Kilkenny GAA Thread

Freneys Treasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120217747#Comment_120217747

John Donnelly included in your list of players who are not hurlers but are just picked as "runners work hard"? Hard to understand that one

Comerman

Some posters are better ignored, two (or one) especially. Calling for heads to roll all last year and at it again already in February but still attended the Antrim game in terrible conditions. Be better off following the rugby or football and give up on Kilkenny hurling and give us all a break,there's no understanding some people 🤪

forchange

both of them have being a lot more successful than anybody else

mickey Walsh success rate way above anybody in killenny.

forchange

Taking off in every championship match

facts are facts

forchange

Just because he hurls for Comer does not mean he good enough

he was very poor for comer in the championship

forchange

He is a great man to work

scores a pint or 2

he should be staring for Thomastown again not so good in semifinals

forchange

Why are shamrocks so successful

They play hurling they use the ball they use space

They have the greatest hurler ever

They best hurling fullback

the best hurling fullforward exhibition in club all Ireland

so sticking with players that have showing they can’t do it

that’s why I said he should build a team

That’s why I said

walter gone past it showed that in junior championship

padraig poor year with club

Deegan tries hard good in winter conditions summer not so good destroyed in all Ireland

Buckley very poor year terrible year for club

Donnelly unbelievable effort to slow at the highest level

Billy Ryan very poor year with club and county

fogarty Very poor

Richie ?

mossy just not good enough played ok against Laois Westmeath a very poor Dublin team taking of in Leinster final semifinal and all Ireland

7 of these played in Belfast and we gone to win all Ireland

I don’t cod myself we lucky we In Leinster

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120218892#Comment_120218892

Agreed. I wonder if they even go to matches at all. They're quick to drop players but never come up with alternatives. Reminder, it's 15 aside, not 7 or less!!!

PeggyShippen

The big one for Limerick is the Clare match this Saturday. That's the Derby match. The supporters of bith sides wouldnt expect anything less. I'd say Kiely will pick a strong team for that. The Galway match might be tame enough. Could be an easy win for Galway against a 2nd string limerick that day.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219105#Comment_120219105

I do agree with some of the players alright. Harsh to label Donnelly in the same category as Alan Murphy, Conor Browne and Billy Ryan. Every team needs a Mossy Keoghan and Walter Walsh both very effective at times, look not the most skilful but make big impacts physically and on the scoreboard. Mickey Walsh would have been an awful choice manager, past his time now.

forchange

Went to 33 senior matches

all kilkenny matches for 20 years

will be in Galway tonight in Dublin last night

instead of stupid comments tell me what I have said is wrong I have giving you the facts about players performances

not one of you has criticised Conor Browne hurling for kilkenny and his performances he could not even pass a ball 5 yards

There plenty of good young hurlers coming through bring them and build a team around them all they will do if they sitting on bench watching players that had there day is walk away and who could blame them

you now going to loose Dean mason he left off panel after having a great year for a lad that does not even play on goal

Alonzo Moseley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120215751#Comment_120215751

I watched the Harty Cup final and thought the standard was below the Leinster final. Pres Athenry v Loughrea in Connacht final was also a better standard to the Harty final

The Harty Cup has an aura, but results at All Ireland level over history would suggest that Leinster teams, especially Kieran's, are well able for the Harty teams. Kieran's have often beaten Harty winners that had been hyped up as "best ever schools team" etc

Conversations 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220066#Comment_120220066

I'm getting a headache reading your posts.

forchange

Is that good enough at county level one maybe but 2 or 3

Donnely Walter mossy

you as town person might know

better but from out the country it’s at least 4 years he has trained boro teams to county finals did he train boro to 17/19/21 tiles in one year village beat them in senior but they seemed to bring on a lot of young players that are now in county panel was not at village game so he must do something right

all I would say not to many managers has the success he has before lyng he was last person to win all Ireland at 21

Grats

Ignore button! Let those one/two converse with themself!

Alonzo Moseley

Was at DCU V WIT last night, not a great match. Lots of Kilkenny players involved. No standouts but Jamie Harkin and Sean Purcell were good for Waterford.

Ciaran Brennan came on for DCU. He started for them on strong team as a first year and now two years later is only a sub for last 5 mins on a much weaker team. But he has pace and has the hurling so maybe time yet. We need a pacey corner forward who can turn his man. Not sure Billy Ryan will ever be that person.

Adrian Mullen named in subs for DCU but didn't see him on bench or in warm up. Hopefully not too far away from a return.

Doubt WIT can win out, no big names, but should be competitive at least in semi.

