Query re primary curriculum

punisher5112

am_zarathustra wrote: »

I was in a school they did that. I can't knit and I kicked up such a fuss I was allowed out to play soccer, I was much better than all the lads too. Better at maths than them too. I liked Lego and my dad raised me while my mam went to work. The only noticable effect this had on any of my siblings is we all have very equal relationships with regards childcare and caring. Oh and my Dad was shocking at hair so I had one sketchy pigtail hairstyle for about a decade......scarred

Challenging gender roles is a no brainer. It disenfranchises women, damages men so they can't articulate when they feel vunerable, creates unhealthy relationship dynamics etc. It's a good thing

I have no hair and sure as hell can't do the daughters but I did try....

Sure hell I will never live it down that I dressed her in PJ's and brought her to crèche.....

Cyrus

Challenging traditional gender roles is fine. Introducing infants to the concept of transgenderism is something else entirely.

Smee_Again

Cyrus wrote: »

Challenging traditional gender roles is fine. Introducing infants to the concept of transgenderism is something else entirely.

Why? Some kids might have transgender parents and these resources will help other classmates understand what that means. Surely that’s a good thing.

killbillvol2

Cyrus wrote: »

Challenging traditional gender roles is fine. Introducing infants to the concept of transgenderism is something else entirely.

I've read the guidelines and I can't find the bit about introducing infants to transgenderism. Could you point it out to me?

And while you're at it could you explain the best method of introducing 4 year olds to the concept? Thanks.

RealJohn

Cyrus wrote: »

Challenging traditional gender roles is fine. Introducing infants to the concept of transgenderism is something else entirely.

Exactly, but you’ll note the hostility to bringing that up. They don’t want to hear any dissent. Some of the stuff in the primary school RSE plan is at least worth reporting on, but that doesn’t happen in mainstream media.

RealJohn

LittleBrick wrote: »

1. That's the parents responsibility. Not the teachers' or medias'.

Wrong. Objectively wrong, in fact. That is exactly the role of the media: to inform the public of things that might/should concern them. The fact that nobody has called you on that shows exactly where people’s priorities on this topic lie. What do you think the media’s responsibility is? The Kardashians?

I agree that it’s not necessarily the teachers’ responsibility, and I agree that parents should, in an ideal world, know what their children are being taught, but that simply isn’t the case. That’s actually why we have teachers: because parents can’t be expected to know everything their kids are taught in schools. If they did, they wouldn’t need teachers, other than as babysitters.

Smee_Again

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I've read the guidelines and I can't find the bit about introducing infants to transgenderism. Could you point it out to me?

And while you're at it could you explain the best method of introducing 4 year olds to the concept? Thanks.

Seems to be less about transgenderism and more about gender stereotypes.

My princess boy is the picture book suggested for Junior and Senior Infants.

I don’t know the book but it seems to be about a boy who likes wear tiaras and girly dresses.

Students are then asked questions about what makes the boy special and what makes the student special.

killbillvol2

Smee_Again wrote: »

Seems to be less about transgenderism and more about gender stereotypes.

My princess boy is the picture book suggested for Junior and Senior Infants.

I don’t know the book but it seems to be about a boy who likes wear tiaras and girly dresses.

Students are then asked questions about what makes the boy special and what makes the student special.

Whoosh

Cyrus

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I've read the guidelines and I can't find the bit about introducing infants to transgenderism. Could you point it out to me?

And while you're at it could you explain the best method of introducing 4 year olds to the concept? Thanks.

A 4 year old is an infant and I wouldn't introduce them to the concept.

am_zarathustra

Cyrus wrote: »

A 4 year old is an infant and I wouldn't introduce them to the concept.

Are you a primary teacher, child psychologist or education specialist? Like the people who wrote these plans in line with our understanding of developmental stages.

It's interesting when this topic comes up in schools it's often the teachers who have a hard time with it not the students, nice to see our open and inclusive education system beginning to pay off and producing more empathetic people.

killbillvol2

Cyrus wrote: »

A 4 year old is an infant and I wouldn't introduce them to the concept.

