Bye Bye Bibi (Netanyahu officially ousted as Israel PM)

Overheal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-out-israel-prime-minister/2021/06/13/eaac2738-c9e8-11eb-8708-64991f2acf28_story.html

I don’t know that his successor will be any better or not measurably worse but this marks a big new chapter in Israel, and ultimately Palestine and the rest of the region. I don’t know what all will be in store for us.

Genre..

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

What’s the big issue with him? I still can’t see a problem with any country defending their territory.

Here we go

Genre..

Genre.. wrote: »

Here we go

No, it was a genuine question as I haven’t paid any attention to the whole recent Palestine movement in the media or anything. I’ve deleted it now as I gather there’s only one side of this one is allowed to fall. Carry on, I’ll go back to happy oblivion.

TheValeyard

He's a horrible bastard who should be rotting in jail.

Gatling

Expect nothing to change ....

Not in Israel or Palestine there little or no appatite to change anything inside Israel or elsewhere

An absolute tyrant. Good riddance.

Odhinn

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

No, it was a genuine question ..........

He's not defending his territory when hes building colonies outside his countrys legally recognised borders.

gmisk

You love to see it

Will Bibi get behind Donald for his 2024 presidential bid?
Thread on Trumps post presidential life is entertaining enough though.

Odhinn

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-out-israel-prime-minister/2021/06/13/eaac2738-c9e8-11eb-8708-64991f2acf28_story.html

I don’t know that his successor will be any better or not measurably worse but this marks a big new chapter in Israel, and ultimately Palestine and the rest of the region. I don’t know what all will be in store for us.

The hope is that the other coalition members will prevent the new guy running amok. It's hard to imagine an 8 party coalition being long lived though.

Timberrrrrrrr

Great to see the back of him, hopefully he rots in jail but I don't hold out too much h hope of that happening.

Unfortunately for the Palestinian people it will probably be the same as before.

biko

Right-wing nationalist Naftali Bennett has been sworn in as prime minister, leading a "government of change".

Dillonb3

From what I read the new coalition government is composed of far right and left leaning parties. Surely that wont hold itself together

85603

this will surely bring well reasoned compromise to the region.

off to the bookies to back a new era of peace. hurray.

kildare lad

He instigated that last bloodbath on purpose because he knew his time was up and he hoped that would by him more time and support . He's a sick and twisted individual

biko

Hamas shot first.

biko

On topic, Bibi has been leading Israel a very long time. Some new blood is needed, although it's not certain what that will mean.

Akrasia

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

Timberrrrrrrr

biko wrote: »

Hamas shot first.

Change the record ffs

Akrasia

biko wrote: »

On topic, Bibi has been leading Israel a very long time. Some new blood is needed, although it's not certain what that will mean.

It will mean he gets to have ‘the benefit of the doubt’ and is not held responsible for Bibis crimes while committing those same crimes himself

biko

Naftali Bennett will lead a government that will include left-wing and centrist parties so anything is possible I suppose.
It's unlikely he will back down on West Bank.
We'll see I suppose.

riffmongous

They just need to hold it together long enough for the corruption charges Bibi has been running from the last few years to finally catch up on him.

ulster

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-out-israel-prime-minister/2021/06/13/eaac2738-c9e8-11eb-8708-64991f2acf28_story.html

I don’t know that his successor will be any better or not measurably worse but this marks a big new chapter in Israel, and ultimately Palestine and the rest of the region. I don’t know what all will be in store for us.

Well there won't be anything in store for Ireland. Israel's thousands of kilometres away.

Is my reading of this right though?

The new lad taking over is in a right wing party, and Benji is remaining leader of his right wing party and will be the opposition?

Odhinn

Deleted User wrote: »

Is my reading of this right though?

The new lad taking over is in a right wing party, and Benji is remaining leader of his right wing party and will be the opposition?

Essentially, yep.

gordongekko

Isn't this new dude Irish?

Odhinn

gordongekko wrote: »

Isn't this new dude Irish?

No, thats the president of Israel. Isaac Herzog.

Dillonb3

Deleted User wrote: »

Is my reading of this right though?

The new lad taking over is in a right wing party, and Benji is remaining leader of his right wing party and will be the opposition?

Yep and the new coalition government has 60 seats while Netanyahu's opposition has 59 seats. Coalition consists of right wing, left wing and Arab party's

riffmongous

Deleted User wrote: »

Is my reading of this right though?

The new lad taking over is in a right wing party, and Benji is remaining leader of his right wing party and will be the opposition?

