Need to move and get a job

Need a Username

I’m not sure if I am posting in the correct section but it didn’t seem appropriate for Work & Jobs.

I have been out of work for five years. At first it was four to mental health issues but it put in in the right place to look after someone who needed a carer.

He has passed away now and I need to get my own place. I am being put under pressure to move - not nasty pressure, just “can you give me a date you plan to leave so we can have our house back” kind of thing

I want to go to Dublin - both as someplace new and I can get the help I need to deal with my mental health.

I also need to get a job so I can pay rent. I don’t know what kind of job I will be able for at first but I have applied for both call centre and warehouse jobs.

Does it make more sense to get a place to live first or should I have a job before applying for a flat?

LegacyUser

Need a Username wrote: »

Does it make more sense to get a place to live first or should I have a job before applying for a flat?

Apply for jobs in your area (even a temp will do) and move out asap.
You have no right to overstay and this situation is getting messy.

Supply and demand in Dublin - manic.
No one in the right mind will rent to an unemployed person.

Job first, then maybe consider moving to a different county.

2 fast

Firstly you would need to ensure you have enough money to cover deposit and rent for the first couple of months.

To rent you will need references and deposit ready to go.

You need to do research as to what part of Dublin you want to live in, can you commute to other areas.

What kind of jobs are available in your skillset.

Talk to a recruiter or contact companies that are hiring.

Not to put you off but Dublin is expensive to rent in and live so make sure you can afford it.

Need a Username

uninvited wrote: »

Apply for jobs in your area (even a temp will do) and move out asap.
You have no right to overstay and this situation is getting messy.

Supply and demand in Dublin - manic.
No one in the right mind will rent to an unemployed person.

Job first, then maybe consider moving to a different county.

What do you mean by no right to overstay and this situation is getting messy?

Who said I was going to to overstay ? And who said things are messy?

YellowLead

When I moved into my rented accommodation I needed to provide a written reference from my employer, and I’ve given them out for people before so I think that is the norm. It might be different of course if welfare dependent.

Have you identified specifically which mental health services in Dublin will help you? Or do you just feel because it’s our biggest city that it will have the widest range of professionals?

Dublin is super expensive to live in, and hard to find rental accommodation so if you can consider the surrounds with a view to commuting there to a job, or else other cities such as Cork etc that might also provide the level of service you require, rather than limiting yourself to only Dublin, you might have a better chance of securing both employment and accommodation.

Or you could live and work not too far from Dublin but commute to whatever mental health service is required potentially - if there was a job and accommodation you found somewhere.

Need a Username

2 fast wrote: »

Firstly you would need to ensure you have enough money to cover deposit and rent for the first couple of months.

To rent you will need references and deposit ready to go.

You need to do research as to what part of Dublin you want to live in, can you commute to other areas.

What kind of jobs are available in your skillset.

Talk to a recruiter or contact companies that are hiring.

Not to put you off but Dublin is expensive to rent in and live so make sure you can afford it.

It has to be Dublin. I need access to the doctor who treated me when I was younger. And I love cinema and Dublin gets movies the rest of the country does not - things to do like that are a great help.

Like the poster before you said - no one will rent to an unemployed person - but would an employer give a job to a person not currently living there?

A deposit isn’t a problem but who would I get a reference from? The last person I rented from was in Germany - that person or just some one who knows me well?

Need a Username

YellowLead wrote: »

When I moved into my rented accommodation I needed to provide a written reference from my employer, and I’ve given them out for people before so I think that is the norm. It might be different of course if welfare dependent.

Have you identified specifically which mental health services in Dublin will help you? Or do you just feel because it’s our biggest city that it will have the widest range of professionals?

Dublin is super expensive to live in, and hard to find rental accommodation so if you can consider the surrounds with a view to commuting there to a job, or else other cities such as Cork etc that might also provide the level of service you require, rather than limiting yourself to only Dublin, you might have a better chance of securing both employment and accommodation.

Or you could live and work not too far from Dublin but commute to whatever mental health service is required potentially - if there was a job and accommodation you found somewhere.

It does have to be Dublin but living and working outside would be okay. Earlier I was trying to find around Dublin but I couldn’t focus on finding them on the job search sites.

