how would you work this

the_pen_turner

blatantly take from reddit.
its an interesting question. both sides are right in ways.
i would like to see boards opinion on it



Planning a trip with my friends and their wives. 7 people total including me. We’re getting 4 bedrooms (3 couples have their own rooms, I have my own room) Just as we were about to book 2 people brought up how it would be unfair if we split up the total cost of the Airbnb evenly 7 ways because couples act as a unified body. They want to split the cost 4 ways and make me pay for 2 people ($600 vs 300) while the couples pay $300 total for their rooms. If the couples just split it 7 ways they’d have to pay $77 more per couple. Why should I have to pay more just because I am single? The couples will be taking up more room in the house, more of their food will be in the fridge, they’ll have more stuff in the bathroom. And if the shoe was on the other foot I’d 100% split by person. Or am I crazy?

Ubbquittious

I'd bail out. The aim would be to go on a relaxing trip away not worried and arguing about who is paying slightly more or slightly less for their fair share

Spook_ie

the_pen_turner wrote: »

blatantly take from reddit.
its an interesting question. both sides are right in ways.
i would like to see boards opinion on it



Planning a trip with my friends and their wives. 7 people total including me. We’re getting 4 bedrooms (3 couples have their own rooms, I have my own room) Just as we were about to book 2 people brought up how it would be unfair if we split up the total cost of the Airbnb evenly 7 ways because couples act as a unified body. They want to split the cost 4 ways and make me pay for 2 people ($600 vs 300) while the couples pay $300 total for their rooms. If the couples just split it 7 ways they’d have to pay $77 more per couple. Why should I have to pay more just because I am single? The couples will be taking up more room in the house, more of their food will be in the fridge, they’ll have more stuff in the bathroom. And if the shoe was on the other foot I’d 100% split by person. Or am I crazy?

4 way split if the rooms are comparable

Allinall

the_pen_turner wrote: »

blatantly take from reddit.
its an interesting question. both sides are right in ways.
i would like to see boards opinion on it



Planning a trip with my friends and their wives. 7 people total including me. We’re getting 4 bedrooms (3 couples have their own rooms, I have my own room) Just as we were about to book 2 people brought up how it would be unfair if we split up the total cost of the Airbnb evenly 7 ways because couples act as a unified body. They want to split the cost 4 ways and make me pay for 2 people ($600 vs 300) while the couples pay $300 total for their rooms. If the couples just split it 7 ways they’d have to pay $77 more per couple. Why should I have to pay more just because I am single? The couples will be taking up more room in the house, more of their food will be in the fridge, they’ll have more stuff in the bathroom. And if the shoe was on the other foot I’d 100% split by person. Or am I crazy?

Personally I wouldn't go on holidays with people like that.

I see sheep

I think he should be paying for the room (so 4 way split).
What if he pulls every night? He'd be getting 2 people to stay for the price of one then.

Ficheall

Pay by room and then OP sleeps with each wife for 2 nights of the week.

some random drunk

Payment should be per room, assuming the 4 rooms are comparable, so split 4 ways. The single person could bring someone with them to share their room if they want to reduce their cost.

BattleCorp

If it's an Air B&B that has four rooms and is rented out as a whole (same price whether two, three or four of the rooms are occupied), then it would be a 7 way split.

If it was rented out on a charge per room basis like a hotel, then it's a 4 way split.

corner of hells

Bring a 'ho with you OP , that'll show em you're no pushover.

Gregor Samsa

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs": so you'd need to know the earnings, savings and outgoings of each participant to properly calculate their share.

And then just to keep the Communist theme of the holiday going, everyone has to queue for their food, and anyone who complains about anything gets marched to the gulag.

In Soviet Russia, holiday takes you!

the_pen_turner

the_pen_turner wrote: »

They want to split the cost 4 ways and make me pay for 2 people ($600 vs 300) while the couples pay $300 total for their rooms. If the couples just split it 7 ways they’d have to pay $77 more per couple.

Is anyone else finding the math in the OP impossible to work out? Why would the single person have to pay 600 for their room if the couples are paying "300 total" for theirs? Or is my math below totally off given I suck at math?

If we work it out from the "77" am I right in thinking the total cost of the room is therefore 2156?

Which means in a 7 way split the single would pay 308 euro and a couple 616? But in a 4 way split the single and the couples would each pay 539. (Hence the claim 616 is 77 bigger than 539).

So who is being asked to pay "600 vs 300" here? And how exactly are the couples in either scenario paying "$300 total for their rooms"? What am I missing?

irelandrover

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Is anyone else finding the math in the OP impossible to work out? Why would the single person have to pay 600 for their room if the couples are paying "300 total" for theirs? Or is my math below totally off given I suck at math?

If we work it out from the "77" am I right in thinking the total cost of the room is therefore 2156?

