Graham Dwyer - latest

JP Liz V1

Who is paying for this?

LMHC

BattleCorp wrote: »

Even with the phone evidence being admitted, I'm surprised he was convicted. I think he did it for sure, but the evidence against him was weak enough.

I see it the same mid trial I had him walking. But if the state want you they will get you. But convinced on EU directive he walks.

Asdfgh2020

LMHC wrote: »

Is it not already a done deal. Alan Wilson won the same ruling. If he wins it hell never do another day in jail. Unsafe conviction then due to media hyperbole he will have an "unfair retrial" Graham more then likely back on his sick websites come end of summer.

Can I ask why you refer to this excuse of a human being using his first name above……?

monkeybutter

BattleCorp wrote: »

Even with the phone evidence being admitted, I'm surprised he was convicted. I think he did it for sure, but the evidence against him was weak enough.

It was not they had him hooked

They had him saying what he was going to do then it happens and the phones end up in a reservoir 6 hours walk away from where the body was found ruling out suicide

monkeybutter

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Who is paying for this?

You are I'm afraid

LMHC

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

Can I ask why you refer to this excuse of a human being using his first name above……?

What should I call him and i ll address as such from now on.

He who must not be named.

Gradwy

Anything else you'd like Me to call him. He's still a human being, you don't have to like or agree with him. But I've been in prison and I feel I'm no position to judge.

nc6000

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Who is paying for this?

Good question and I'd also like to know who is representing him in this action. There's no way this guy should be freed, it was clearly shown during the trial how dangerous he is.

LMHC

monkeybutter wrote: »

You are I'm afraid

He wouldn't have legal aide. Guys filthy rich.

LMHC

nc6000 wrote: »

Good question and I'd also like to know who is representing him in this action. There's no way this guy should be freed, it was clearly shown during the trial how dangerous he is.

Remy is his barrister id imagine.

jackboy

LMHC wrote: »

But if the state want you they will get you.

This is it in a nutshell. Regardless of what comes out of Europe he is not getting out of jail. No judge in Ireland will allow that to happen.

LMHC

jackboy wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell. Regardless of what comes out of Europe he is not getting out of jail. No judge in Ireland will allow that to happen.

Irish judge already ruled in his favour. State appealed grahams win to Europe.

monkeybutter

LMHC wrote: »

He wouldn't have legal aide. Guys filthy rich.

He got legal aid for the trial no working person who can no longer work due to being in prison can afford something like this

BattleCorp

jackboy wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell. Regardless of what comes out of Europe he is not getting out of jail. No judge in Ireland will allow that to happen.

The law is the law. A judge can't lock him up illegally, no matter what he did.

LMHC

monkeybutter wrote: »

He got legal aid for the trial no working person who can no longer work due to being in prison can afford something like this

No he wasn't on legal aide. He sold his home for 1.6 million.

jackboy

LMHC wrote: »

Irish judge already ruled in his favour. State appealed grahams win to Europe.

Not to let him out, that would be very different.

monkeybutter

LMHC wrote: »

No he wasn't on legal aide. He sold his home for 1.6 million.

Yes he was, the home was sold after the trial

Did you think he owned it outright?

And you have no idea how much these things cost

The house sold for say 600k

Stop making things up, it was a 3 bed house of horrors

LMHC

jackboy wrote: »

Not to let him out, that would be very different.

They ruled the only evidence that corroborated the states case was illegal. Alan Wilson won his murder trial on mariora on same ruling.

LMHC

monkeybutter wrote: »

Yes he was, the home was sold after the trial

Did you think he owned it outright?

And you have no idea how much these things cost

The house sold for say 600k

Stop making things up, it was a 3 bed house of horrors

600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out

monkeybutter

LMHC wrote: »

600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out

Do you think I'm wrong or something

Did you even look it up

Cause if you'd have paid 1.6 mill for it I have some beans I'm selling..

banie01

jackboy wrote: »

Not to let him out, that would be very different.

