Kilkenny GAA Thread

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226552#Comment_120226552

Good man Comerman. I base my opinions on what I see. All I remember of Conor Fogarty is making a hurler of the year out of Austin Gleeson. You must be related yourself. When Micheal Fennelly left the squad it was Conor Fogarts time to step up. He has been awful

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120227575#Comment_120227575

In fairness having the manager from your club helps. As we seen with Cody

Comerman

Not related and don't know the chap from Adam I just feel your constant criticism is a bit over the top.

me89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120227993#Comment_120227993

No point in interacting with him, Cody is gone now so attention has turned to Deegan and Fogarty.

kentu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120227918#Comment_120227918

Agreed on that, seen him hurl few times last year and is a very good talent but I would still say it's a bit too early for him. Hope he goes well though.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120227063#Comment_120227063

Reputation? Only if people insist on putting haloes on hurlers. They have the same human faults, weaknesses, temptations and challenges as the rest of us. Maybe more temptations and challenges than most in many respects as in the need to be seen to be successful in all spheres after a successful on field career. Plenty of suffering on all sides in these cases I'd say.

windy shepard henderson

Did he use his reputation to run a scam? If so that's far different altogether, I don't think you could defend either him or his sister at this stage

Realt Dearg Sec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120230907#Comment_120230907

That poster would argue the sky is green if you said it's blue so don't worry about it

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120230907#Comment_120230907

I'm not defending anyone. I'm simply saying that the world is full of scammers and people who got in over their heads. The fact that one alleged scammer happened to play hurling is not a great reason to play it out through speculation and guesswork on a forum such as this. In almost every facet of life people trade on reputation whatever that might be - who they know, the company they work for etc.

I'd say the least convincing reputation in financial matters for a person thinking rationally is that "I was quite good at sport once". So Caveat Emptor in that regard.

And I wouldn't be sure someone using their reputation in nefarious activities makes it any better or worse. The same damage is done. However, if it is the case it might be no harm for people to reflect on what gives public figures reputations which can be exploited? Usually probably very little of broader significance that tells you anything about their character.

Accidents of geography such as someone being from your own county does not confer magical status on them either. "Heroes" should be chosen carefully. There's far too much of the "gentleman off the pitch" nonsense spoken. This might be a good example of the naivety of that.

conor05

All managers are the same.

Liam Sheedy gave Robert Byrne from his own Portroe any amount of chances even though everyone knew he wasn’t up to it.

Helped Darren Gleeson up the ladder too, though Gleeson was very good.

If it’s a 50/50 between two lads A manager will pick his own club man more often than not.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231056#Comment_120231056

fair enough , i have little sympathy for him and what awaits him ,

i have more interest in the game today , i fancy KK today , 10 changes is too many in my opinion by tipp last week was a different type of game to this , ye have a strong team named too

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231187#Comment_120231187

Yeah, with Clare (troublesome League opponents for Kilkenny usually), Wexford, Cork, Limerick and Galway in the other group, Kilkenny should easily make the League final. The challenge for supporters will be to not read too much into it like happened in, was it 2018?

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231425#Comment_120231425

or even last year in thurles , no one was giving half these players a chance after that game in the league ,

Beechwoodspark

Rumours in the paper today about a very prominent ex hurler

if these rumours are true, surely to heavens he will have to leave the GAA completely.

rumours spreading like wildfire around the county.

Locals are absolutely disgusted with the Carry on.

windy shepard henderson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231453#Comment_120231453

its been mentioned on here , there is even a thread about it on this site at the moment

Butterbeans

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231453#Comment_120231453

Less of the sensationalism. We're all aware here.

ShamoBuc

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evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231169#Comment_120231169

Pretty sure Byrne was MOTM in the under 21 final in 2018. He was always going to be tried. Byrne has all the hurling and everything required but none of the commitment. The task was always to get Byrne committed. I'd say he probably has twice the talent of someone like Cadell and just as talented as Brian McGrath (way more physical than both) but has about 25% of their application to training. The reason Byrne was stuck with was because of his massive potential. But Byrne couldn't give a sh*t.

Darren Gleeson was an easy pick. Outstanding at club level. He was also on the Tipp underage radar but not to the same extent as Byrne.

It's not like they were not on the road already. That Gleeson wasn't picked says more of previous managers. But I do agree, managers tend to go with a club man that they've seen themselves do the business regularly.

forchange

Actually I think he was 4 choice

but to say what you say you must be very bitter of him because in fairness like him or love him he one of the most successful managers at all levels and even in weaker counties you can’t argue with facts

cody management of kilkenny has being terribly in the last seven years every since fogarty left him not only in results but how he managed players and how he used his position as manager to promote his son and village players facts are facts

if I was related to him I would have no problem with it

forchange

It’s being said I want to get rid of half the team

buckley did not play last year all Ireland

fogarty did not play last year all Ireland

Walter a bit player

Keogan taking of in Leinster semie and final

great trier run all day to me to hurl for kilkenny you need more especially in championship in crime park