Need a Username

Well maybe it doesn’t “have to be” but at this point I can’t imagine any other doctor helping me.

YellowLead

It depends on what industry you are aiming for also. Plenty of employment at the moment is working from home for another few months which would give you time to start and then find accommodation a little bit more at your leisure.
But it all depends where your experience lies.

Deep Thought

There are clerical positions in civil service.

Have a look at publicjobs.ie

If you got in prob loads of opportunities.

btw.. I don’t work in civil service

Dial Hard

Need a Username wrote: »

Well maybe it doesn’t “have to be” but at this point I can’t imagine any other doctor helping me.

Have you actually engaged with this doctor yet? It seems a bit odd that living in Dublin is a prerequisite for them to treat you.

Esse85

When applying for jobs in Dublin, can you put a Dublin address on your cv, just so it will appear you are already living there.
You will appear a safer hire from an employers point of view rather than somebody not living there.

Need a Username

Deep Thought wrote: »

There are clerical positions in civil service.

Have a look at publicjobs.ie

If you got in prob loads of opportunities.

btw.. I don’t work in civil service

Isn’t the civil service very difficult to get into?

Need a Username

Dial Hard wrote: »

Have you actually engaged with this doctor yet? It seems a bit odd that living in Dublin is a prerequisite for them to treat you.

Yes I have and it isn’t a condition set down by him that I need to live in Dublin.

Travelling from here to there for these meetings would be very difficult for me, and I want to move from here anyway.

Need a Username

Esse85 wrote: »

When applying for jobs in Dublin, can you put a Dublin address on your cv, just so it will appear you are already living there.
You will appear a safer hire from an employers point of view rather than somebody not living there.

I honestly didn’t think of that.

I don’t know anybody up there though so I don’t know how to get an address.

2 fast

Need a Username wrote: »

It has to be Dublin. I need access to the doctor who treated me when I was younger. And I love cinema and Dublin gets movies the rest of the country does not - things to do like that are a great help.

Like the poster before you said - no one will rent to an unemployed person - but would an employer give a job to a person not currently living there?

A deposit isn’t a problem but who would I get a reference from? The last person I rented from was in Germany - that person or just some one who knows me well?

You could just get someone you know to give you a ref.

You'd get a job without living there bit you'd need to declare your intent on moving or as someone said give a Dublin address

Best of luck op

Purple Mountain

OP, if you are suffering from mental health problems and you don't know anyone living in Dublin, I'd really consider if it's for you.
What support network will you have there?
Dublin (no offence to Dublin people) isn't for the faint hearted, same as any capital city. It's super expensive, one million people and many rented places won't have a sense of community if people are moving in and out frequently.
Now maybe that's your cup of tea, OP but having an illness usually requires people to have close contacts nearby as support.
How would you feel about sharing a house? Look at places for rent within your budget and see if those are places you could see yourself living.
Why not look at smaller scale cities or towns like Kilkenny or Waterford that have trains/buses to Dublin for you to attend your appointments.
Look at call centre jobs there and renting a room will be significantly lower than Dublin.

LegacyUser

Esse85 wrote: »

When applying for jobs in Dublin, can you put a Dublin address on your cv, just so it will appear you are already living there.
You will appear a safer hire from an employers point of view rather than somebody not living there.

Honestly, there's really no need for it. I used to work in recruitment (in-house and agency) and as long as someone was willing to relocate it didn't matter where they lived at the time of extending a job offer. I once hired a guy living in Belfast for a job based in Dublin. He had great difficulties getting a place to live, so for a while he drove from Belfast to Dublin and back, every day. I myself got a job based in Amsterdam while living in Dublin. My friend got a job in Cork while living in Dublin. This is a non-issue, especially now that many people are working from home, and this is not likely to change anytime soon. Also, many office based companies are transitioning to working from home permanently, either full time or part time (hybrid approach 2 days in the office, 3 days home or similar), so employers will be more flexible as to where people are based.

Look for a job first, OP, and sort out your accommodation later, if that's an option.