Something like 13 parties won seats, so there's going to be quite a few left and right wing parties (and I'm not sure then how they classify the arabic parties within that)

Larbre34

gordongekko wrote: »

Isn't this new dude Irish?

No. The President Elect of Israel, Herzog, is the son of an Irish born and raised Jew, himself a former President of Israel.

The President is much like Michael D Higgins is here, an Head of State with some constitutional functions.

The new Prime Minister Bennett, was born and raised in Israel.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-out-israel-prime-minister/2021/06/13/eaac2738-c9e8-11eb-8708-64991f2acf28_story.html

I don’t know that his successor will be any better or not measurably worse but this marks a big new chapter in Israel, and ultimately Palestine and the rest of the region. I don’t know what all will be in store for us.

One wanker replaced by another.

kravmaga

TheValeyard wrote: »

He's a horrible bastard who should be rotting in jail.

And a bully boy also, horrible excuse for a human being, good riddance to bad rubbish.

Hopefully a new page and era for Israel.

For Forks Sake

Dillonb3 wrote: »

Yep and the new coalition government has 60 seats while Netanyahu's opposition has 59 seats. Coalition consists of right wing, left wing and Arab party's

A fine exercise in herding cats that's going to be.

Larbre34

For Forks Sake wrote: »

A fine exercise in herding cats that's going to be.

No different to politics in Israel since forever, this time its just different cats.

Tchaikovsky

A human verruca on the foot of civilisation

tayto lover

Another murderer ousted. Hopefully he gets his comeuppance soon.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Another murderer ousted. Hopefully he gets his comeuppance soon.

Not really.

Bibi's now installed in a cushy "opposition" knesset role.

Still a lot better off than poor old Donald T.

Shebean

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really.

Bibi's now installed in a cushy "opposition" knesset role.

Still a lot better off than poor old Donald T.

In both cases they are no longer protected by their office. Criminal investigations are go.

Timberrrrrrrr

Shebean wrote: »

In both cases they are no longer protected by their office. Criminal investigations are go.

As much as I would love to see it I just can't believe it will happen.

No way an (ex) American president will go to jail, they (the establishment) just wouldn't allow it.

No.way Bibi goes to jail, if they won't convict soldiers of murder/war crimes then no way will they convict him.

Bot Trump and Bibi have way too much information on too many people for them to be jailed and that's really the sad fact of the matter, they should both be tried and if guilty then convicted and sent to prison.

tandcapply

A lot of hatered towards a media persona and some partial information in this thread.
To set the record straight (I'm an Israeli living in Ireland), Bibi will remain head of the opposition until a Likud party election, so not for too long I guess assuming this coalition survives until than.

The real winner is Yair Lapid, the next PM who came up with this government.

Also, many conspiracy theories being floated here, I've never encountered an equivalent obsession with the affairs of any other country here and don't talk to me about human rights because Ireland needs to sort out its own act before it self promotes itself as the champions of human rights. Being on the gravy train in terms of UN tours (even the name suggests it).

Better get the Irish government to focus on promoting what Ireland is known for In the middle East: tax breaks and relaxed regulation for rich Arab countries and an easy entry point into the EU.

In the middle East, Ireland isn't really considered for anything else or thought of much, so it's a one way obsession.
There's a saying:"It’s Better to Be Smart than to Be Right"

Odhinn

tandcapply wrote: »

A lot of hatered towards a media persona and some partial information in this thread.
To set the record straight (I'm an Israeli living in Ireland), Bibi will remain head of the opposition until a Likud party election, so not for too long I guess assuming this coalition survives until than.

The real winner is Yair Lapid, the next PM who came up with this government.

Also, many conspiracy theories being floated here, I've never encountered an equivalent obsession with the affairs of any other country here and don't talk to me about human rights because Ireland needs to sort out its own act before it self promotes itself as the champions of human rights. Being on the gravy train in terms of UN tours (even the name suggests it).

Better get the Irish government to focus on promoting what Ireland is known for In the middle East: tax breaks and relaxed regulation for rich Arab countries and an easy entry point into the EU.

In the middle East, Ireland isn't really considered for anything else or thought of, so it's a one way obsession.

What specifically are you referring to here?

tandcapply

Odhinn wrote: »

What specifically are you referring to here?

