside) it is fantastic to see progression especially when not so long ago minor titles were a distant memory for each of these teams contesting the upcoming one. Offaly last won in 2000 and Laois as far back as 1964. More luck to them i say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    Yes, more luck to both Offaly and Laois. Hopefully they continue to progress and make Leinster more competitive in time.

    I'd like to think our County Board will take note. If only we had a Michael Duignan.

    Post edited by Grats on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Is it strange we got no team last night for a match Saturday?



  • Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Nickindublin


    No i dont think so. I think last Saturday match it was posted on a Thursday. Be interesting to see the team named.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Well especially in light of what's meant to have happened after the last day I'd be interested in seeing if the ballyhale contingent are all still in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭barneygumble99


    Against Laois and Westmeath it was named on the Thursday



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  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭usernamethatsnotinuse


    never looked forward to seeing a team named as little as today with the rumours going around



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭kentu


    If I ever seen bad vibes



  • Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Nickindublin




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Can't see them not being available how many he'll pick is another matter. TJ could start on the bench after being whipped off at halftime the last day. Adrian was poor but who would you replace him with? Eoin Cody has to start, the others haven't been first choice since they came back so no surprise if their not included.



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭usualstripes


    There are a lot of rumours going around seemingly but aside from as one poster said previously Cody went on a tirade about Henry to the dressing room what else is supposed to have happened or why are posters worried about the team selection? Is it possible that some players have left the panel or is this people adding 2 and 2 and getting 5? I haven't heard a whole lot apart from Cody being displeased but maybe im not in the know as much as some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    You're probably right and it is just putting two and two together and then going buck wild speculating over nothing. The lack ofa team got me thinking but there again the dubs haven't named theirs either so probably nothing much to it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    If there's a grain of truth to the rumours, I for one hopes it comes to a head soon. We're going nowhere anyway. The senior setup needs sorting but more importantly, as mentioned by many, the underage structures need immediate attention starting with what Laois did to beat our minors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Agreed. I'm coming home to Ireland this summer in July and am hoping for a miracle where we nip into a final, so I can go to one again for the first time in nearly a decade, even if we haven't a chance of winning (but there again if you're in a final you've always a chance!).

    But at this stage a miracle is exactly what that would be, and even if it happened it would probably just mean the can being kicked down the road on what needs to be done to sustain longer term success.

    Still, hoping for a good strong performance tomorrow to put the rumours to bed, Cody has never tolerated dissent but he's also never been accused of the kind of behaviour that's alleged against him at the moment. Strange times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭kksaints


    TJ is starting anyway from the text the supporters club sent out. So is Buckley which baffles me tbh after the Galway match. No Huw Lawlor on the panel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭tbiggertycome


    Lawlor went down twice during the Galway game with his hand and supposedly has a fracture or break in a finger. Heard there's a small chance he'll be ready for the Wexford game.



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