Where does it say they should be introduced to the concept?

Cyrus

killbillvol2 wrote: »

Where does it say they should be introduced to the concept?

You asked how I would be introduce them to it. I said I wouldn't.

Blush_01

RealJohn wrote: »

gript have a clear agenda and we all know it, but this isn’t negative in and of itself. This sort of issue is being swept under the carpet and introduced to schools by stealth because the mainstream media refuses to cover it.

Rather than looking down your nose at the likes of gript, you should be asking why nobody else is reporting it. Parents don’t tend to know what’s being taught. Many of them would not be comfortable with this, but only the likes of gript are informing them. It’s all well and good to say that it’s freely available online (and it is) but how many parents read through the syllabus for what their children are being taught? Not many, would be my guess.

Still waiting for Gript to be aghast at the CPMSA recommendations that children be told that puberty is a gift from God, and that they're perfectly created to procreate with him. Some of the most disturbing and tone-deaf phrasing I've ever read.

People being trans won't knock a beat out of a child, nor will it persuade them that that's their reality, funnily enough it's the prejudiced adults who can't cope with it. How interesting.

amacca

Blush_01 wrote: »

People being trans won't knock a beat out of a child, nor will it persuade them that that's their reality, funnily enough it's the prejudiced adults who can't cope with it.

Depends on the group of adults they grow up in and around in their community........it could take quite a bit of time to start changing some attitudes imo.

They definitely have strong opinions on both sides by the time they get to secondary (boys at least although how much of that is because of what the group think and pressure the group of lads they hang around with puts on them would have to be factored in) .....interestingly to me girls seem to have much less strong opinions at that age

drunkmonkey

Blush_01 wrote: »

People being trans won't knock a beat out of a child, nor will it persuade them that that's their reality, funnily enough it's the prejudiced adults who can't cope with it. How interesting.

We're all prejudice, you say adults can't cope with it, we don't want to cope with it, we want the best possible future for our children, translife is a difficult and dangerous road, if there's even a remote chance early introduction can influence or confuse them Teachers should keep well out of it.
Teach them tolerance of all people, you don't need to single out any particular group to achieve that.

Cyrus

Blush_01 wrote: »

People being trans won't knock a beat out of a child, nor will it persuade them that that's their reality, funnily enough it's the prejudiced adults who can't cope with it. How interesting.

You say that but this would suggest otherwise no?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heart.co.uk/lifestyle/britains-first-transgender-family/

Blush_01

Cyrus wrote: »

You say that but this would suggest otherwise no?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heart.co.uk/lifestyle/britains-first-transgender-family/

I see your agenda. If you want to look at the curriculum it's available online for anyone to see. Come back to me when you have actual evidence about what children are being taught.

Considering there's a trio of you actively campaigning against trans awareness on this thread, I'm going to assume it's orchestrated and leave you to your bigotry.

Cyrus

Blush_01 wrote: »

I see your agenda. If you want to look at the curriculum it's available online for anyone to see. Come back to me when you have actual evidence about what children are being taught.

Considering there's a trio of you actively campaigning against trans awareness on this thread, I'm going to assume it's orchestrated and leave you to your bigotry.

Not at all I just don't want my 4 or 5 year old taught about it. If you are telling me that won't be happening then happy days.

Calling me a bigot because I disagree with you isn't on. Kids are more impressionable than you think and that family in England is a cautionary tale don't you think?

drunkmonkey

Well Cyrus if you won't date a trans woman your a Bigot, you may just own up to it.

gameoverdude

drunkmonkey wrote:

Well Cyrus if you won't date a trans woman your a Bigot, you may just own up to it.

Ridiculous

drunkmonkey

gameoverdude wrote: »

Ridiculous

I know, crazy world.

gameoverdude

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I know, crazy world.

Please explain why you quoted my post. Is this an attempt to ridicule honest discussion?

spurious

Thread closed.
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