Think Fitzgibbon may have peaked as a competition, the intercounty season is now too short, and managers will start to want players for league, and it’s also a tough competition where likelihood of injury is high. It may have had its day.

Billy Ocean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220990#Comment_120220990

Fitzgibbon is a brilliant competition, getting rid of January pre season intercounty competitions and giving it its on window in January is a straightforward enough solution to me, only crossover might be players involved in all Ireland club finals and that could move to before xmas in time.

kentu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220861#Comment_120220861

If we did engage with them we'd be struggling to make up a starting 15 even with the way people are wrote off!!

brookville

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220066#Comment_120220066

In all fairness you're talking a good bit of scutter while also making the same points that have being said here time after time.

No one is going to disagree brownes hurling isn't good enough,kk have struggled for years for a consistent mid field pairing. You're on about browne and leahy and they're not even on the panel.

Cody used most of the lads you'd retire as impact players anyway.Wally,Richie,Buckley,fogarty and recently padraig haven't being always starting or if they did were subbed.

We all agree it's now or never for alan Murphy,Billy ryan and delaney. I know donnelly has suffered badly with his breathing but he is one lad that has the most potential and has a great pair of hands.

I know for a fact John Walsh couldn't translate his good club form in the county set up. Shane Walsh will hopefully be given time but some lads struggle to make the step up.

Buckley missed game time with the boro so don't know how he was terrible. I think if the boro had him against the village they would of bet them.

Fogarty was excellent against tullaron in the park and got a few points last year

I've being on about Owen wall a few years and I would of liked to have seen him in but he obviously declined the offer.

Ballyhale are an exceptional team and we will probably never see what they have done again. 3 starting county fowards in a club team is very very rare. Paddy mullen is getting called in now after a good year I hope he takes his chance because we could do with his strength around mid field and is always good for a few scores

Ffs Darren brennan,scruff and Tallis all play outfield for their club so I don't know what you're on about mason for. I'd have Tallis as reserve keeper on what I have seen of him the last few years.

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120221866#Comment_120221866

Excellent post, thank you.

forchange

What you saw of talis he played out field mason won Leinster final and semie final for shamrocks

Buckley played enough hurling for boro

they Boro lads will tell you he played poor

owen wall had hip scraped.

hopefully back to best this year I would agree a good hurler

in fairness never mentioned Leahy really he never good enough either

I saw John Walsh score 1-10 from play in fresford for kilkenny in walsh cup

he a scoring forward better than

ryan

mossy

Brazil

walter

they might get you a pint or 2

you talk about scutter how can you say you know John walsh would not make it

Buckley missed one game

its time a few of you wake and realise it’s 7 years and if we keep with this crowed it will be a long time because this crowed have showing not good enough take TJ out and we at arse of garden

Donnely great trier when has he scored more than 2/3 pints

Deskjockey

I think it's great that hurling's appeal has grown so much that now we have fans of the game who haven't grown up with it, and particularly lads who don't have English as their first language.

So well done, and keep enjoying the games. ( thumbs up)

PeggyShippen

The Harty Cup is unique. I do agree that the standard is over blown at times. But its a fantastic competition. The sheer number and variety of contenders lately has made it even bigger. Rugby schools like CBC and Ard Scoil Ris ( was and is a big Munster rugby senior A school) competing regularly and Tulla and Cashel winning over the past 2 years..First time winners.

St Kierans are a storied school but how many times have they cruised through Leinster to peak for an All Ireland semi and final. Abit like Kilkenny senior teams. I'm a huge fan of Kilkenny and really like this forum.

Village87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120220990#Comment_120220990

I was very impressed with the 2 Kilkenny players for DCU, Martin O'Connell( stamp of Adrian Mullen) and Conor Hennessy, great pace, must have scored or assisted in 1-4 in the first half. Paul Cody worked hard and Sean Purcell has a bit of presence. Brennan gave away a stupid free when on and had little impact

Darragh Corcoran on the UL team and Ian Bryne on the bench, they bet a UCD team with 3/4 Kilkenny players by 20 + points.

NUIG and UCC are full of Cork and Galway players.

Alonzo Moseley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223092#Comment_120223092

Yes, O' Connell was good.

Terrific to see so many Kilkenny players on all teams, lads I have barely heard of and yet mannning positions on strong Fitz teams. Shows Kilkenny pound for pound still produces. UL look ridiculously strong.

I felt sorry for Brennan, made up 20 metres chasing down the guy then ends up tripping him. A microcosm of how things are going for him!!