Without the phone data, his conviction is flawed and will be quashed.
The government will seek a retrial but we don't yet live in a country where internment or holding people in prison at the whim of a Government and in the absence of due process is the norm.

Speedline

LMHC wrote: »

600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out

To be fair the house only went up for sale 2 or 3 years ago. I remember reading it was broken into a few times after being empty for years.

Edit - https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/sale-agreed-for-murderer-graham-dwyers-former-family-home-38874893.html
It was up for 600k alright.

Asdfgh2020

LMHC wrote: »

What should I call him and i ll address as such from now on.

He who must not be named.

Gradwy

Anything else you'd like Me to call him. He's still a human being, you don't have to like or agree with him. But I've been in prison and I feel I'm no position to judge.

At least use his surname like everyone else here…..addressing him by his ‘first name’ suggests respect and that is the last thing this absolute abomination deserves….by the way if you have met him is it true that he is only a 5’ ft 2’’ inch short ass…?

spring lane jack

jackboy wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell. Regardless of what comes out of Europe he is not getting out of jail. No judge in Ireland will allow that to happen.

If released he would probably be immediately recharged with Murder and remanded again. They changed the law in Ireland regarding being trialled twice on the same offense. There appeared to be ****loads of evidence against him at the trial so even without the omitted evidence that he appealed the state could still have a successful case against him. I would hope so anyway.

Asdfgh2020

LMHC wrote: »

Remy is his barrister id imagine.

Remy should be proud of himself also……the misery His efforts may once again heap Onto the o’hara family…

monkeybutter

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

At least use his surname like everyone else here…..addressing him by his ‘first name’ suggests respect and that is the last thing this absolute abomination deserves….by the way if you have met him is it true that he is only a 5’ ft 2’’ inch short ass…?

No, 5 ft 7 or 8, normal enough

Asdfgh2020

monkeybutter wrote: »

No, 5 ft 7 or 8, normal enough

Not a short ass then but nothing huge either…..I wonder has he got a ‘hiding or two’ since his sentence began…? I’d say There are plenty Who Would fancy turning him into ‘A punch bag’

Gregor Samsa

LMHC wrote: »

600k in kerrymount. Hahahah OK I'm out

The house only went on the market in 2019, and the asking price was €595,000

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/foxrock-home-of-convicted-murderer-graham-dwyer-put-up-for-sale-1.4095671

The listing is still up, sill marked as “Sale Agreed”: https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/6-kerrymount-close-foxrock-dublin-18/4391771

Brian?

LMHC wrote: »

Irish judge already ruled in his favour. State appealed grahams win to Europe.

Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

BattleCorp

Asdfgh2020 wrote: »

Remy should be proud of himself also……the misery His efforts may once again heap Onto the o’hara family…

You are a bit harsh on the barrister. Everyone is entitled to a legal defence. He is only doing his job.

Article 40.1 of the Irish Constitution says the State cannot discriminate between citizens and denying Dwyer legal representation would breach those rights (no matter what he did or is accused of doing).

LMHC

Brian? wrote: »

Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

Well here read this then.

The State’s appeal over a High Court ruling upholding Dwyer’s challenge to a 2011 data retention law has important implications for the investigation and prosecution of serious crime and may also impact on Dwyer’s separate appeal over his 2015 conviction for the murder of childcare worker Elaine O’Hara.

Dwyer's challenge was upheld this means he won. Then the state appealed it.

LMHC

Brian? wrote: »

Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1206/1015454-graham-dwyer/

BattleCorp

Brian? wrote: »

Not according to anything I’m reading. The Supreme Court referred it to the European court. That isn’t a judgment in his favour.

Dwyer won his case in the High Court. https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/1206/1015454-graham-dwyer/

The State appealed it to the Supreme Court who referred it to Europe and that's where we are at now.

Dwyer has won the first round, but it's not over yet. But given other EU rulings on similar data cases, Dwyer seems to be on the front foot - unfortunately.

LMHC

I understand the crime was unsavory but we need to be logical he still has rights.

