Remote working - the future?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118988777#Comment_118988777

Curious if that was prior to Covid and also how revenue have altered their practices as a result of Covid.

Most places were stuck in century old practices prior to Covid "just because it was always the way".

My guess is now they are a lot more flexible.

exitstageleft

Revenue still have their offices, right?

BhoyRayzor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118985885#Comment_118985885

Revenue have a new Code of Practice for Compliance Interventions from Monday. If there is no business premises I think it would be conducted either at the premises of their agent or in a Revenue office given the below.

'Any Level 2 intervention may be desk or field based. A desk intervention is conducted without a visit to the taxpayer’s place of business. A field intervention generally involves a visit to the taxpayer’s place of business but may also be conducted via videoconferencing.'

'A Risk Review or Audit may be desk/ correspondence based or field based. Note: All references to field-based interventions should be read as including interventions carried out using video conferencing tools such as Skype or Microsoft Teams.'

'Where a taxpayer has no trading premises and the books and records are retained at the taxpayer’s private residence, the audit may be carried out at that location with the consent of the taxpayer. Section 905(2) TCA 1997 refers. Where consent is not given, the audit will be carried out at a Revenue office. In any circumstance where it is not practical to carry out the audit at the place of business, the audit may be carried out at a Revenue office.'

storker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118990639#Comment_118990639

Well what do you know...another insurmountable WFH "problem" solved.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118990762#Comment_118990762

Not quite sure where you got the insurmountable "problem" language from.

I asked a simple question about how one aspect of regulatory compliance would be handled - one that had to be done in the main work location previously. Clearly that requirement has been changed for Level 2 interventions. I'd be interested to hear what is required for Level 3 interventions.

In general, when someone asks a question like this, they are not saying "obstacle" they are saying "thing to be considered". Immature business people often don't like these questions, experienced ones know that if they want to operate in a place, they have to follow the rules of the place (or they have to bribe their way out of doing so).

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118988961#Comment_118988961

I think they may sometimes come across businesses that don’t have offices:) Apparently it’s a thing nowadays!

Interested Observer

Currently in the interview process for a 100% remote position. I will not be going back to an office any time soon.

Nice move from Airbnb. Will include the Irish employees

From CNBC: Brian Chesky, Airbnb’s CEO and co-founder, revealed the move on Twitter Thursday, saying that staff compensation won’t change if they move. “You have the flexibility to live and work in 170 countries for up to 90 days a year in each location,” he said.

Young_gunner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118994349#Comment_118994349

Will keep fingers crossed for you 😀

C3PO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118985848#Comment_118985848

Yes - everyone works 2/3 or vice versa. Existing office has about 300 desks, new one less than 200 but higher spec with a lot more collaboration space. Will cost more than the existing!

Sunny Disposition

Interesting, best of luck with the new place!

The results of the latest Whitaker Institute survey (NUIG) on remote working is out, its findings will surprise few.

RTE news : 30% would take lower-paid job for remote work - survey

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0530/1301895-remote-working-survey/

The institute page below has the surveys from 2020,2021 and 2022. Interesting to see worker attitudes hardening over time in relation to remote/hybrid working

http://whitakerinstitute.ie/project/remote-working-during-covid-19-irelands-national-survey/

Mrs OBumble

So over 2 in 3 wouldn't. No surprises in a time of steeply increasing living costs.

Young_gunner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119134227#Comment_119134227

"Overall, the study found that 95% of people believe working remotely has made life easier."

That's the key takeaway I feel. Also, why would one take a pay cut to work remotely? if the output is the same, the pay should be the same.

In my own case, output is far greater under remote work, so I should get an increase!

niallers1

You should not need to take a pay cut to work remotely. You get paid to do a Job. For most office based/non customer facing jobs work is an output not a location.

Our company (large) has calculated (not sure how) that productivity is up ~15% since people started working remotely and now want a minimum 50% of its workforce to sign up for fully remote work.

Working in an office with lots of people has too many distractions.

Backstreet Moyes

I can clean the house, cook the dinner, iron clothes, take the clothes off the line if it's raining during lunch or when I have downtime.

I can spend more time with my kid in the morning, I can drop them to school and be home to start at 9 and I can pick them up and drop them to whoever is minding them.

If I wasn't working from home I would be rushing to pick them up and drop them off or someone like my mother would be rushing in from work to pick them up.

I have never had a stronger year than last year in work and I haven't set foot in an office.

I have never been more energetic without the worry of school runs and rushing around or cleaning and preparing dinner after work when I'm tired.

I hated working from home at first and now I would hate to go back once a week and the majority of who I talked to with kids are the same.

Any company not offering any flexibility will suffer massively.

They are showing employees they don't care about them.

