The 2021 All Ireland Senior Football Championship

dobman88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886770#Comment_117886770

Shearer won the league with Blackburn. An oft forgotten nugget of info.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886222#Comment_117886222

Yes but the thing about Dublin is their bench of old would start for every other county. Their bench had players like Bernard Brogan, Eoghan O'Gara, McMeniman, Michael Dara Mc, Eoin Fitzsimons, Cormac Costello.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886770#Comment_117886770

Again it shows your lack of understanding. They used two substitutes in the final U imagine that sub 20 players were really in the running. A new group won every year in the 90's except for 91 & 94. In counties Sucess/greatness is measured differently. In Mayo it seems its in failure. Ask Cillian O' Connor which would mean more to him the All time scoring record or a Celtic cross.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886770#Comment_117886770

I'll give you one thing. O'Connor has padded out his statistics like nobody before in games against London and New York.

The fact that he won Young Player of the Year twice, and has never won anything since tells an awful lot about his failure to deliver on potential.

callaway92

For the person moaning about Joe Brolly criticising Cillian O’Connor. That’s an analysts job.

You could say the same about any pundit/analyst so and it would be unfair.

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887079#Comment_117887079

Go on so, tell us what he’s scored against New York and London and how many times he’s played them.

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886880#Comment_117886880

I dont agree. Everyone on the bench of an inter county team is there to potentially play, depending on circumstances. A new group win it every year, even if it was dublin, certain players wont have featured the previous year, therefore it is a new group.

Re what he would rather have, im not sure that makes his achievements any less meaningful from an objective standpoint. For example, it is far more difficult to win a player of the year than an all ireland regardless of someones personal preference for one or the other. It is just a mathematical certainty.

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887102#Comment_117887102

I understand that. The point I am making is, it doesnt actually carry any weight.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887194#Comment_117887194

Ah ya, I agree. If it’s factual then that’s fine, but if it’s just the person’s personal opinion, people don’t have to take it to heart - it’s just their opinion.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887188#Comment_117887188

Over the history of the GAA, it has been far more difficult for a Mayo man to win a National League Fourth Division medal than an All-Ireland medal. Does that mean a Fourth Division medal is more valuable?

Kerry supporters never put value in league medals and All-Stars. Why? So leading championship scorer, young player of the year, double All-Star, O'Connor doesn't have the only medal that matters - a senior All-Ireland medal. Joe Brolly does.

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887079#Comment_117887079

Which players choose not to be selected against teams that their team will probably beat comfortably? The Gooch? Clifford? Dean Rock? Cluxton? No? Cant really be aimed at one player and not others then can it? Seems quite biased of you to be fair.

Re ypoty, again winning team titles is team based. You can be the best player of your generation and not win anything. This concept is something you seem to be struggling with

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887325#Comment_117887325

How is it biased to suggest that Connacht players have a better chance to fill their boots against inferior opposition than anyone else?

Having died on the hill that was Aidan O'Shea, are you now trying to suggest that Cillian O'Connor is the best player of his generation?

WesternZulu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887346#Comment_117887346

He certainly is one of them.

- Top scorer ever in the championship.

- Top scorer ever in a single championship campaign.

- Top scorer ever in a championship game.

But because doesn't wear a blue and navy jersey or one that's green and gold and sometimes plays Leitrim and Sligo instead of Waterford, Clare, Wicklow or Louth he never gets the recognition he deserves.

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887346#Comment_117887346

Well, because other players fill their boots against inferior opposition also. Connacht has had 3 different winners in the last few years. How many different winners have leinster had in the same timeframe? What was the average winning margin?

Not sure what you are referencing re oshea or oconnor to be honest. I simply made the point that a guy could be the best player of his generation (or all time for that matter), and not win a team title. This in turn disproves this 'well he hasnt won an all ireland' spiel. What part of that are you not managing to comprehend? Individual ability isnt connected to team achievements. Do you not understand how that works?

theoneeyedman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886760#Comment_117886760

There is a lot of bias in the Dublin based media (conscious or not) that tends to blow up some teams ability and downplay others. The main reason Mayo were blown up in this case is because they beat the great Dublin (albeit an obviously off colour Dublin) and they are very popular. Tyrone on the other hand were battle hardened from a tough Ulster campaign and when you look through the team, who's to really claim that Mayo are better on an individual basis?

Man for Man, the Tyrone lads showed remarkable conditioning and individual skills in every position. For instance, Michael McKernan is a fantastic footballer, a brilliant tackler and marker, and can play ball too, and he is very much unsung in any analysis of Tyrone

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887436#Comment_117887436

An individual is nothing in a team sport without his team-mates.