Billy Ryan I have not seeing anyone argue otherwise

Between under 20 and some very good young players coming through I just think start fro scratch

today young heary a great hurler being put in comer back he is a half back what you could learn today about him for the championship would be invaluable what are you going to learn about Buckley

By all accounts a few of the lads gone to Australia could be on the way home

briancoolcat

Hi there not related to above topic but was wondering if any of you used the TG4 links on you tube to stream any of the club hurling games this year? I tried to stream one of ballyhales game the

briancoolcat

Jesus the first half is a tough watch. I have to agree with the above poster that cillian Buckley should be gone he is terrible he has nothing to offer going forward giving away the ball, bad passes leading to scores, billy Ryan is worth persevering with has something to offer. And another gripe KCLR not even offering the game live after blocking CRKC from live gaa broadcasts. Sham station.

cargo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231939#Comment_120231939

??????????? KCLR have the stream up....You have a choice of 2 streams when you click in. Carlow frequency gives you Carlow football game (think its vs Kerry) and KK frequency gives you the KK/Tipp game

https://listen.kclr96fm.com/livestream/

me89

As bad a first half as I've seen, woeful stuff.

Realt Dearg Sec

Hard to argue with your assessment of Wally, Ryan, and Buckley on that half of hurling anyway. Shooting is terrible, defending is really soft, we are miles off the pace. It's only February and we're missing loads of lads etc etc but everyone in that dressing room should be bouncing off the walls to prove they can do a better job than that display.

me89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231981#Comment_120231981

In fairness to Ryan he's the only forward who's got on the ball, scored a nice point and set up another.

kksaints

Fairly awful half. First touch of the players is dreadful. Players are too static also, Tipps 2nd goal came from a player waiting for the ball instead of moving towards it. I think once the short passing clicks it will work but there's work to be done. Tallis needs to work on his judgement of pace when passing, he's underhit too many at this stage. Buckley as sweeper should have a short lifespan, he hasn't been good. Billy Ryan's movement is needed but we need more end product, we'd have a few goal chances if he got rid of the ball at the right time.

Butterbeans

2nd to every ball, no one looking up when passing or clearing the ball....Buckley must have given away possession 3 or 4 times which resulted in a score for Tipp.

2nd goal for Tipp was a shambles.

Damage limitation for the 2nd half

briancoolcat

Thanks my bad I was on the Carlow frequency 👍

conor05

That performance wouldn’t get you a win in the Joe McDonagh cup, it’s a level below, more like Christy ring stuff lads can’t even jab lift the ball off the ground, can’t handpass to a chap 5 yards away and hitting the ball wide in their own side on the 21.

They’d want to really really improve in the second half so it doesn’t become an embarrassing score line.

cargo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120232015#Comment_120232015

No bother....Maybe you were better off 😕

mullinr2

How is Cillian Buckley still on the field let alone near the panel? We must be really stuck for players. This is an awful showing for Derek Lyngs first big game against our biggest rivals at home. Why did he not ask the Ballyhale lads to come back for this game?

Mad about baa baas

The 1 ballyhale lad that's there isn't doing much..blanchfield is after making a difference since coming on

mullinr2

What will Lyng learn from this game. Well he can't have a forward line that has Walter, Ryan and Mossy in it at the same time. Buckley should be cut from the panel. Padraig Walsh is more than past his best at this stage. Tallis leads a lot of work on his puckouts. They were dreadful. We are really reliant on the Ballyhale lads to make the difference, hopefully Mullen is not too far away

Butterbeans

Just as awell we do have the Ballyhale lads to come back, not that that guarantees us anything, but I don't think they should have played today, one decision we got right. I was hoping for a much better showing from the rest of the panel, bit better in the 2nd half but Tipp were poor enough for first 20 mins of 2nd half too, some awful wides on both sides.

Blanchfield made a difference when he came in, fielded some lovely ball and looked up and hit some nicely measured diagonal ball in to Drennan and Mossy. Donnelly should have buried that ball, needed to bounce it though. Tallis had some poor puckouts too.

All in all, depressing enough......early days though

Village87

Lawlor, Blancfield, Billy Ryan and Drennan were outstanding. Most of the others bet or just not up to it.

forchange

very disappointed in that result

it’s bad enough not playing well but playing so badly against a poor team

Walter as bad a performance I have seeing

Buckley gone past it hit more ball to tipp than kilkenny player

paddy Deegan the usual tried hard no end product

mossy the same missed as much as he got come pace in championship at nothing

fogarty Gone past it 3 years now

billy ryan again missed more than he got gave away ball

nothing changed

The manager showed his inexperience by picking a chap from his own club with no experience of this level most hurling people did not know who he was

so now we have a chance to face reality

the comment that we nearly won all Ireland is a person that really needs to look at it only for Tj gave a one man show if he had any one with him we would have won unfortunately there was to many work houses and negative hurlers with him

The only person responsible for that was the great manager that was his philosophy it was more important to be able to stop other team than you go and beat them with your skill the way kilkenny teams always did

for a change when ye going to have a go at me back up with facts

everthing I said was showing up out on that pitch today

re John Donnelly I have said he good hurler unfortunately not quick enough for championship hurling

today he scored his usual few pints but again missed a few wish it was different

see you all for the championship

usualstripes

Some interesting points.

