The Irish Problem of Cohesion: When solidarity becomes groupthink

Hotblack Desiato

It's just expected that every other homeowner in the state will dig into their pocket to fix the problem du jour (mica, filth-spewing septic tanks, broadband, etc.) despite having had nothing to do with creating the problem in the first place...

sydthebeat

https://www.thejournal.ie/raw-sewage-epa-3-5263471-Nov2020/

THERE ARE 35 towns and villages in Ireland where raw sewage is released into the environment every day.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is critical of Irish Water in its analysis of urban waste water treatment last year, and said that treatment at 19 of Ireland’s 172 large towns and cities, including Dublin and Cork, failed to meet standards set to prevent pollution. 

these issues are not solely rural irelands problem.

there are serious issues right across the board in both rural and urban planning and servicing.

the ONLY argument to be used in favour of corralling everyone into urban housing is "its cheaper"... everyone knows just because something is cheap certainly does not mean its the best way forward.

This "population relocation" policy should be put to a national vote.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862338#Comment_117862338

Basically, it amounts to gifting of Captial and land from Dad, to live in a house they otherwise could not afford.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117862983#Comment_117862983

That is just one argument, but there are plenty of others. If you read the link I posted you would educate yourself on the matter.

sydthebeat

I've worked in planning for over 22 years, I'm very well educated on the matter, thanks.

Hotblack Desiato

It's a lot easier to fix a sewage treatment plant serving 2000 homes than it is to fix 2000 dodgy septic tanks.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117864170#Comment_117864170

I highly doubt it given your contributions so far, but if you did, you will know the various issues that stem from a policy of one-off housing?

As I said, no one has made an actual rational or logical case for it. It boils down to, "Well because I want to do it and I am alright Jack".

There is a reason why most other countries in the EU ban this sort of development.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849049#Comment_117849049

One-off housing is essentially bad for the environment. Building in villages is much better.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117884560#Comment_117884560

not necessarily

one off rural houses are actually greener than low density urban sprawl that is planned for the out skirts of villages under new planning frameworks.

https://news.colgate.edu/scene/2014/11/urban-legends.html

https://theconversation.com/suburban-living-the-worst-for-carbon-emissions-new-research-149332

https://news.berkeley.edu/2014/01/06/suburban-sprawl-cancels-carbon-footprint-savings-of-dense-urban-cores/

the constant refusal of irish policymakers to build "up" in cities and large towns is the singular most significant reason for urban sprawl.. and thus the worst kind of environmental damage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2018/03/08/scientists-just-showed-what-building-new-suburbs-does-to-the-atmosphere/

markodaly

You reference multiple sources in regard to suburban sprawl. Building around a small town or village is not suburban sprawl.

You are confused on the matter.

sydthebeat

Haha. Poor deflection there Mark, and no attempt to deal with the matters therein.

Single family low density spread of housing into rural areas on the edges of urban areas.

Suburban sprawl does not just happen in cities.

The current course of planning policy in Ireland will eventually lead to the gentrification of rural Ireland, as a one off rural home will become so expensive only the very rich will be able to afford them. The local and historical family ties to these areas will be severed to the major detriment of everyone.

Hotblack Desiato

Comparing US settlement patterns to Ireland? Have a word with yourself.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888375#Comment_117888375

you obviously didnt read the articles... (hint: Austria is not in the US!).......but whatever

you do realise that the urban / suburban / rural divide is not nation specific yes???

there are no comparable reports on ireland because there is no political will for it, that doesnt negate the argument.

Dublin itself and its huge suburban sprawl is very symptomatic of the issue.. Dublin is NOT Amsterdam or Copenhagen in regards to public transport and green methods of travel, no matter how much it tries to paint itself as a modern european city.

Hotblack Desiato

It certainly isn't and we can thank the anti-urban anti-Dublin mentality among the majority of our politicians for that.