Russia - threadbanned users in OP

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693428#Comment_119693428

If Putin ever believed in gaining international consensus over things, it was certainly dead by the time of his speech at the 43rd Munich Security Conference where he was vitriolic in his criticism of the US-led international order. I think the quote was that onlookers in the front row where getting peppered with flecks of his spittle as he ranted.

Hence, Putin does not believe that an internationally-observed referendum is necessary, no matter how nailed-on. In his project to reorder what he calls a unipolar world, he must think that in order to break that system, you must work outside it (when necessary), rather than from within it. And there's little doubt that he regards Crimea to be as Russian as Moscow. To him, the idea that its annexation requires validation must be pretty laughable. Relative international silence when he did move forces in can only have affirmed that to him. The fundamental problem for Putin, however, is that his country lacks the muscle, both in terms of hard and soft power, to truly reorder the world. Nukes won't get the job done, there. They'll end the world, rather than the current world order.

Francie Barrett

https://t.me/sashakots/36181

You guys will like this one. Russians are complaining because Ukraine keep attacking sections of the front where they weakest. It's just not fair!

I am sure that in the coming days another 1-2 sections of the front will appear, where the Ukrainians will try to advance. Ukrovskoe command show miracles of strategy and military leadership talents? - NO! They act ingenuously, having the fullness of intelligence, and all NATO intelligence is working for them, they are accumulating strike groups in those places where we are “thinly” and hit.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693344#Comment_119693344

Nope, not a rumour, the pickle has confirmed it

https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1576642852863758337?s=20&t=t2ZXfdWUAq8kPnAgJtCUmg

nigeldaniel

Slightly related and not too off topic. Might we be seeing improved ties between the USA and Venezuela.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63105944

Clearly aimed at two things. Pulling Venezuela away from Russia and off course the ol black gold. Venezuela themselves might be thinking Putin's toast! and its time to drop Russia.

Francie Barrett

https://t.me/dva_majors/2853

A Rosgvardiya detachment in Kyslivka is apparently surrounded.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693428#Comment_119693428

Yes, much has changed (not least a significant exodus of Ukrainians post annexation).

But you can't claim that Crimeans were upset about being "gifted" to Ukraine in the 50s and a majority resent it and ignore that a majority voted for independence from Russia. That they also wanted more autonomy is not the same as suggesting a majority wanted to be part of Russia.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693162#Comment_119693162

Technically all of Cyprus has joined the EU, but EU law is "suspended" in the North. i.e. its a fudge.

The requirement for membership of NATO has always been unanimous consent, which is largely my point. Everything else is cosmetic. But I'm happy to leave it here - obviously neither of us think Ukraine are joining anytime soon. If anything I think its less likely in the future then someone who thinks the territorial "dispute" is a limiting factor.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693428#Comment_119693428

But how can you have a fair vote on Crimea when the Russians flooded it with Russian speakers?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693619#Comment_119693619

They've flooded it with Russians. It was already, like much of Ukraine, full of Russian speakers. The latter being an irrelevance.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693527#Comment_119693527

Here's the spit flecking speech-

Putin's famous Munich Speech 2007 - YouTube

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693546#Comment_119693546

https://twitter.com/TheFraed/status/1576654065681207296

A fight is apparently happening in Dudchany. If true this means Ukraine penetrated 25km in just one day. Maybe not a good sign for the Russians that someone is pleading on social media for aviation support? 🤔

Would like to see some visual evidence before getting my hopes up. I'm sure we shall get more news tomorrow.

EOQRTL

Lots of chatter about the Russian front collapsing north of Kherson.

There's 25,000 Russians trapped on that bank apparently, so could get very messy very quickly.

If they can take Kherson and get as far as the Azov sea, they'll have cut the land bridge to Crimea and they'll be in range to destroy the actual bridge as well.

Think we might be about to find out whether Putin is willing to use chemical weapons/nukes or not.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693660#Comment_119693660

We may be about to find out if Putin is batsh*t insane enough to use WMDs over territories that even he must know he's never really exerted full military control of at any point since Russian forces incurred into Ukraine. The answer to that is almost certainly no. We've seen what he's said and we've seen what he's done. He's said that he is prepared to use all the weapons at Russia's disposal to defend its territory, but what he's actually done is mobilised hundreds of thousands more troops. That's his real move to try and defend those areas. The loss of Kherson or any areas Russia have occupied since Feb wouldn't be an existential matter for Russia. Russia will continue to exist without them and vastly so.

Lastly, if NATO intelligence senses in any way that there are moves to ready nuclear weapons as Ukrainian forces inch toward Kherson, they will be heavily advising a different approach from Kyiv. Ukrainian forces continue to advance.

