Russia - threadbanned users in OP

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370195#Comment_120370195

The actual general's in Ukraine no better then troops on the frontline and arm chair generals. Your point is irrelevant. If I was a frontline soldiers and there were over a hundred Ukrainian soldier's dying daily I'd be complaining too. It's only human nature.

Elsewhere Finland are edging ever close to NATO thank God. I don't really care how long it takes Sweden realistically they're in no danger of being invaded. Finland are never safe and once they're in Russia wouldn't dare attack them.

Gatling

@timmyntc Same thing can be said for those advocating for no withdrawal from bakhmut. Plenty of video of actual UA soldiers complaining about the situation in Bakhmut and wondering why command hasnt given the order to pull back to better lines.

From the same people say the same thing for 7 months and guess what, bakhmut holds ,

How many more tens of thousands of Russians will be sent to the slaughter for town or city they can never hold, literally night after night hundreds of Russians walk across open Fields only to be slaughter by ukrainian artillery and drones ,it's not the Ukrainans walking around without armor or air cover,

They are sitting in trenches and hard cover,

And they haven't even started a counter attack yet,and yet the arm chair privates on here are already predicting it's failed based of two reports in the media from the same person,

We see videos daily from Ukrainans on the front lines in bakhmut and Vuhledar and guess what they aren't crying about lack of training or ammunition of crying about exhaustion.

Why ????

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120369935#Comment_120369935

Interesting that they have gone after him on the specific charge of abducting children from Ukraine - there's nothing to say he couldn't be charged with military war crimes in future, but they are probably biding their time on that one especially as the war is still at full tilt.

Lol Erdogan approves Finlands NATO membership

Sounds like he owns NATO

https://youtu.be/18vd2MuXzhY

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370289#Comment_120370289

It's the one that's most published crimes they have unwittingly said hello everyone aren't we so great we have deported 600,000 + children to Russia and they are all currently in the process of being adopted into Russian families, we've saved all these Ukrainian children from their own families.

Hopefully they nail him and anyone else connected to massive war crimes against Ukrainian civilians

Larbre34

They won't.

They can't. The only way he gets his just desserts is a bullet in the head from one of his own. And everyone knows it.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370296#Comment_120370296

Every NATO member has a veto on new members joining. Its not the first time new admissions have been a political football, thats just the way it goes.

Erdogan and Orban don't own NATO, they just need to compensate for their microscopic penises now and then.

Finland and Sweden will be ratified members soon enough.

Dohnjoe

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Podge_irl

"West to Poland"

🙄

While the Russians are poorly cosplaying as the Soviets, Poland have no interest in playing their Nazi counterparts.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370285#Comment_120370285

Russia is outshelling Ukraine by more than 10-to-1, Ukrainians have been very clear on this and the need for more artillery pieces and munitions.

Sitting in trenches is no guarantee of safety from artillery barrages 10x greater than anything they can inflict on the Russians in response. And the Russians occupying higher ground around bakhmut makes counter battery warfare more difficult.

Plenty of testimony about Bakhmut being a meatgrinder for Ukrainians too, notions of 7 to 1 kill ratios are just copium.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/23/life-expectancy-on-frontline-in-ukraine-4-hours-soldier/

Larbre34

The fact that Ukraine can keep a superpower like Russia pinned down in a backwater town like Bakhmut, is no reason for hubris from Russia or its shills. In fact, they should be absolutely mortified at their impotence and incompetence.

Meanwhile Ukraine readies new armoured battalions for the Spring offensive. Once that begins, Russia will fold like a cheap grifter getting a baseball bat to the belly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370387#Comment_120370387

Maybe your info is a bit outdated,we all know the situation in Ukraine

https://www.understandingwar.org/

prunudo

It be great if there was a feature where certain threads required posters to have a minimum number of posts before they were allowed participate, similar to the way links or photos can't be shared initially. Would cut out a lot of the spammers on certain threads.

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370195#Comment_120370195

There are armchair generals on both sides: some calling for withdrawal from Bakhmut, some calling for the Ukrainians to stand fast, and it's all based in claims from here and there and snippets of opinion. The truth is nobody knows for sure. The age-old "fog of war" means that the Russians on the ground don't know what the Ukrainians on the ground know, the Ukrainians on the ground don't know what the Russians on the ground know. Likewise, we outside the battlezone don't know what either of them know, nor can we know what NATO intelligence-gathering assets can see, and what they're feeding to the Ukrainians.

There's a reason Napoleon would just tell his corps scommanders what he wanted and leave it up to them how they did it. The Germans in WW2 used "auftragstaktik" (Mission Command) for the same reason: the commander on the spot is the guy best placed to know the terrain, the conditions and the state of his own forces and his opposition, and make his own decisions about what to do. Napoleon broke his own rules when he tried to dictate matters in Spain from Paris (and later Russia!). The information he received was often out of date by the time he got it, and the orders he sent were often out of date by the time they arrived. During the American Civil war, event with the benefit of telegraphic communications, the high-ups in Washington had little success when they tried to manoeuvre the Union's armies in the field by remote control.

The same is no less true today, with patchy, incomplete and often misleading information buzzing around the Internet. TV and print news reporters while having plenty of resources behind them still have a limited view, and there is probably much that they won't be told anyway by either side. Even the genuine military experts we see interviewed pepper their assessments with caveats about limited information. Anyone without up-to-date, comprehensive, detailed intelligence of the battlefield situation who is confidently stating that either side should do this or that is bullshitting.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370387#Comment_120370387

And yet they can't take bakhmut,

Says it all really,and to think the Ukrainans haven't even pushed back yet

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370476#Comment_120370476

I agree with the premise - however its been reported on a few times that Zelensky himself gave the order not to retreat from Bakhmut but to reinforce the city.

