Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867906#Comment_119867906

Its fairly unlikely to be an "invasion" force intended to maintain a beachhead, but they absolutely have the SOF and the necessary morale, skills and planning to launch a raid (and plenty of very not stupid people agree with this).

Which is not to say that Russia could be in such disarray that a permanent presence is not possible.

Asdfgh2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867893#Comment_119867893

Russia still has the 6000 odd nuclear war heads and no matter how poorly they have been maintained who wants to keep calling their bluff……putin is such an unpredictable and insane abomination of a human that he can’t be trusted not to use them….😡

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867876#Comment_119867876

Someone loaded an accurate model of the Chinese '5th' gen 'stealth' J-20 into an electronics environment simulator to estimate it's radar cross section and it's about as stealthy as an F-18.

China is every bit as much overrated as Russia. Recently there has been a major scandal about them hiring ex RAF and USAF pilots to train their air force. Australia just arrested a retired USAF pilot on his return to Oz from CHina. He's in custody awaiting extradition to the US.

China spends somewhere around 15% more or internal security than external, a mind boggling thought.

Say my name

This is Evgeny Nuzhin. A wagner recruit from a russian prison who was captured by the Ukrainian forces and then fought with the Ukrainian forces and then was recaptured by the Russian forces.

What they did?

They plastic wrapped his head to a wall and smashed his head with a sledgehammer for show on camera.

http://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1591709953282244611

The head of the Wagner group admits he enjoyed watching the footage.

http://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1591713928157233152

Seconds before death while being filmed he got his last words in “I am Yevgeny Anatolievich Nuzhin, born in 1967, who went to the front to fight alongside Ukraine against the Russians.

“On September 4, I carried out my plan to go over to the side of Ukraine. On November 11, 2022, I was on the streets of Kyiv where I received a blow to the head, causing me to lose consciousness.

“I woke up in this basement, being told I was going to be put on trial.”

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868349#Comment_119868349

The Horde just tried a test of the Poseidon nuclear torpedo in the arctic and it failed.

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868349#Comment_119868349

……putin is such an unpredictable and insane abomination of a human that he can’t be trusted not to use them….

I this is the case, then the solution is obvious. You eliminate the threat.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868378#Comment_119868378

A lingering death from cancer is far worse.

greenpilot

A good analysis of the hypothetical next steps for Ukraine towards Crimea, now very much within range.

https://twitter.com/ChrisFlaherty8/status/1591194914641309696?s=20&t=CSWvhb9nrYbv9vm7OSAENQ

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868409#Comment_119868409

I'd rather not have either of them to be honest.

It purely reflects on the perpetrators and the show they made and what classes for their standards now. Putin take note if this is what is classed as the level it's at now.

What goes around. Comes around.

Asdfgh2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868396#Comment_119868396

Eliminate putin or the weapons or both…?

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868378#Comment_119868378

The Ukrainians say he was part of a prisoner exchange, the Russian Wagner crowd claim they kidnapped him from the streets of Kyiv. I believe the former as no way do I beleiev a Wagner squad is operating in Kyiv.

Though it begs the question why did they exchange this guy after putting him on TV, interviewing him, where he disowned Russia and said he wanted to fight for Ukraine? Surely they knew what would happen him? Surely they knew his almost certain fate would put off others who might surrender?

cnocbui

...If correct, the casualties would represent two-thirds of the Russian troops initially committed to the invasion.

It’s no wonder a group of Russian women said they would set off for Ukraine to rescue their injured husbands believed abandoned on the battlefield by their commanders.

They recorded a video outside an army base in Valuiki, 16 kilometres from the border with Ukraine, on Wednesday night (Ukraine time) saying they were going to cross the border to search for the men themselves since the military had turned down their pleas for help.

It is understood their husbands, who were recently called up in Kursk, Voronezh and Belgorod, came under heavy artillery fire outside Makiivka in eastern Ukraine, about 145 kilometres from the Russian border. Only 159 of the soldiers are thought to have survived the bombardment and many are said to be carrying their injured comrades on their backs as they struggle to get to safety.

“Our guys are being thrown into the fight like blind kittens into a fire. They’re not allowed to retreat, they’re threatened with execution and will be listed as missing because formally they are not part of any military unit,” Svetalana Gorbatenko, who is pregnant with her third child, said in a post on VKontakte, a Russian social network.

Her husband and the other members of his unit were sent to Ukraine a week after they were mobilised “with no training, supplies or command”, she said. In the video one woman can be heard demanding that military officials return their husbands or they will “tear them apart”.

Yulia, the wife of another mobilised man, said the commander of his company told her only 30 out of 200 men had survived the Ukrainian attack. Her husband was “crying for help”, she said.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/russian-wives-go-to-battlefield-to-rescue-husbands-as-100-000-reported-killed-20221111-p5bxl9.html

Russian military commanders fighting on three fronts now: Ukraine, The Politico TV chattering classes and now the wives. I think a collapse from within Russsia wil happen well before an Ukrainian inflicted millitary defeat and it might happen very soon. Dugin vs Putin vs Yevgeny Prigozhin clearly trying to unset Putin and take the country and probably lots that's not making it to western media.