CPTM

It will be a new currency. The same reasons are posted time and again. If it does become a major requirement to go to the office, I'll happily take a 10k cut in wages and join a company that allows remote working. Companies that require experienced workers in their 30s and 40s to work in the office will have to pay a hefty premium for them. On site staff in their 20s will be easy enough to find I think .

Sunny Disposition

What people are still missing is that people who own businesses don't actually want to own or rent offices. They would almost all prefer you to work from home, because it is far, far less expensive. If work can be done to a proper standard remotely, then it is in employer's interests to stop paying for property.

The worker v employer thing is totally overdone. The interests co-incide completely, in relatively few cases will there be rows over this. The number of people working in offices is going to keep declining.

If you've never owned or rented commercial properties think of it like this; would you like to give up paying your mortgage and keep the benefits of home ownership? This is the closest equivalent I can come up with, it's brilliant for anyone paying many thousands a year for offices.

https://www.businessinsider.com/airbnbs-careers-page-viewed-800k-times-work-from-anywhere-benefit-2022-5?r=US&IR=T

A deluge of jobseekers hit Airbnb's careers page after the company announced last Thursday that employees could live and work anywhere forever.

Airbnb CEO and founder Brian Chesky announced the benefit in an email to staff, saying the vast majority of them would be able to choose to work where they are the "most productive." According to the memo, there will not be a loss in compensation if staffers work in their home country.

Airbnb employees are also permitted to work for up to 90 days a year overseas, although they will still need a permanent address for tax and payroll purposes, Chesky said in the email. Airbnb is hoping to "open-source" a solution to complications surrounding taxes, payroll, and time zone availability, he added.

"The response internally was great, but even more impressive [was] the response externally because our career page was visited 800,000 times after that announcement," said Chesky in a Tuesday earnings call for Airbnb's first-quarter results, according to a transcript.

CPTM

How do Air BnB get away with staff working anywhere in the world but everyone else is subject to tax laws? Or subject to questions around tax laws?

GoldFour4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119136631#Comment_119136631

It’s for 90 days a year rather the full year round . I’m not a tax expert but I’m sure that rule limits their exposure.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119136631#Comment_119136631

I doubt they are trying to get away with anything.

I'd say Air BnB have a presence already in many of the countries desire to move to and as a result are already compliant re tax etc.

Plus the article says that anyone who wants to move "in country" keeps their current salary.

But I'd imagine they'd drive a hard bargain for anyone wanting to move to a lower cost country, thus making that move far less desirable.

calistro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118994349#Comment_118994349

Really hope you are successful with the interview!! It's my dream to work 100% remote. Got very close to it yesterday when there was a loose verbal agreement that I could go fully remote in Ireland or abroad by changing to freelance, went home and started planning things out only to come in this morning to the offer being rescinded as the Irish office had not fully cleared it with the head office before informing me and it's a big no no for them.

Gutted to say the least, especially at the unprofessionalism shown. Letter of resignations just drawn up as really went through the mill over the last 24hrs.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119140464#Comment_119140464

No idea what field you are in, but hop on Indeed etc and take a look. Filter by remote, you may find something that suits

Young_gunner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119140464#Comment_119140464

perhaps they'll informally let you have fully remote? and that will tide you over til it's the norm anyways (in about a year)

Wompa1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119136631#Comment_119136631

One of my previous remote jobs while in Ireland was for a US company who didn't have or want an entity in Ireland. They ended up employing me through a 3rd party company who specialises in global HR. It worked out great, I dealt with an accountant based in Dublin and a European HR person but it was a little expensive for the company upfront. They paid $30k up front and then a monthly fee. The monthly was actually cheaper for them than it would have been to have me as an FTE on benefits and cheaper than what they would have paid even if I was to contract through one of their existing partners. I believe when I left they got most of the 30k back. The 30k was mostly to cover the global company in the event I had a dispute with the company I was doing the work for. That way, they would have a buffer of money to ensure I got paid while settling the dispute or going through the process of winding me down.

I have worked remotely for most of the last 10 years at least art of the time and several years fully remote. When I was renting a place to live and had to work 100% remote, I opted to use a co-working space 3 days a week. Now I own a home and have a proper office setup. I have nod desire to return to the office.

A nice move by the govt

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/b3c2f-our-rural-future-minister-humphreys-announces-series-of-new-initiatives-to-support-remote-working/

Young_gunner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119173427#Comment_119173427

Agreed, this can only be a good thing and is just the start of things to come.

Sunny Disposition

Anyone know of any hub operating as a private business, in conjunction with something else like a cafe or a place for evening classes? They seem to be run by the public sector generally, but surely there is a role for having them as adjuncts to businesses.

And it begins....

Twitter announced they are closing/reducing office space at locations all over the world as they look to reduce costs and remote working makes this feasible.

Dublin is included in this

https://www.independent.ie/business/world/twitter-cuts-back-on-office-space-in-drive-to-cut-costs-41872656.html