Windows 11

degsie

Anybody tried the leaked ISO as yet? Looks interesting enough.

dublinman1990

There will be a 2nd separate Windows event about Windows 11 app development taking place next Thursday at 3pm ET/8pm Irish Time. This event will focus on the newly redesigned & likely rebranded Windows App Store which includes how it will show the redesigned inbox apps and how developers will monetize apps directly from the store. I am very interested to see how this works for the Windows App Store. Thursday week is set to become quite a busy day.

_Kaiser_

Watched a few videos. I hope it's a very early build that's leaked (although if this is due for release in October it can't be THAT old) as all it really seems to be is a mild facelift with the same mismatch of UIs under the hood and a Start menu that's even more clunky than W10, and some design queues lifted from Macs and Linux

It looks like Windows is going the way of earlier Trek movies where every second one wasn't great at all (Search for Spock aside which I think is very underrated).

Not blown away by any stretch by what I've seen thus far anyway.

Glaceon

The leaked builds require Secure Boot and a TPM 2.0 chip. Not sure why that makes me feel uneasy but it does.

dublinman1990

You can watch the live event on this link.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event?ranMID=24542&ranEAID=kXQk6*ivFEQ&ranSiteID=kXQk6.ivFEQ-ipfG4mNRdtxj4i2jjrAijw&epi=kXQk6.ivFEQ-ipfG4mNRdtxj4i2jjrAijw&irgwc=1&OCID=AID2000142_aff_7593_1243925&tduid=%28ir__f2autv3ojwkfq2k1kk0sohz3wf2xuvg6oxknukui00%29%287593%29%281243925%29%28kXQk6.ivFEQ-ipfG4mNRdtxj4i2jjrAijw%29%28%29&irclickid=_f2autv3ojwkfq2k1kk0sohz3wf2xuvg6oxknukui00

There is some relaxing music being played on it at the moment. But no person has appeared on it yet. They will probably appear when it starts at 4 O'Clock.

EDIT: There is a pre-show event to start at 3pm which is 5 minutes from now. This pre-show event is on the CNET Highlights Youtube channel only.

SimonTemplar

I watched that event. About 5 minutes of showing off the product and the rest was just an onslaught of marketing buzzword nonsense.

Irish Steve

To get some ideas of how few CPU's will run this new (not so new) release that's not a release, have a look at the Health Check tool that's been updated to show if a machine can run Win11.
You may get a nasty surprise. In recent days, just before the Microsoft announcement, AMD have moved a huge number of chips and GPU's into legacy support, which means they will no longer get any updates on Win 10, and effectively they have also killed the same chips for Win 11. There's not many AMD devices that are going to run Win 11.

To me, it's looking very much like Win 11 is effectively a way for Microsoft to reduce their impossible support load by killing off a vast range of systems, supposedly, Win 10 will be supported "through 10/2025", so that lays a fairly clear line in the sand for probably 95% of the systems out there.

I for one won't be spending big bucks on anything with an AMD label on it going forward, and I'm not sure that there will be much point trying to find a way to stay on Windows either, there are just too many support issues for comfort these days, and if we are also going to have to pay a licence fee for windows every month, which some have hinted, the thought of paying M$ every month to spend too long watching the update circle spin endlessly is a bridge too far for me.

Gadgetman496

Windows 11 Home requires Internet connectivity and a Microsoft cloud account. The Microsoft account and Internet connectivity are only mandatory for Home but not Pro from what I've read.

Although the vast majority of semi-modern CPUs support firmware TPM, almost all motherboards ship with it disabled in BIOS. So you'll need to go through the "advanced" part of your machine's BIOS to try to find and enable that support if you need it.

OEM motherboards are more than likely to have fTPM disabled by default and a lot of them don't show the setting to enable it, even when the CPU otherwise supports it. If you have a pre-built system from Dell or HP that didn't include a hardware TPM, you could be stuck with no way forward.