Were I running a security service, my number one priority would be to eliminate Prigozhin now because that becomes near impossible if he becomes a head of state, whereas he can be snuffed now with no, or minor, repercussions.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868465#Comment_119868465

Well maybe re-read the accounts of how Ukrainian POWs are being constantly tortured to death, and the reason should become pretty clear, very rapidly.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867893#Comment_119867893

I wouldnt bank on the Chinese being 2nd in line. Russia were 2nd in line before this war proved they were strong on paper only. China haven't shown they are capable of anything so far and they don't have military tradition to fall back on. The brits on the other hand, have been there done that and their gear is top notch. They would have beaten the brakes off Russia if they were in Ukraines position.

Plus they have reliable allies to supply them as stocks run low. This war has shown just how important that is. All these lose alliances between Iran, Russia, China etc are so flakey as to be worthless. They'd cut one another's throat if the wind changed direction.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868465#Comment_119868465

Those thoughts crossed my mind.

My own. There seems to be some behind the scenes talks between Kyiv and Moscow. What with Kherson, etc.

There's a show being put on and this poor fecker was a pawn demanded.

As you say the alternative is wagner operatives able to work in Kyiv still and that's not a good look either.

War. Huh. What is it good for?...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868285#Comment_119868285

exactly and they always send scouts and SOF before they send an invasion force before a landing

Or it could be another deception move like i mentioned to split up the russian defences

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868238#Comment_119868238

I am well aware of that

I stick to consulting the big book of common sense

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868472#Comment_119868472

Even their turn of phrase shows what kind of scum these people are both women and men. "Like throwing blind kittens onto a fire". WTF, who does that. You have to be one sick puppy to have that become a normal societal phrase.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868465#Comment_119868465

A huge part of Ukraine's announcements has been that they won't force anyone to return to Russia in a prisoner exchange unless they want to. Would be weird to think that he wanted this however - its a bit damaging for their efforts to encourage surrender I would have thought.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868285#Comment_119868285

The mere fact that Ukraine is attacking them from there, would give them severe headaches, even if the attacks were only intermittent. Keep them on their toes not knowing when the next attack would come.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868349#Comment_119868349

Putin might feel like pulling the nuclear trigger if he felt all was lost for him, but I doubt very much that even his most ardent followers would have the same death wish, for all the nuclear sabre rattling they are doing. For sure his army chiefs are under no illusions as to what NATO could do in a matter of hours to his army and military installations.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868514#Comment_119868514

Weapons industry.

humberklog

Considering the fella was recruited from a penal prison by Wagner I'd say he was just an all 'round bad egg that both sides were happy to have off the stage.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868548#Comment_119868548

It seems that for some Russians evil is like a day job. I suspect there are very hard times coming to Russia when it collapses. Hard times for China too because they depend economically on the west and if things go pear-shaped in the west China will collapse.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868420#Comment_119868420

First step would be getting ATACMS.

I wonder when the first Iranian missile is fired at Ukraine, will the US finally supply them with ATACMS.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868590#Comment_119868590

Doesn't exactly fill any deserters with confidence that if they cross over they won't be sent back to Russia to face the music. Either way it's a shitshow. Wagner operating in Kiev or Kiev going back on their word to look after deserters, especially one who offered to actually fight against the Russians.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868638#Comment_119868638

I’d wait until we know all the facts.

Curious_Case

Anything seems possible now.

Where are the creeps who were secretly enjoying Russian gains ?

A military coup in Russia would instantly bypass the Kremlin.

Not much chance of Nuclear Commands from the ferocious ferret being obeyed either, I would say.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868465#Comment_119868465

Yes. Wagner are notorious for murdering soldiers who they accuse of being deserters. This is what they did to a Syrian army soldier in 2017:

The murder movie shot by Wagner is stomach-turning. A carousel of four Russian-speaking men took turns beating Bouta with a sledgehammer. Then they cut off his hands and head with a shovel before stringing up his corpse by the feet and setting it alight. “Of course I couldn’t finish the video,” Alabdullah says, adding that there’s a longer version of it his relatives have seen. “They told me about the rest: that his head was cut off and they played soccer with it, kicking it at the wall with their feet.”

source

The Ukrainians handed this guy over to the Russians, knowing that he would most likely meet a grisly fate. That's not a good look and it's not smart. Word of what happened will spread amongst those still on the front-lines who were thinking of surrendering.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119868663#Comment_119868663

How do you know all the facts?

Maybe this guy had carried out horrific acts on the Ukrainians before he was caught and cried crocodile tears.

We don’t know the truth and probably never will. So let’s stop with accusations against Ukraine which by the way is very coincidental after the liberation of Kherson.

I did think the thread had gone quiet from the usual Ukraine bad Russia good carry on.