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120222106#Comment_120222106

Any chance of a full stop or a bit of grammar? Very poor reading experience.

These standards that you are holding the ideal Kilkenny hurler to and standards of winning was created by Cody and his players - including the current crop.

The oul nose, face, spite line comes to mind.

Spirit and personality of a panel is a huge part of success, everything you're saying runs counter to the spirit of a panel.

Alonzo Moseley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120222746#Comment_120222746

I have never bought in to "cruise along and peak for an AI final stuff". Cushy runs to an All Ireland finals at any grade on balance do not favour participating teams. Hurling history is littered with teams that cruised out of their provinces only to get chinned in finals or semis. Limerick would have been far more vulnerable to getting done in final last year if they had cruised to final instead of being put to the pin by Clare and Galway.

You need to be tested along the way or there's a very good chance you won’t be able when you have to really step up.

Not interested in any "Munster hurling me arse" BS debate but the reality is that weak provinces tend to produce vulnerable finalists.

Kilkenny's record in All Ireland finals improved steadily as Leinster got stronger, initially with Wex in 50s, then Offaly and on in to Galway 15 years ago.

Conversely, Kilkenny and other Leinster reps regularly got beaten from the mid 30s to mid 50s because the standard of hurling in province was poor.

The standard of schools hurling in Leinster is better than you give credit for. I'd be fairly confident Offaly Schools or a full strength Kieran’s wouldbeat either of this year's Harty finalists and the other 5-6 teams in Leinster wouldn’t be remotely outmatched against this year’s other Harty teams.

It is the reverse in schools rugby where there is huge hype about the Leinster Schools Cup but the standard in the less hyped Munster and Ulster competitions is every bit as good.

forchange

Sorry I not as educated as you with your lovely words

spirit in a team with out tactics where did it get you

since 2016 lost 3 all Ireland’s 1 the biggest defeat ever in all Ireland

players left panel that had giving serious effort / spirit to kilkenny hurling under terrible circumstances

all this after 2016 when he left players out of panel how he could include Jackie in all Ireland panel and include his son who was injured and never good enough anyway

stood on side line with hands folded and done nothing actually commented on Sunday game

Destroyed the greatest goal keeper by not being able to organise a puck out strategy

you swear no one else could get spirit into teams

Spirit it’s a big part you have to be able to hurl as a team that’s as important

amazing all you could comment on is my poor grammar but not one fact to contradict what I have said about players performances

Buckley very poor for 2 years

fogarty very poor for a few years now

Walter he give you a few minutes against weaker teams

padraig moved into forwards lost pace in back line

paddy a great example of that spirit you talk about then hits ball anywhere

Billy Ryan great example of the saying running around like a head less chicken

mossy another great spirit man when it comes to top level sorry

Leinster final taking off semi final and all Ireland also imagine colm Fennely full forward last year he must not have the spirit

he did for shamrocks

my grammar never won me a hurling match but my skill did

I judge hurlers on there skill level I didn’t fall for Cody thing that effort won hurling matches skill does and I will say it again and again only because we have the greatest players ever the last few years we would be at arse of garden

last league we won lost first 2 matches he averaged 16 pints

hope the grammar didn’t effect you

evolvingtipperary101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223926#Comment_120223926

11 All-Irelands, 18 Leinster titles, and 10 National Leagues in his 24 inter-county seasons.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223608#Comment_120223608

Galway disproved this theory. Years ago they said they'd win far more All Ireland titles with more match practice but when they got that it didn't happen. A softer run never did Kerry footballers much harm either. The advantage of the handy run is that you are guaranteed to be still standing. Not much use having competitive games if you've been knocked out in the process.

forchange

Actually he won most of that in 17 years

as Anthony Daly said his grand mother would have managed them

how about his management for the 5 in Rowe

turned it into a circus the one time he actually had to manage team he could not do he totally fucked up playing players that were totally unfit to play where was his great saying it’s all about the panel

not sure of year think 99 he made another **** up taking of John power and let one Corcoran go on and beat us

how about down in thurles against Waterford in extra time he took of 3 players injured and then put them back on

fact when fogarty left him he won nothing

look at his miserable efforts to put a midfield partnership together kept picking his club mate

anyone that would know anything about hurling would have knowing the partnership he put out last year in midfield would not succeed

young kenny one of the best hurlers we have for quiet sometime he had not a clue how to use the young lad

so if lyng going to change style we play he needs to pick hurlers and not runners

last thing on Cody he the same manager that got rid of one of the greatest hurlers ever in cha just because of his size

and the biggest **** up he made us he wanted to get rid of TJ only people got Tj to change his mind

me89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120223926#Comment_120223926

We don't need another break down about how poor every player in the squad is.