Gadgetman496

Users running the latest version of Windows 10 can download & run the Windows 11 compatibility App to see if their system is capable of running Windows 11.

Download App:

The Cush

3 yr old HP laptop, i5-8250U

This PC can run Windows 11

Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it's free. We'll let you know when it's ready to install

sidekick

Just ran the app on my Surface Pro 3 and sadly it will not be able to run Windows 11.

Gadgetman496

sidekick wrote: »

Just ran the app on my Surface Pro 3 and sadly it will not be able to run Windows 11.

There will be many more like you unfortunately.

Gadgetman496

The Cush wrote: »

3 yr old HP laptop, i5-8250U

Can you run the command tpm.msc & see what it returns?

It will tell you if you have TPM support and what version (1.2 or 2.0)

Gadgetman496

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Can you run the command tpm.msc & see what it returns?

It will tell you if you have TPM support and what version (1.2 or 2.0)

That 8th gen i5 has a TPM 2.0 built into the CPU.

Gadgetman496

So basically if you have the following you're good to go with 11

64Bit System

UEFI (Secure Boot capable (maybe))

TPM v2.0

Display: 720p minimum resolution, nine-inch minimum diagonal measurement, 8 bits per color channel or higher.

And for Home users they will require Internet connectivity and a Microsoft cloud account. (Not required for Pro users).


I still have two old machines here happily running Windows 10 Pro 21H1. both PC's have BIOS (old legacy) so that is EOL for them in Oct 2025 if they survive that long, they will never see 11

I wonder if there are many old machines like that still active worldwide?

lawred2

My laptop can run it. Desktop can't.

riclad

I presume the requirement for uefi and Tpm 2.0
is part of increasing security and making it harder to hack into a windows pc even before it loads up the os.
Increased security will reduce support costs for company's and Microsoft
I wonder is the requirement for a user account and Internet acess there for increasing security or is it to enable Microsoft collecting more user private data so it can target ads to each user .
So each pc will have its own account like each android phone has a Gmail account if you want to install any apps
Microsoft seems to be going in the opposite direction
from apple in that apple is bringing in more options in order to give user more privacy
Eg opting out of third party cookies and Web tracking in the safari browser
I think the options for auto hdr and android apps are a good idea and the new UI seems a slight improvement
on windows 10
I understand there's different settings for corporate os installations

riclad

The android apps from the amazon store will be signed by amazon they will send user data back to amazon
There's a menu to change settings for privacy options
but it's quite limited
It sounds like Windows 11 will be sending more user data to Microsoft probably for the purposes of advertising
There may be an option of sideloading android apps outside the amazon app store

zom

riclad wrote: »

Increased security will reduce support costs for company's and Microsoft

They stopped testing their their systems and updates to reduce costs and now they will reduce on security using TPM chip? What possibly could go wrong here?

bodonnell

Have a dell inspiron 3585, bought new 03/20.
Microsoft app says it won't run 11. It has a tpm 2 chip enabled & uefi.
?

degsie

bodonnell wrote: »

Have a dell inspiron 3585, bought new 03/20.
Microsoft app says it won't run 11. It has a tpm 2 chip enabled & uefi.
?

Probably the cpu does not reach min requirements. Gen8 rev 'R' and greater?

SickBoy

bodonnell wrote: »

Have a dell inspiron 3585, bought new 03/20.
Microsoft app says it won't run 11. It has a tpm 2 chip enabled & uefi.
?

Secure boot enabled?

bodonnell

degsie wrote: »

Probably the cpu does not reach min requirements. Gen8 rev 'R' and greater?

Ryzen 5 2500u w/vega graphics built in

bodonnell

SickBoy wrote: »

Secure boot enabled?

Yes

SickBoy

bodonnell wrote: »

Yes

Is your boot method set up UEFI or Legacy?

Hoagy

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors

Your processor doesn't seem to be on the list

bodonnell

SickBoy wrote: »

Is your boot method set up UEFI or Legacy?