I'm referring to the very generous financial benefits to individuals as well as Ireland in going on peace keeping tours, not really contributing in any other way. Just some part timers with guns that need rescue from the likes of Lebanon.
If they ever find themselves in real conflict like in Lebanon all they can do is call for help (again) from the Israeli army as they can't even defend themselves.
See first hit on Irish website:
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/israeli-defense-force-rescues-irish-troops-from-islamist-extremists

They are perceived as a joke. Another example from an Irish mainstream paper:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/missing-chad-drone-may-have-tried-to-fly-home-26497563.html

Housefree

tandcapply wrote: »

A lot of hatered towards a media persona and some partial information in this thread.
To set the record straight (I'm an Israeli living in Ireland), Bibi will remain head of the opposition until a Likud party election, so not for too long I guess assuming this coalition survives until than.

The real winner is Yair Lapid, the next PM who came up with this government.

Also, many conspiracy theories being floated here, I've never encountered an equivalent obsession with the affairs of any other country here and don't talk to me about human rights because Ireland needs to sort out its own act before it self promotes itself as the champions of human rights. Being on the gravy train in terms of UN tours (even the name suggests it).

Better get the Irish government to focus on promoting what Ireland is known for In the middle East: tax breaks and relaxed regulation for rich Arab countries and an easy entry point into the EU.

In the middle East, Ireland isn't really considered for anything else or thought of much, so it's a one way obsession.
There's a saying:"It’s Better to Be Smart than to Be Right"

Irish people don't like apartheid states

Timberrrrrrrr

tandcapply wrote: »

A lot of hatered towards a media persona and some partial information in this thread.
To set the record straight (I'm an Israeli living in Ireland), Bibi will remain head of the opposition until a Likud party election, so not for too long I guess assuming this coalition survives until than.

The real winner is Yair Lapid, the next PM who came up with this government.

Also, many conspiracy theories being floated here, I've never encountered an equivalent obsession with the affairs of any other country here and don't talk to me about human rights because Ireland needs to sort out its own act before it self promotes itself as the champions of human rights. Being on the gravy train in terms of UN tours (even the name suggests it).

Better get the Irish government to focus on promoting what Ireland is known for In the middle East: tax breaks and relaxed regulation for rich Arab countries and an easy entry point into the EU.

In the middle East, Ireland isn't really considered for anything else or thought of much, so it's a one way obsession.
There's a saying:"It’s Better to Be Smart than to Be Right"

Can you tell me what human rights laws Ireland breaks? What human rights does Ireland ignore when it comes to...you know.....human rights?

Housefree

Compared to Israel

Israel is an apartheid state
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/27/abusive-israeli-policies-constitute-crimes-apartheid-persecution .

Israels Human Rights organization declared it Apartheid
'A regime of Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This is apartheid'
https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid an

Palestinians live under constant human rights abuses
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Ireland has a great Palestinian solidarity group
https://www.ipsc.ie/

SADAKA Mission: ‘To promote and maximise support for changes in Ireland’s domestic and foreign policies which advance the achievement of self-determination and other fundamental rights of the Palestinian people.’
https://www.sadaka.ie/

Make sure you check out the boycott campaign
https://bdsmovement.net/

Israel employs an army of social media warriors, make sure you don't get caught up debating them
https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566

Smee_Again

You sound bitter tand, you’d be better off refuting any specific allegations you disagree with instead of slagging off our quite highly rated peacekeepers.

tandcapply

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Can you tell me what human rights laws Ireland breaks? What human rights does Ireland ignore when it comes to...you know.....human rights?

Have you been around since March 2020? Draconian laws passed without debate against it's own citizens. I'm all for keeping public health but this never happened. This is just pulling the breaks but not really doing anything more than short term.

Also, travelers are treated like 2nd class citizens at the best of times

Timberrrrrrrr

tandcapply wrote: »

Have you been around since March 2020? Draconian laws passed without debate against it's own citizens. I'm all for keeping public health but this never happened. This is just pulling the breaks but not really doing anything more than short term.

Also, travelers are treated like 2nd class citizens at the best of times

You mean the same measures that have been passed in most countries including Israel?

tandcapply

Smee_Again wrote: »

You sound bitter tand, you’d be better off refuting any specific allegations you disagree with instead of slagging off our quite highly rated peacekeepers.

"Israel is an Apartheid state" - I read and hear this a lot here, all with examples and link to UN defenitions.
Funny how the Irish are experts in international law but have mostly zero understanding in foreign affairs and the middle east

^^^^^ DEFLECT

Smee_Again

tandcapply wrote: »

"Israel is an Apartheid state" - I read and hear this a lot here, all with examples and link to UN defenitions.
Funny how the Irish are experts in international law but have mostly zero understanding in foreign affairs and the middle east

It is though.

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