Yes it was probably a bit soon to throw kilian doyle in midfield.

Yes buckley gave away a lot of possession but he will still have a role to play in the summer.

Padraig does some outstanding work but also leaves gaps in the half back line.

Put blanchfield in wing back and leave him there.

Tommy walsh and Darren mullen will add competition to the full back line.

As richie reid and blanchfield will in the half back line.

Ditto paddy mullen and possibly ronan corcoran in the middle.

TJ, Adrian mullen and eoin Cody will do their stuff from there on.

Mid February and very little ball work done. If we were in this position mid April then I'd start to have a few worries but we will improve.

At the same time it's not nice to get turned over by 5 points by anyone at home. The bite wasn't there today with the exception of drennan, Billy Ryan, lawlor and a few more.

Tallis got caught a few times with his half back line but that's down to communication more than anything else.

Denny61

Have to laugh here at all ye kilkenny supporters trying to defend yer team here by saying it was a poor tipp team ..take yer beating like real gaa people and not using lame excuses..im a neutral and tipp were exceptional and a lot of up and coming talent ..

jimmythesulk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120232460#Comment_120232460

That was Tipps All Ireland today. We are looking to peak when it matters.

BORO BILL

Tipp by far better team but Kilkenny selection didn’t help them. Thought Blanchfield and Donnelly were outstanding when they came on. Midfield and half back line got wiped out. Billy Ryan got on a lot of ball but did little with it, Wally was very poor and Shane Walsh tried hard but not sure about him physically at this level

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120232504#Comment_120232504

They looked fairly subdued for a team after winning an All Ireland.

I'm happy to give Lyng and the lads the league to work on things so not troubled by the result. Come the Championship though, expectations will be increased big time.

The major concern I have is when TJ is gone - retired. Even if he doesn't play every game, he's still good enough to turn up and carry us through a big game.

Over the decades we've always had a talisman, that one player that would put us on his back and carry us through difficult games.

I don't see where that person is coming from when TJ hangs them up.

Realt Dearg Sec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120232460#Comment_120232460

How would saying tipp were poor be an excuse for losing ffs?

forchange

Darren Mullen gone of panel

mason

joe cuddihy

Darren Mullen

left of panel last week

JJs Left Hand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120232460#Comment_120232460

Exceptional me bollocks. Both teams kept turning into the middle off the short puck out against the wind instead of turning wide. The difference was Kilkennys second pass was always so bad it opened us up for the turnover and they punished us whereas we didn't punish them enough. They were much the better team, could've been 20 up at HT with the wides they hit and its early days with Cahill so they'll only get better but they were far from exceptional and I think most Tipp people would agree with that.

Thoughts on KK

Short puck outs were obviously bad but was very disappointed with Tallis long puck outs. Weren't crossing the far 65 in the first half and no pace behind them in the 2nd. Some good saves but striking was poor.

Heary not a corner back any day of the week.

Buckley was bad but Pádraig was awful. The worst culprit in the first half for trying to run the ball through the middle. Any time we went wide we actually got the ball moving up the field but trying to work it through the middle was a total shambles.

Blanchfield made a massive difference when he came on.

Doyle looked like an 18 year old out there. Totally lost and ultimately unfair to have him out there. If he was there on merit from training whoever he was marking should be gone.

Butchered 3 goal chances with lads going high instead of along the ground.

Drennan looks the part if he can be fed more regularly.

Don't see it with Shane Walsh at all myself.

Wally was bad. Really bad.

Lack of communication around the middle at times was really bad. Numerous Tipp puck outs with a Tipp lad sitting in the middle of the field on his own and at one stage Noel McGrath got a point when he was in, no exaggeration, 40 yards of space.

It's only February so no need to panic but Blanchfield has to start every time. Can't understand why he didn't start today.

forchange

Hope you are right remember tipp in same boat they lost 2 players early

more worrying looking at Dublin making easy work of Antrim and the job we had last week

unfortunately not looking good for Mullen

Tj struggling with injury

Neewollah

Blanchfield hadn't set the world alight in Walsh Cup and against antrim. Made a few basic mistakes so wasn't surprised to see him dropped but I still think he's our long term wing back, midfielder and needs to be stuck with.

forchange

When is that when we play Wexford

Thats gone beyond us the last few years

forchange

To defend Cody’s management of kilkenny for the last 7 years you would have to be a village man which probably showed the bitterness towards Michail Walsh I wish my club would have someone that could bring us the success he has brought them

if I picking manager it would be Eddie Brennan if he improved kilkenny as much as he improved Laois as a team we be at top table

I am not related to Micky Walsh I from

Mullinavat thought my early posts would have giving that away

it not worry me if I was he seemed to handle his success with great modesty