If the Ukrainian officers are anything like the Soviet Union system they grew up in, there may be many reluctant to give a true depiction of the situation in Bakhmut lest it fall on their head.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370519#Comment_120370519

But the majority of Ukrainan military personnel aren't from the Soviet union era ,

Talking about trying to spin it for a pro Kremlin outlook

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370536#Comment_120370536

"Soviet Union system" - unless you think that post 1991 all of the culture and behaviours of people (and military) within Soviet States totally changed to something like the west.

The Russian forces still suffer greatly from the Soviet attitudes toward reporting accurate information up the channels, and the promotion of yes men and incompetents to higher ranks.

The idea that Ukraine is not prone to the same corruptions and incompetence given their history of shared culture and military institutions, is delusional. (Zaluzhny himself trained alongside/under current Russian general Gerasimov)

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370564#Comment_120370564

They purged the Soviets from their ranks over the last 9 years,

And on bakhmut and their 10 -1 artillery advantage, reports over the last few days suggests that Russian guns have stopped their attacks,

Have they run low or out of shells,but I'm sure you tell us all about the Russian war economy

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370581#Comment_120370581

Another account had a saying they use in Switzerland

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370576#Comment_120370576

They purged the Soviets from their ranks, and yet their top general is one who trained in the Soviet system with the current top Russian general?

ejmaztec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370586#Comment_120370586

It's like the Monty Python sketch from decades ago about a dodgy Hungarian phrasebook. 🤣

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370519#Comment_120370519

Zelensky will also have more information than most, given that he is Supreme CinC of Ukrainian armed forces and will be regularly briefed by his own military. He is also likely to factor higher strategic and political considerations into his thinking, so we know no more about what has driven specific decisions than we do about anything else. Even the two sentences in your post above allude to the difficulty of knowing:

"...iIt's been reported that..."

"...there may be many..."

Can you really make a credible claim to be able to say with any confidence whatsoever what either side should or shouldn't do?

The Duke of Wellington said that "All the business of war, indeed all the business of life, is to endeavour to find out what you don’t know from what you do: that is what is called “guessing what’s on the other side of the hill”"

From where we sit, it's all on the other side of the hill.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370650#Comment_120370650

Timmy previously claimed he had evidence of NASM Anti aircraft missles blowing up buildings all over ukraine, just the Western news wasn't reporting about it ,

briany

Lot of point scoring going on here, arguing with trolls about the exact situation on the ground. The overarching fact is this:- Russia invaded Ukraine (officially) on Feb 24 2022, with the intention of subjugating Ukraine in its entirety. They may not have been trying to get forces to every part of the country, but they were certainly at least trying to get to Kyiv and remove the Ukrainian administration, and looking to do it in reasonably short order. In all strategic aims they held at the outset, they have failed, and have since tried to move the goalposts by revising both the territorial objectives and the timeframe. As of right now, Russia does not hold one single oblast more than they did when they launched their official invasion.

Ukraine, who few commentators gave any long term chance to as this phase of the conflict began, remain in control of the overwhelming share of their internationally-recognised territory. They want to hold it all, of course, but would they have taken this situation over what was being predicted by analysts? I would have to suppose they would have. Russia, despite all the infographics showing how much its forces dwarfed Ukraine's are being held to a virtual standstill, and don't even hold as much ground as they did. It's no wonder the trolls are jumping up and down about Bakhmut. It's the only thing they have possibly had to crow about in months.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120369941#Comment_120369941

Not too long ago, Margarita Simonyan mentioned it on her TV show ( which was quite a change from her usual "Russia is great Ukraine is Nazi ") diatribe). She was not expecting it to become a "Live" issue so soon, I'd say. Be interesting to hear what she and Solovyov have to say now. Would be great to have a microphone planted in the dressing room in the studio. Suddenly, its not a game anymore, and they are far removed from the action. Now Its staring them in the face, and all their bluster and lies will be exposed. Cover your back and your track's time...

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370727#Comment_120370727

Makes you wonder if they are like fox news behind the scenes , parroting one thing on screen for audiences while behind the scenes they are calling putin bat **** crazy

RGARDINR

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370407#Comment_120370407

I agree if Ukraine can cut into Russia during Spring and Summer time with their offences then Russia are in trouble but if Russia stop these offences then I believe Ukraine are in a very bad position and the war will likely drag on for years. Might drag on for years anyhow but if Russia weather the storm come autumn then Ukraine might be in a tricky situation. I think we will see come the autumn time which way the lay of the land is in regards this conflict.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120370436#Comment_120370436

Pronudo, you might want to re-think that suggestion, I know exactly what you mean, but if you cant post the first one, how are you going to make the quota that allows you to post?

Danzy

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/16/chinese-rifles-body-armor-russia-ukraine-00087398

Body armour, drone parts and "hunting rifles" going from China on a global tour before ending up in Russia.

How much is really going and will the Chinese Communist Party step up Solidarity with the Comrade in the Kremlin. There are few with a similar world view to them in leadership globally, will they allow an alternative, unlikely.

There are ways for Russia to receive significant arms from Communist States like China, North Korea, Cuba and others who have leanings in that direction.