Immortal Starlight

He might have rights but I also have the right to hope he never again will see the light of day.

nullzero

LMHC wrote: »

I understand the crime was unsavory but we need to be logical he still has rights.

Unsavoury is something of an understatement tbf.

walshb

It’s an absolute red herring crock of Sh1t..

The law is an ass...so very apt!

LMHC

nullzero wrote: »

Unsavoury is something of an understatement tbf.

Who are we to judge.

nullzero

LMHC wrote: »

Who are we to judge.

Who are we to judge a man who premeditated the murder of a mentally ill woman and then set about dismembering her remains and subsequently buried them in several locations?

You know what? You've convinced me, Graham Dwyer poses to threat to society, we should release him and punish the Gardai for persecuting him.

monkeybutter

LMHC wrote: »

Who are we to judge.

Who are we to judge what he did is unsavoury?

Is that you Mr feg?

He has been judged already

monkeybutter

nullzero wrote: »

Who are we to judge a man who premeditated the murder of a mentally ill woman and then set about dismembering her remains and subsequently buried them in several locations?

You know what? You've convinced me, Graham Dwyer poses to threat to society, we should release him and punish the Gardai for persecuting him.

All you have to do is look at how old the user account is and how many posts to see how seriously you should take them

LMHC

monkeybutter wrote: »

All you have to do is look at how old the user account is and how many posts to see how seriously you should take them

So if a new poster starts posting you shouldn't take them serious. Wind your neck in you jackass

monkeybutter

LMHC wrote: »

Who are we to judge.

Is he still the million dollar man? What happened to that, international playboy

fiachraX

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The house only went on the market in 2019, and the asking price was €595,000

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/foxrock-home-of-convicted-murderer-graham-dwyer-put-up-for-sale-1.4095671

The listing is still up, sill marked as “Sale Agreed”: https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/6-kerrymount-close-foxrock-dublin-18/4391771

It's on the property price register as having been sold for €665,000 on 2020-07-02: https://propertypriceregisterireland.com/details/6_kerrymount_close_foxrock_dublin_18_co_dublin_ireland-448082/

monkeybutter

fiachraX wrote: »

It's on the property price register as having been sold for €665,000 on 2020-07-02: https://propertypriceregisterireland.com/details/6_kerrymount_close_foxrock_dublin_18_co_dublin_ireland-448082/

Stinks of negative equity too

LMHC

LMHC wrote: »

No they are meant to but a lot deal with there own appeals. Prisoner fan bring human rights abuse to Europe but a lot of eastern bloc countries don't take on judgement.

What do you mean? All citizens can bring a case to Europe after national courts

begbysback

nullzero wrote: »

Unsavoury is something of an understatement tbf.

Are we still talking about sauce here?

John_Rambo

LMHC wrote: »

I had the privilege or curse of meeting Graham hahah he worked in prison with us. Super intelligent but a devious huuuure.

This is interesting if it's true. You obviously spent time with him if you know of his intelligence and deviousness, what was he like to be around? Where did you work together in the prison? Can you shed any light on him, his attitude, his behaviour, his interaction with prisoners and prison staff?

Amazingfun

BattleCorp wrote: »

There wasn't much hard evidence against Dwyer to be honest. Take away the phone evidence and he could walk in a retrial.

I was surprised he was convicted at all tbh. I really don't want to get into the nitty gritty (gross) details of this case, but I feel good lawyer would have a lot to work with in his defense.

Been waiting to hear an update on this in fact, thanks OP.
(***not that it matters but I do believe he's guilty and an absolute scumbag)

monkeybutter

John_Rambo wrote: »

This is interesting if it's true. You obviously spent time with him if you know of his intelligence and deviousness, what was he like to be around? Where did you work together in the prison? Can you shed any light on him, his attitude, his behaviour, his interaction with prisoners and prison staff?

He was making that up

John_Rambo

monkeybutter wrote: »

He was making that up

Oh right... Sorry, I didn't read every post.