1hnr79jr65

Esse85 wrote: »

When applying for jobs in Dublin, can you put a Dublin address on your cv, just so it will appear you are already living there.
You will appear a safer hire from an employers point of view rather than somebody not living there.

OP I would not be following this "advice" as it could lead to loss of a job. Providing false information is ground for immediate termination within first 6 months, also if you were to be provided anything by or for working purposes how will you accept delivery at that address if you not living there. I would be weary of claiming you are living in a place you are not.

Try check out commuter towns like Bray, Greystones, Skerries, Lusk, Baldoyle, Maynooth, Lucan, Leixlip, Kilcock, Drogheda......etc for places to rent that on dart/commuter train line. Also would be a number of jobs going in places like maynooth and drogheda.

Need a Username

Purple Mountain wrote: »

OP, if you are suffering from mental health problems and you don't know anyone living in Dublin, I'd really consider if it's for you.
What support network will you have there?
Dublin (no offence to Dublin people) isn't for the faint hearted, same as any capital city. It's super expensive, one million people and many rented places won't have a sense of community if people are moving in and out frequently.
Now maybe that's your cup of tea, OP but having an illness usually requires people to have close contacts nearby as support.
How would you feel about sharing a house? Look at places for rent within your budget and see if those are places you could see yourself living.
Why not look at smaller scale cities or towns like Kilkenny or Waterford that have trains/buses to Dublin for you to attend your appointments.
Look at call centre jobs there and renting a room will be significantly lower than Dublin.

I don’t have a support network now anyway.

I have started looking at jobs outside Dublin. I will see how that goes but I don’t no about other cities.

Sharing a house or apartment is not for me. I do need to live on my own.

Need a Username

Tolkeyt wrote: »

Honestly, there's really no need for it. I used to work in recruitment (in-house and agency) and as long as someone was willing to relocate it didn't matter where they lived at the time of extending a job offer. I once hired a guy living in Belfast for a job based in Dublin. He had great difficulties getting a place to live, so for a while he drove from Belfast to Dublin and back, every day. I myself got a job based in Amsterdam while living in Dublin. My friend got a job in Cork while living in Dublin. This is a non-issue, especially now that many people are working from home, and this is not likely to change anytime soon. Also, many office based companies are transitioning to working from home permanently, either full time or part time (hybrid approach 2 days in the office, 3 days home or similar), so employers will be more flexible as to where people are based.

Look for a job first, OP, and sort out your accommodation later, if that's an option.

I’ve only done warehouse and manufacturing work but I’m really not up to physical labour because of an old injury. That is why I wanted to try call centres.

If I got a from home customer support job while I’m living here it would be ideal - I’ve been out of work so long that I don’t have the discipline to sit at a desk if I’m not at work location being supervised. Here in this house I would have the need to prove myself so that they would feel okay that I’m able when I leave.

Need a Username

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

OP I would not be following this "advice" as it could lead to loss of a job. Providing false information is ground for immediate termination within first 6 months, also if you were to be provided anything by or for working purposes how will you accept delivery at that address if you not living there. I would be weary of claiming you are living in a place you are not.

Try check out commuter towns like Bray, Greystones, Skerries, Lusk, Baldoyle, Maynooth, Lucan, Leixlip, Kilcock, Drogheda......etc for places to rent that on dart/commuter train line. Also would be a number of jobs going in places like maynooth and drogheda.

Well I don’t have an address anywhere but here so I can’t fake it. If I did have one I would have done it so thank for saying I should not.

And thanks for the list of towns. I only knew Naas, Bray and Drogheda to be potential locations because of size but I am not at at all familiar with the others.

Wanderer78

you maybe jumping the gun op, you may need professional guidance to get you back into a working situation and environment, i think starting with a local therapist and your gp is probably the best starting point, moving to dublin could be detrimental to your mental well being, recovery takes time, baby steps is best

flazio

You were a carer. Would you consider working in a care home or as a home help for an elderly? I'm curious as to what is your transportation situation? Can you drive? Own a car?
It's the cliché question, "Where do you see yourself in 5 years" situation, set your goal, explore all the obstacles and what you have to do to overcome them and then plan out day by day what you are going to do in order to achieve it.