Which means in a 7 way split the single would pay 308 euro and a couple 616? But in a 4 way split the single and the couples would each pay 539. (Hence the claim 616 is 77 bigger than 539).

So who is being asked to pay "600 vs 300" here? And how exactly are the couples in either scenario paying "$300 total for their rooms"? What am I missing?

i think its 2400 total, so paying by room its 300 per person in a couple but 600 for the single.

split per person its 343 per person. so 86 euro extra for a couple. 686 vs 600.

if everyone was good friends then id split per person. if it was acquaintances then a split per room.

irelandrover

irelandrover wrote: »

i think its 2400 total, so paying by room its 300 per person in a couple but 600 for the single.

split per person its 343 per person. so 86 euro extra for a couple. 686 vs 600.

They very specifically said "77" though not "86". It seems a very specific number. Either way something in the figures in the OP is not right. Not all the numbers given can be right at the same time.

EDIT: Of course I am only pointing this out to mimic (and mock) the sheer pedantry of the people described in the OP

Padre_Pio

But what if only one half of the couple has a job? Aren't they paying the total while their partner is getting a free holiday.
Shock horror!

IMO you split it 7 ways. All seven are using the kitchen, bathroom, living room etc equally. Paying per bedroom is a weird way when you're renting an entire house.

Easily solved.

Pay full price for the room using a stolen credit card.

Kill the other guests.

Steal their valuables.

Drive to China.

garv123

If its a house on Air BnB its pay for the house not the rooms so split 7 ways.

If it was a hotel where you pay per room then split 4 ways.

We've done this a few times with Air BnB, 3 couples and 2 single people in 5 separate rooms. We've always split the cost 8 ways.

Yup seems right to me. If you are renting individual rooms you pay by the room - if you are renting a shared entire space like a house you pay by the head. I think I am with the two users on the first page who said they would bail and would not be going on holidays with people like that in the first place

And I say that as someone in a truple rather than a couple. So unlike the person in the OP the per-head calculation goes against me rather than for me as we end up paying more for our room in such a house than the couples / singles do.

Capt'n Midnight

Could you not sleep on the couch ?

Padre_Pio

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Could you not sleep on the couch ?

and pay nothing;)

phill106

pay 1/4 and invite 10 homeless people to stay .

biko

What the question OP?
If it's fair or not?

razorblunt

Split it per person, if the single person has a boxroom then they pay less. If one of the couples has en-suite they pay more.
If it looks like it's any form of hassle bail out now.

You can just imagine the first meal out.

"Ok, Siobhan and I both had steaks but we didn't have any starters or dessert. I only had one glass of wine and Siobhan didn't have any because of the little one on the way. How much was the bottle of wine? I'll just divide that by 4 to cover my glass."

Ficheall

It's a while since I studied this, and am not particularly inclined to do so at the moment, but the OP et al clearly have time for quibbling on their hands... There's a mathematical method of doing this - using Sperner's Lemma.

Immortal Starlight

Run like the wind Jose. What a pack of mean miserable people.

Previous poster is spot on.....if it's a hotel, then you pay for your room. If it's a house, then split it per person. That's the only way for it to happen. OP mentions the house, so we're obviously looking at the latter of these two options.

It's obviously 2400 for the house, and the couples want to split it 4 ways, with each couple splitting their 600 between them and the singleton covering for 2 people.

If someone called me up and said they noticed I'd be paying less than the couples and in order to counteract them paying an 'extra' 84 quid I had to fork out 300 of my own money, I'd 100% be pulling out of the holiday immediately. Then they'd have to pay €400 each and they can go and sh1te if they think I'd be paying for any of it.

Imagine having the gall to charge someone for the girlfriend they DON'T have.

85603

Normally it would be quite straightforward.

Total / number of people = cost per person. And thats how much each person pays.

But there may have to be an adjustment made if there are complicating factors based on what type of room youre getting. Single or double
If the price is offered on the basis of 4 couples then I dont know.

It can go from very straightforward to complicated depending on the details of the deal.

You could pay the full price and just demand double everything.
Double couch space, double songs on the stereo, two seats at the table, double the showers and toilet time, double the toilet paper. Double the balcony space, dont stand there its occupied by my expenses ghost.

Deleted User

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You can just imagine the first meal out.

"Ok, Siobhan and I both had steaks but we didn't have any starters or dessert. I only had one glass of wine and Siobhan didn't have any because of the little one on the way. How much was the bottle of wine? I'll just divide that by 4 to cover my glass."

Imagine staying in and cooking a meal for them after splitting four ways. Prepare one plate of food per couple.