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887346#Comment_117887346

Jaysus, its pretty rich for a Dub to be saying Cillian OConnor had it handy

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887436#Comment_117887436

Yes a guy could be one of the best player of his generation and win no Celtic Cross. This debate all started because a few posters got upset because Joe Brolly dared to criticise CoC . They felt he had no right. Take Tommy Murphy named on the millennium Team

https://laoisgaa.ie/county-board/archive/laois-all-stars/tommy-murphy-graiguecullen/

Never won a Celtic Cross but still a great player and one of the greatest of his generation.

Posters decided to disparage Joe Brolly's achievements as a player. They decided to that he had no right to be critical of the way Mayo go about there business. He is an analyst and writes pieces for newspaper, he gives his opinion.

Is it fair criticism. CoC has a medal missing from his biscuit tin. No matter how much he rattles its there is a sound that is not there that he wishes was there. Every time he looks in that Celtic Cross is missing.

Joe Brolly has a Celtic Cross, along with 4 National Leagues and two All Stars

Cillian O'Connor has one National League and two All Stars.

We know who smiles and who scowls when they look in there biscuit tin's.

Its not that Cillian O'Connor, Aidan O'Shea and the rest of that Mayo squad did not get there chances over the last 10 years, CoC got 4 chances to put a rattler in his biscuit tin he never managed to. Joe got one chance. Tommy Murphy never got the chance.

thebourke

i think handpassing has ruined the game....even the 2 goals that were scored were from the hand...how can they call it football anymore?

dunnerc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887740#Comment_117887740

How long has the hand pass been in the game ?

Avon8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117886779#Comment_117886779

Who are these players with club medals when a mayo club hasn't won since 05? Who are the players with 'several' All Ireland's when Mayo have 2 underage wins in 15 years and a total of 3 in 36 years?

Earlier you were trying to say the ref was poor to Mayo after a wrongful black card not given and square ball before the penalty not given. You were saying McCurry should've been black carded, for a foul absolutely nobody else seems to have seen and I'm not sure actually exists.

All with a username of "Mayo are magic"?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887346#Comment_117887346

Is that really true? Dublin and Kerry often get their chance to run up high scores against the likes of Wicklow and Waterford. A lot of Cillian O'Connor's scores came against stronger opposition, as anyone who has watched him play would know.

WesternZulu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887740#Comment_117887740

It's not as bad as it used to be, up in until the 80s players regularly hand passed it into the net.

Now that was bad

Luxemburgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887458#Comment_117887458

To be fair Mayo get blown up almoat every year. Media love the narrative

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887740#Comment_117887740

I despise palmed goals. I wish they were outlawed. 0 skill to being 2 yards out and palming in a goal into an empty net.

Blackjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887144#Comment_117887144

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887079#Comment_117887079

He's played a total of 4 games vs London and New York combined, and scored 24 points - his average against those 2 is 6 points per game.

If you want to add Sligo and Leitrim to your "padding out" the statistics, its a total of 9 games where he has scored 64 points in total. That's an average of 7.11 points per game.

He's played Dublin 9 times, scoring 71 points, giving him an average of 7.89. 16.6% of all his scores have been against Dublin.

We can have a look at Kerry too, where he's played 6 games and scored 44 points - averaging 7.33 per game.

Looks more like he's padding his stats against Dublin, rather than London and New York (or indeed Connacht) as you have suggested.

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887627#Comment_117887627

The thing is, it isnt all hinging on the merits of joe brolly or cillian oconnor though. For example, if joe brolly was playing now, he would get no all ireland medal. Similarly, there have been far superior players from his own county, that dont have an all ireland. Therefore, comparing individuals on the basis of group achievements, and in particular one group achievement only, doesnt hold water. In fact it reflects a lack of understading of how sport works.

At the end of the day, and I dont say this as a mayo fan, I say it because it is the reality, cillian oconnor has achieved far more in the game than most guys who have a sam maguire medal. If anything, the inability of his team to win things only serves to further his own achievements, if you actually think objectively about it.

Ironically enough, the same guys will laud someone like matt connor as an all time great, even though he has far less all Ireland medals than say a davy byrne or a darren daly, which contradicts the above. You cant have it every way...

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888122#Comment_117888122

Have to disagree, the skill is in creating a situation where a player is able to finish the move from 2 yards out.

The Tyrone goal for example, the long ball, the knock down, the pickup and surging run into the box followed by a no look pass, it took 4 top quality pieces of skill to create that palm into the net.

Dr. Bre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888122#Comment_117888122

Should headers been banned in soccer for scoring goals cos it’s not using the feet?

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887860#Comment_117887860

The guys with several won an u21 and a minor. There is a lot of them in the squad. Colm boyle also has an u21, while the sizeable westport contingent won an all ireland club. So there you go, 100% accuracy on that one. You could have checked that yourself by the way.

Mccurry in the second half sees keegan breaking forward, comes in from the wrong side and grabs his arm, brings him to ground with him and then lies down pretending he was hurt also. It is disguised better than ohoras but is the same thing. Maybe just go and watch the game properly instead using me as a google search.

Re usernames, maybe stick to selling to avon products, football mightnt be for you.