Uefi

zom

zom wrote: »

They stopped testing their their systems and updates to reduce costs and now they will reduce on security using TPM chip? What possibly could go wrong here?

What

dublinman1990

New Windows 11 Build 22000.51 is now out from Microsoft.

New features include....

- New Microsoft Store (The Amazon App Store option is not included yet. It will be added in later builds)
- New File Explorer
- New Settings app
- New Action Centre notifications
- New Lock Screen (Date & Time are now centred in the top-middle on lock screen rather than bottom-left like in Windows 10)
- New Drop down menu options (2 options available for drop down menus for W11 & W10 with rounded corners)
- New options to add/expand widgets in Widgets button.

I had a look at the video on Youtube earlier. It's very impressive so far. The biggest change for me so far is within the new W11 Settings app. It looks so much cleaner now along with being neat & tidy unlike the Settings app that is currently provided on W10.

Any thoughts?

riclad

Some business will replace 1000s of pcs as Windows 11 requires a fairly up to date cpu
and it will be more secure due to the use of the tpm chip
That will be bad for the environment
I think this is the first os that required a Microsoft account
and an Internet connect to install
Once installed you can switch to a local Microsoft account
if you want more privacy
It looks like it will allow side loading android apps
I'd like to see an expert test it when it's out to see if it's more secure than 10 for the average user

Gadgetman496

Microsoft has temporarily removed the Windows 11 Heath Check App so that their teams can address the feedback.

PC Health Check App

With these minimum system requirements in mind, the PC Health Check app was intended to help people check if their current Windows 10 PC could upgrade to Windows 11. Based on the feedback so far, we acknowledge that it was not fully prepared to share the level of detail or accuracy you expected from us on why a Windows 10 PC doesn’t meet upgrade requirements. We are temporarily removing the app so that our teams can address the feedback. We will get it back online in preparation for general availability this fall. In the meantime, you can visit our minimum system requirements page here to learn more.

Gadgetman496

bodonnell wrote: »

Have a dell inspiron 3585, bought new 03/20.
Microsoft app says it won't run 11. It has a tpm 2 chip enabled & uefi.
?

More from Microsoft regarding processors.

Microsoft has also strongly implied that even computers which have TPM 2.0 and secure boot, but are older than an Intel 8th Gen Core or AMD Ryzen 2000 series CPU won't be supported in the final release (for preview builds, older hardware should work). The company released AMD and Intel CPU compatibility lists that omit anything that's older than those generations.

fritzelly

dublinman1990 wrote: »

New Windows 11 Build 22000.51 is now out from Microsoft.

Anyone installed it yet?

Gadgetman496

When Windows 10 was launched, Microsoft said it was intended to be the final version of the operating system.

Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service", which meant the software was gradually updated at no extra charge, rather than the company releasing a new version of its OS every few years.

Developer evangelist and Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon went further, describing it as "the last version of Windows".

Welcome to Windows 11

Gadgetman496

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Windows 11 Home requires Internet connectivity and a Microsoft cloud account. The Microsoft account and Internet connectivity are only mandatory for Home but not Pro from what I've read.

Does this mean I can't use my windows 11 home laptop if I'm not connected to the internet?

Gadgetman496

whatnow! wrote: »

Does this mean I can't use my windows 11 home laptop if I'm not connected to the internet?

From what I've read the new start menu is tied to the cloud so it can be App recommendation driven along with Syncing across devices. Not sure if that will affect usage with no internet or if internet is only required for the install process.

Gadgetman496

The panic buying of physical TPM modules is well and truly on Stateside with many suppliers claiming they are sold out. Prices for a module selling for $15 last week were fetching $100+ after the Win 11 announcement.

fritzelly

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

The panic buying of physical TPM modules is well and truly on Stateside with many suppliers claiming they are sold out. Prices for a module selling for $15 last week were fetching $100+ after the Win 11 announcement.