They came within a couple of points of winning the all Ireland last year and now by your account half the starting team shouldn't be on the panel, absolute nonsense.

Grats

There was a similar poster to this recent one in the past, who continuously insulted Brian Cody. It's solution was to bring in Mickey Walsh! To suggest that, you'd have to be related to the man.

Alonzo Moseley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120224204#Comment_120224204

Really? I never heard anyone from Galway say that. In fact, just this week they pleaded to be finally allowed in to Leinster minor and openly conceded this move would inevitably result in them winning less All Irelands.

Anyway, that's not the point I'm making, getting straight to an AI semi-final (and occasionally a final even) is an advantage. Winning weak provincial championships to even qualify for a semi isn't. Look at Kilkenny's AI record, far far better when they had to beat strong Leinster opposition. We could easily have gone 22 years without an AI without two 1 pt wins, and regularly had our asses handed to us.

Some of those Kilkenny teams had all-time greats on them but they just weren't able for the Munster winners in the 40s and 50s.

The rate at which we have won AL’s since Wexford emerged in the 1950s is miles better than it had been previously. The feeling being that if we could beat Wexwe will be able for anything Munster throws at us.

The same can be said with Kerry, look how their semi and finals record improves when Cork are able to put it up to them, 70s 80s Noughties. But only 1 AI from 2009 to 2022 when Cork (for the most part) were weak. Just one AI from 10 rovincial wins (most of them cakewalks).

And this isn’t a pop at Munster (which at present has 5 fairly strong teams while Leinster has no more than 3), but plenty Munster winners have flopped in AI series after winning provincial titles in a canter.

You can of course win AI’s after coasting through your province. but on balance, it’s nowhere near the advantage it might appear.

Charlie69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120225354#Comment_120225354

You're wasting your time with that poster my friend, has a history of being very bitter towards Kilkenny.

When Galway had the easiest province of all and basically went straight into an all ireland semi final they didn't win very much but when Leinster was weak it was perceived as an advantage to Kilkenny... Go figure.

The fact of the matter is anytime KK won an all ireland it was because they were the best team in the country and the same goes for a winner from any other province.

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120225710#Comment_120225710

Well said.

brookville

Great to see Shane Walsh starting I hope it goes well for him. Most of us agree he would be a big help if he can translate his good club form

Full back line is all o loughlins and again heary is a good hurler.

Big step up for cillian doyle who played for kierans last Saturday but great to see new lads getting a chance.

tbiggertycome

KKvTipp

A Tallis

M Butler H Lawlor C Heary

C Buckley P Walsh D Corcoran

P Deegan K Doyle

W Walsh B Ryan C Kenny

B Drennan M Keoghan S Walsh Subs

E Murphy

D Blanchfield

D Dunne

P Moylan

C Fogarty

S Murphy

A Murphy

P Cody

J Donnelly

G Dunne

I Byrne

JJs Left Hand

Re Sundays team despite one man giving out about the same lads playing, Lyng and the lads not afraid to throw the chaps in. Drennan starting again and after Dunne has played a few games Killian Doyle gets in at midfield. I've posted plenty that I thought it was too early for the 3 of them and they wouldn't be physically ready but will be happy to be proved wrong.

Tipp with a very experimental team as well.

citykat

Good to see Conor Fogarty back in contention

Comerman

Some might not like it 😁

Grats

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226460#Comment_120226460

😢 Oh dear

Comerman

Fuckem, village and the village idiot 👍

kilkennyboy

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gardai-investigating-household-name-gaa-29187739

Sad to see.

Rosita

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120225354#Comment_120225354

Galway people used to maintain that their situation was a big disadvantage. Time has shown otherwise.

As for Kilkenny, the historically weak opposition in Leinster 2006-09 didn't kill them.

I couldn't comment on the 40s and 50s to be honest but the idea that teams to better against stronger opposition makes no sense. If a team plays enough strong teams the likelihood is they'll eventually be beaten.

Grats

So?

Rosita

Mod Edit

Warning issued.

murtyd17

Brutal stuff - how did he think he'd get away with it

The Birchfield Boy

A bit unfair on young Doyle. A lot of pressure on the chap, still u20, in the middle of schools hurling and the leaving cert.

JJs Left Hand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120227456#Comment_120227456

Well to be fair by starting Sunday his chances of a scholarship, which were probably already fairly high, just went way up so barring injury I'm sure he'll be fine.