Dial Hard

Need a Username wrote: »

Well I don’t have an address anywhere but here so I can’t fake it. If I did have one I would have done it so thank for saying I should not.

And thanks for the list of towns. I only knew Naas, Bray and Drogheda to be potential locations because of size but I am not at at all familiar with the others.

It's not the norm to put your address on your CV anyway, I haven't had mine on it since I was a teenager.

However, I'd be inclined to agree with others that you may be putting the cart before the horse to a large extent here. You haven't worked in years, you are struggling with your mental health and you say yourself your work discipline is likely to be below par - I think jumping with both feet straight into a move to Dublin under those circumstances would be a huge mistake. You'd be much better off to get a job, get used to being in a work environment again and start working on your mental health before you even consider moving to the most expensive city in the country.

Need a Username

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you maybe jumping the gun op, you may need professional guidance to get you back into a working situation and environment, i think starting with a local therapist and your gp is probably the best starting point, moving to dublin could be detrimental to your mental well being, recovery takes time, baby steps is best

No I need to make this leap.

I won’t get any help here because I don’t want to be here.

I need a fresh start.

Wanderer78

Need a Username wrote: »

No I need to make this leap.

I won’t get any help here because I don’t want to be here.

I need a fresh start.

again, just be aware, this is an extremely risky strategy, it has a high potential of triggering your mental health issues again, so......

Wanderer78

maybe of some help

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/8578c4-access-the-employability-service/#

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/28d5a6-list-of-employability-organisations/#

Jequ0n

Need a Username wrote: »

No I need to make this leap.

I won’t get any help here because I don’t want to be here.

I need a fresh start.

You need a reality check.
You have basically been unemployed for years and only have experience in warehouse and call centre work. Surely when looking at Dublin rental accommodation you must have realised that affording anything but a shared accommodation at this salary is less than realistic.
Has the care work been official or unofficial?

Seeking help on how to get back into the job sector is the best advise that was given. If you act without a plan you are bound to crash

Jequ0n

Wanderer78 wrote: »

again, just be aware, this is an extremely risky strategy, it has a high potential of triggering your mental health issues again, so......

It’s not a strategy, it’s fleeing into an unknown destination

spaceHopper

Are you entitled to any social welfare for your mental health issues?

Next you have experience of caring for somebody elderly, get a qualification in that, it wouldn't take long and you will be snapped up buy an agency. If you are getting SW and able to say work 20 hours a week you would do well. Also there are many families looking for extra help with an elderly relative that would take you on once vetted and qualified.

Once you have a some agency experience you could work for one family or a nursing home.... I wouldn't go straight to Dublin, stay local get experience and try with a local Dr first. If that isn't working out then look at Dublin

Need a Username

flazio wrote: »

You were a carer. Would you consider working in a care home or as a home help for an elderly? I'm curious as to what is your transportation situation? Can you drive? Own a car?
It's the cliché question, "Where do you see yourself in 5 years" situation, set your goal, explore all the obstacles and what you have to do to overcome them and then plan out day by day what you are going to do in order to achieve it.

I could not do that as a job. Only reason I was able was because I cared very much for that relative.

I don’t have a license or a car. I travelled a lot and worked abroad and there was never a need. I used a motorbike but my illness makes using one dangerous.

In 5 years - just a job and a place to live. And to be have the money to travel again.

Wanderer78

Need a Username wrote: »

I could not do that as a job. Only reason I was able was because I cared very much for that relative.

I don’t have a license or a car. I travelled a lot and worked abroad and there was never a need. I used a motorbike but my illness makes using one dangerous.

In 5 years - just a job and a place to live. And to be have the money to travel again.

great plan, but it does need professional guidance in order to be viable

Need a Username

Dial Hard wrote: »

It's not the norm to put your address on your CV anyway, I haven't had mine on it since I was a teenager.

However, I'd be inclined to agree with others that you may be putting the cart before the horse to a large extent here. You haven't worked in years, you are struggling with your mental health and you say yourself your work discipline is likely to be below par - I think jumping with both feet straight into a move to Dublin under those circumstances would be a huge mistake. You'd be much better off to get a job, get used to being in a work environment again and start working on your mental health before you even consider moving to the most expensive city in the country.