JustAThought

Isn’t it a bit like the round of drinks with couples saga. Five people go out for a drink - two couples and a single. Do the couples buy double rounds because they take up twice the order each round. Or is the single person entitled to order double vodkas and cokes if each couple member is ordering a shot & spirit to ‘make up’ the difference. What of the couples order double vodka and cokes each. As often used happen in busy nightclubs. Sighs. Those were the days. Boozing indoors in busy bars with friends & enemies ...

Wabbit Ears

JustAThought wrote: »

Isn’t it a bit like the round of drinks with couples saga. Five people go out for a drink - two couples and a single. Do the couples buy double rounds because they take up twice the order each round. Or is the single person entitled to order double vodkas and cokes if each couple member is ordering a shot & spirit to ‘make up’ the difference. What of the couples order double vodka and cokes each. As often used happen in busy nightclubs. Sighs. Those were the days. Boozing indoors in busy bars with friends & enemies ...

You can bet this is exactly the situation the Redditor often finds themselves in...


Anyway, Yea, House rental each person pays for themselves so even split per person. Hotel room pay per room. Worst case scenario in a house rental would be to just suck it up and pay for the room.

To do it where 1 couple is 1 person and the singleton is 2 people... GTFO, That makes no sense and the Redditor would be better not travelling with idiots like that.

HildaOgdenx

It's a topic that comes up regularly on another forum I'm on.
That and splitting of bills in restaurants.

I remember a great post on here, where someone called colleagues out on having cocktails and expensive meals, then insisting on splitting the bill with junior colleagues who had opted for less expensive stuff, because that was all they could afford.

branie2

Not for me, I'd say

the_pen_turner

this is why i posted this. there is 2 very ditinctive side to this and they are both right. i have went over and back on which way is right.

iamstop

Rock, paper, scissors.

Ms. Newbie18

I can't imagine for one minute that would be a relaxing trip.

If you are renting a house/apartment it is split per head.

sdanseo

Would they prefer you shacked up with one of the couples? (Maybe you would, but probably best to keep that to yourself).

(thread had too little innuendo)


Jokes aside. I'm single and had a similar situation just prior to lockdown where I shared an AirBnb with a mate and his wife for a wedding in France. They had a bedroom and I had the sofabed. The 3 of us paid €100 each or thereabouts.

Being honest, but biased: if you're paying for hotel rooms, it's a totally different story, but assuming this is an AirBnb as per the OP then it should just be split 7 ways. Anything less is a tad pedantic.

That said however, it's not as simple as "they're not worth holidaying with if they insist" etc.. if you're old enough to have friends with wives, then you probably know that friends are worth keeping and disposing over them over a trivial matter with two different viewpoints is probably a short sighted error of judgement.

the_pen_turner wrote: »

this is why i posted this. there is 2 very ditinctive side to this and they are both right. i have went over and back on which way is right.

A compromise (like the sofabed) or maybe paying 1.5x the amount is probably the answer.

Strumms

You are renting a property, everyone has full use of the property, unless the person renting you the property asks for a single supplement, you don’t pay a single supplement... you pay for yourself, end of...

If it was broached by the others that I should pay extra to subsidize the cost of their trip, I wouldn’t argue, that friendship would just be history and the trip not happening.... the number of piss takers especially as relates to cash these days is unreal.

Divide the accommodation by 7.

Divide the food bills by 7.

Anything else is not worth the pain in the face.


It's a holiday, not a Countdown numbers round.

I've used an app on holiday called splitwise. You basically put any expensive into it and at the end it divides everything up. There was around 12 of us renting a villa so was handy for food shops etc

JustAThought

Strumms wrote: »

You are renting a property, everyone has full use of the property, unless the person renting you the property asks for a single supplement, you don’t pay a single supplement... you pay for yourself, end of...

If it was broached by the others that I should pay extra to subsidize the cost of their trip, I wouldn’t argue, that friendship would just be history and the trip not happening.... the number of piss takers especially as relates to cash these days is unreal.

Em - can I just say that typically the single person is usually allocated the smaller less attractive room that usually dosn’t have the luxury touches the maIn one has - no ensuite, no balcony, not the panaromic views/ balcony etc and usually much smaller, etc.

I’ve been in this boat once or twice with the same
couple of couples while renting a holiday cottage and while I put out the suggestion of paying less it was batted down. Fine - I enjoyed their company and enjoyed the holiday. But the third time I was invited along with 3 couples to sleep in a boxroom and subsidise their luxury trip I kindly declined. Why should I pay five or six hundred euro for boxroom accomodation for 3 nights plus the risk of a group deposit when I can stay in a private room ensuite in a hotel up the road with banquet breakfasts and a swimming pool thrown in for the same price. Let them each pay the few humdred extra for their luxury holiday room & meet up for the trips and meals out - everybody wins.

ec18

split by couple/room, sucks to be the single friend but it's fairly normal to split by room or by couple same with dinner etc