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693737#Comment_119693737

Well.....

https://worldnationnews.com/nato-issued-an-alert-for-the-mobilization-of-the-russian-nuclear-submarine-k-329-belgorod-a-carrier-of-the-super-torpedo-known-as-a-weapon-of-the-apocalypse/

Less advert link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-warns-of-mobilization-of-russian-submarine-belgorod-carrier-of-the-weapon-of-apocalypse/ar-AA12vwWP?li=BBnb7Kz

Larbre34

Any talk of fudging Crimea's future is irrelevant.

Ukraine contends it is part of Ukraine and all of the international community, bar the few Russian puppets and arse lickers, agree with them.

Any self-identifying Russians in Crimea that will find themselves fully back within the unitary Republic of Ukraine very soon, can have no complaints about the consequences of Putin's actions, that he purportedly took on their behalf.

I'd be no advocate of ethnic cleansing, but it will become nigh on impossible for ethnic Russians, especially nationalist types, to live in the restored Ukraine, so they might as well begin planning to repatriate to Russia proper, as it seems many are actually doing from Crimea, as Ukrainian forces draw inexorably closer. A palpable fear of the Kerch bridge crossing being destroyed reportedly abounds.

The departures are being led by Russian military and intelligence commanders, as well as civil service proxies which tells you all you need to know. That could turn into an exodus any day.

Francie Barrett

If Ukraine can take Dudchany, I think it's significant. There's only one road going to the villages above the blue line. Ukrainian forces would have control over it, therefore anything above the blue line would be cut from supply and would have to be abandoned. The significant layers of fortifications in the sector would also become bypassed.

All speculation, but Lyman was speculation for awhile until it become fact.

GM228

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693747#Comment_119693747

There will be a few foaming at the mouth with those links!

Gatling

Been offline all day.

Have the Russians retreated again???

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693773#Comment_119693773

Not sure about retreated or routed. But the Ukrainians have been doing a speedrun today.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693773#Comment_119693773

They are "moving to more advantageous defence lines", so yeah retreating.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693623#Comment_119693623

If language is the only criterion, America is a British colony. So is the Republic of Ireland! Here's a map

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693491#Comment_119693491

Except the Ukraine wouldn't do that, would they?

Whether you like it or not the Crimea is mostly Russian.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693619#Comment_119693619

I agree Zv, however the facts are it was the least "Ukrainian" as far as polls went down the years, they did flood it with Russians(and expelled the Tartars IIRC), so it's not unlike, in a shorter space of time of course, the English flooding Planters into Ireland especially in the north and why we've had a divided island. Enough in a small part didn't want to join the rest. And look at the mess that was. Sadly that's the reality on the ground in Crimea IMHO.

Something similar is in play in the heartlands of Donbass. Because of the civil war a lot of Ukrainians left, more left since this Russian invasion and seperatists are more in play. Something I noticed among the twitter vids; When Ukrainians liberate a load of areas there are lots of locals greeting the troops as saviours. You see almost no vids from the Russians of similar in those areas. At best in the early days you had Russians handing out food and the like in town squares with very muted people lining up. Eff all people handing out tea and biccies that's for sure. In Donbas you get a lot more of a mix of both welcoming one side or the other..

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693780#Comment_119693780

I was beginning to think Kherson was a lost cause - but I suppose they know what they are doing.

Hobgoblin11

In the everyday address President Zelensky confirmed liberation of Arkhanhelske and Myroliubivka of Kherson region

https://t.me/V_Zelenskiy_official/3493

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693864#Comment_119693864

True. But I'm wondering how much of an effect the war, since 2014, has on people's wishes. It is understandable that aggression from the Ukrainians would make them turn towards Russia. Without that aggression how would they vote? It seems to me the aggression was stirred up by the Russians in the first place for exactly that purpose: to turn them towards Russia and to give Russia an excuse to invade.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693863#Comment_119693863

I think when this is all said and done the population of Crimea will be forever majority Ukrainian,

Deportation of all Russians should be the only policy

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693861#Comment_119693861

I recall one of that guy Bald and Bankrupt vids had him on a train in Ukraine and the signs outside suddenly going to Hungarian. Fascinating stuff.

And both America and Ireland were British colonies(with French and Spanish in play with the former). Language as a gauge of allegiances is a very fuzzy guide indeed.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693747#Comment_119693747

Isn't that the same missile which Russian state had the graphic of where a tidal wave completely enveloped Ireland and Britain? It must be the most overhyped nuclear weapon ever invented, not possessing anywhere near the power to generate such an effect (most of the water would be turned into steam). And even if it in any way lived up to the hype, using it in the Black Sea sounds like an incredibly dumb idea when there are Russian strategic assets in the region, never mind what was intimated to happen to Russia if they let off a small nuke, never mind that monstrosity.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119693773#Comment_119693773

In Lyman they have retreated victoriously once again,and in Kherson they are soon encircled and trapped again in the north it seems after Ukraine found a weakspot and broke trough the russian defence lines.

https://youtu.be/g_V_g-zEOE0