Horse before the cart has not worked for me.

I am fully aware that it is a big risk but trying to live on my own and work here has guaranteed outcome.

Need a Username

Wanderer78 wrote: »

again, just be aware, this is an extremely risky strategy, it has a high potential of triggering your mental health issues again, so......

As above I am very aware of this but the alternative is just grim.

Need a Username

Wanderer78 wrote: »

maybe of some help

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/8578c4-access-the-employability-service/#

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/28d5a6-list-of-employability-organisations/#

Thank you.

Wanderer78

Need a Username wrote: »

As above I am very aware of this.

the chances of success are extremely small unfortunately without professional guidance, and the chances of relapse extremely high

Wanderer78

Need a Username wrote: »

Thank you.

ive never used those services myself, but ive heard of success stories, worth contacting though

Need a Username

spaceHopper wrote: »

Are you entitled to any social welfare for your mental health issues?

Next you have experience of caring for somebody elderly, get a qualification in that, it wouldn't take long and you will be snapped up buy an agency. If you are getting SW and able to say work 20 hours a week you would do well. Also there are many families looking for extra help with an elderly relative that would take you on once vetted and qualified.

Once you have a some agency experience you could work for one family or a nursing home.... I wouldn't go straight to Dublin, stay local get experience and try with a local Dr first. If that isn't working out then look at Dublin

I am on disability. I don’t think there are any other payments.

I could not do caring as job.

I really can’t stay local - it is a death sentence.

Wanderer78

Need a Username wrote: »

I am on disability. I don’t think there are any other payments.

I could not do caring as job.

I really can’t stay local - it is a death sentence.

those services are probably the way to go then, thats exactly what theyre there for, best of luck

Need a Username

Wanderer78 wrote: »

great plan, but it does need professional guidance in order to be viable

I have a phone call with a therapist on Monday (hopefully - it was an out of office email reply) who works with the physiologist who helped me when I was young.

Staying local would just be the end of me.

I know moving is risky but there is nothing to stay here for. Having a job would keep me occupied for most of the day. If I “crash” as was so nicely out by some jovial soul earlier then I crash - there is nothing here to help me any better than somewhere else.

Wanderer78

Need a Username wrote: »

I have a phone call with a therapist on Monday (hopefully - it was an out of office email reply) who works with the physiologist who helped me when I was young.

Staying local would just be the end of me.

I know moving is risky but there is nothing to stay here for. Having a job would keep me occupied for most of the day. If I “crash” as was so nicely out by some jovial soul earlier then I crash - there is nothing here to help me any better than somewhere else.

you need to be very careful with your approach, crashing could effectively be the death nail of ever getting to your end goal, which is a great one, working with professionals is probably your best bet, but you will have to be patient.

moving could very well be best for you, but this to needs to be planned, ideally in conjunction with such professionals, its extremely important to be aware of the seriousness of our housing and accommodation issues, particularly in the dublin region. this is in fact forcing many reasonably well paid professionals out of the region, as they simply cannot afford it anymore, i know of a couple of people that this has happened to, so.....

Need a Username

Wanderer78 wrote: »

you need to be very careful with your approach, crashing could effectively be the death nail of ever getting to your end goal, which is a great one, working with professionals is probably your best bet, but you will have to be patient.

moving could very well be best for you, but this to needs to be planned, ideally in conjunction with such professionals, its extremely important to be aware of the seriousness of our housing and accommodation issues, particularly in the dublin region. this is in fact forcing many reasonably well paid professionals out of the region, as they simply cannot afford it anymore, i know of a couple of people that this has happened to, so.....

I was dead set on “in Dublin” until people here on the boards warned of prices, etc and suggested the surrounding areas.

I was always happy (for three most part) working abroad and working while travelling. There was a confluence of events that ended it and I thought “go back to Ireland to catch my breath” but things got worse here. My relatives illness both interrupted any break down and the plans for getting help I tried to get myself to make. So I never properly fell apart or got the help I needed. And that has me in a limbo.