Idiots - most of them probably don't even need it if they have a relatively new CPU

They’ve fairly set the bar high on this for processor. Mine will basically turn into a paperweight (7700) but I won’t be replacing it with another Windows machine now.

fritzelly

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They’ve fairly set the bar high on this for processor. Mine will basically turn into a paperweight (7700) but I won’t be replacing it with another Windows machine now.

There's no real reason to upgrade to 11 except for the UI - you've got years left on W10 by which time your cpu will be 8+ years old and thats a long time in computing terms

fritzelly

fritzelly wrote: »

There's no real reason to upgrade to 11 except for the UI - you've got years left on W10 by which time your cpu will be 8+ years old and thats a long time in computing terms

If I can’t get a latest OS update no matter whether it’s a tablet, computer, phone, etc then I’m changing it.

Capt'n Midnight

riclad wrote: »

and it will be more secure due to the use of the tpm chip

My understanding is that Trusted means the OS and hence you trust whatever the chip says.

It's the whole garbage in , garbage out again https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/28/microsoft_malware_signing

Microsoft on Friday admitted it had signed malicious third-party driver code submitted for certification through its Windows Hardware Compatibility Program.

The good news is that it can store passwords and checksums, the bad news is that conspiracy theorists say it could phone home.

That will be bad for the environment

Very.
Most business computers are fast enough. This is upgrading for it's own sake.

Then again I'll be in the market for a second hand laptop once they drop in price

Gadgetman496

So, will OEM's get the same treatment as China and Russia? A special ISO with the requirement for TPM 2.0 disabled.

pointywalnut

Bought a TPM from MaxBurns, only to find out my Ryzen 3700X has it build it, enabled it and my pc can run Windows 11

Strange not supporting first gen Ryzen. I'm pretty sure mine (1600x) has TPM 2.0 enabled.

/Goes to check.

EDIT: Yeah running tpm.msc on that one shows 2.0

riclad

If you have an older cpu you, ll be able to use windows 10 for years. The main advantage of windows 11 is it, ll be more secure , and it runs android apps.

Flinty997

riclad wrote: »

If you have an older cpu you, ll be able to use windows 10 for years. The main advantage of windows 11 is it, ll be more secure , and it runs android apps.

I hope the HSE is aware of this as it replaces it's Windows 7 computers.

Capt'n Midnight

riclad wrote: »

If you have an older cpu you, ll be able to use windows 10 for years. The main advantage of windows 11 is it, ll be more secure , and it runs android apps.

At present you can only run android aps on windows using a emulators like Bluestacks or Gameloop or if you have a Samsung you could use the Your Phone app or use the emulator in the development kit. Anyone who really, really needs androids apps on windows already has a way to do it.

I had a project 10 years ago where I had VNC on an ancient phone in the shed. 320x480 pixels is tiny.

AlmightyCushion

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

At present you can only run android aps on windows using a emulators like Bluestacks or Gameloop or if you have a Samsung you could use the Your Phone app or use the emulator in the development kit. Anyone who really, really needs androids apps on windows already has a way to do it.

I had a project 10 years ago where I had VNC on an ancient phone in the shed. 320x480 pixels is tiny.

While those work, they are not just as easy as installing the app from the store. Also, I don't know about the others but I used Bluestacks a bit recently and it took an age to start up so a much worse experience than something installed on your PC. So, you can currently use Android apps on a Windows PC, but the experience is shíte and not something you would do unless you really had to.

advertsfox

Test too available here to see if W11 is compatible with your device. Surface Pro 7 here (i5, 8GB) is naturally 100%.

https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11

EXE Download: https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/latest/download/WhyNotWin11.exe

advertsfox

advertsfox wrote: »

Test too available here to see if W11 is compatible with your device. Surface Pro 7 here (i5, 8GB) is naturally 100%.

https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11

EXE Download: https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11/releases/latest/download/WhyNotWin11.exe

As expected green across the board but for the CPU's 2x gen 1 AMD and a laptop with gen 7 intel.

I love that people spend time and effort in making stuff like that and that it's often more useful than official tools.