If it wasn’t for CoVid I might have chanced going on the road again.it was suggested to me but I don’t know if I have that in me anymore. I think of it but the first thing that pops into my head is that I wouldn’t be able to enjoy Disney+, Netflix, etc on a big TV.I didn’t realise I had become addicted.

Purple Mountain

OP, are you under the care of a psychiatrist or psychologist currently or a MH nurse etc?
Everyone needs a support network and I understand that it's not always possible with family/friends so hopefully you have professional support.

Wanderer78

Need a Username wrote: »

I was dead set on “in Dublin” until people here on the boards warned of prices, etc and suggested the surrounding areas.

I was always happy (for three most part) working abroad and working while travelling. There was a confluence of events that ended it and I thought “go back to Ireland to catch my breath” but things got worse here. My relatives illness both interrupted any break down and the plans for getting help I tried to get myself to make. So I never properly fell apart or got the help I needed. And that has me in a limbo.

If it wasn’t for CoVid I might have chanced going on the road again.it was suggested to me but I don’t know if I have that in me anymore. I think of it but the first thing that pops into my head is that I wouldn’t be able to enjoy Disney+, Netflix, etc on a big TV.I didn’t realise I had become addicted.

work with your professionals, in order to try achieve your ultimate goals of working again and traveling, these are great goals to have, but need to be very carefully implemented, to prevent further relapses and negative outcomes

Tork

Have you sat down and priced accommodation in Dublin? You said that you don't want to share with anybody, so that means you're going to be paying a lot of big bills all by yourself. Not just the rent but electricity, gas, broadband etc. I get the distinct impression that you're running away from your problems and have decided that Dublin is the silver bullet that will solve everything. Maybe it'll help but are access to a specific doctor and going to the cinema really valid reasons for moving to the most expensive part of the country?

YellowLead

OP - have you had a look at the reality of accommodation in Dublin and how much it costs to rent a one bed? Have a look at daft.ie and see the cost for yourself, then look at salaries for jobs advertised for the kind of work you are looking for.
For reference, I live in Maynooth and am renting a 2 bed apartment for 1600 a month, one beds aren’t THAT much cheaper and are also more rare. It also took me a year to find the place as completion is insane.

Fair enough you want to leave the area you are in now but Dublin and the close commuter towns might not be an option from an affordability/availability perspective.

Purple Mountain

Tork wrote: »

Have you sat down and priced accommodation in Dublin? You said that you don't want to share with anybody, so that means you're going to be paying a lot of big bills all by yourself. Not just the rent but electricity, gas, broadband etc. I get the distinct impression that you're running away from your problems and have decided that Dublin is the silver bullet that will solve everything. Maybe it'll help but are access to a specific doctor and going to the cinema really valid reasons for moving to the most expensive part of the country?

OP, has contended that they will look at other locations since. But OP, like Tork is saying here. Even if you move to the town with the cheapest rental market, you need to factor in that living alone you will be responsible for all the bills in that home.

LegacyUser

Need a Username wrote: »

I am on disability. I don’t think there are any other payments.

I could not do caring as job.

I really can’t stay local - it is a death sentence.

On disability whilst caring for a relative for cash in hand?

Will they provide references saying you were merely helping out in exchange for a place to live was opposed to getting paid and by that defrauding the tax man?

Purple Mountain

Just a thought OP.
If you are on DA, why not go to the Council and tell them that your current living arrangements are coming to an end?
You may be entitled to go on the housing list (as currently the alternative is having no home).
That may open the door to HAP for you (supplemented rent).
Would you go to a Citizens Information Centre or local TD's office for some information or advocacy?

1hnr79jr65

Need a Username wrote: »

Well I don’t have an address anywhere but here so I can’t fake it. If I did have one I would have done it so thank for saying I should not.

And thanks for the list of towns. I only knew Naas, Bray and Drogheda to be potential locations because of size but I am not at at all familiar with the others.

Check out indeed or irishjobs, lots of jobs from call centers and such in Drogheda. Train tickets can be expensive even on travel saver, however Matthews coaches does regular services from Drogheda to Dublin €60 for 10 trip ticket, i know a lot of folks who live there and work in Dublin who use the service. My wife uses the same bus from Dundalk further north of Drogheda goin to Dublin.