Vaccine Megathread No 2 - Read OP before posting

Charles Babbage

It seems that the vaccine being used here is Pfizer Omicron variant XBB.1.5

iamwhoiam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121151923#Comment_121151923

They are doing over 65’s first I just got an appointment with GP for flu and covid on same day

CharlieDickens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121149984#Comment_121149984

There will be very little demand since they don't do much - especially against mild omicron.

CharlieDickens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121185244#Comment_121185244

hahaha! what a joke.

Hotblack Desiato

We really are lucky on Boards, not only do we have posters with world-leading expertise in virology, epidemiology and immunology, they now know better than the Nobel prize committee also.

fun loving criminal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277236#Comment_121277236

What exactly do you mean by your statement? They don't do much?

They were never designed to stop transmission. You avoid ending up in hospital.

CharlieDickens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277936#Comment_121277936

😁

Sure ...

My point was the risk/benefit analysis has completely changed now with omicron.

I'll take the option of no heart issues (as i got with my 1st shots) thanks and take my chances with a cold/sniffle.

The numbers back this up too.

CharlieDickens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277421#Comment_121277421

Except when that committee was awarding the inventor of Ivermectin the prize right ?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278432#Comment_121278432

Covid carries a far higher chance of heart issues (e.g. Myocarditis) than the vaccines.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277236#Comment_121277236

The vaccines significantly reduce hospitalizations and deaths (age and underlying issues an increasing factor)

e.g. sample of UK figures below

CharlieDickens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278546#Comment_121278546

Nice cherry picked data ... "deaths invoving covid 19" ... very broad definition there,

Let's see how many people % wise get a booster this winter, my guess is f-all among healthy younger people.

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278440#Comment_121278440

Uhm ivermectin works brilliantly for what it was designed for. It's not the inventor's fault that idiots tried using to it to treat a completely unrelated disease because the working medicines for that disease didn't tally with their political beliefs.

CharlieDickens

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278679#Comment_121278679

It did actually help a lot of people.

Funny how the chief medical officer in Japan recommended it for the frontline v Covid..

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278660#Comment_121278660

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-poses-higher-risk-for-myocarditis-than-vaccines#:~:text=COVID%2D19%20infection%20poses%20higher%20risk%20for%20myocarditis%20than%20vaccines,-By%20American%20Heart&text=The%20overall%20risk%20of%20myocarditis,new%20study%20in%20England%20shows.

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/myocarditis-seven-times-more-likely-covid-19-vaccines/

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odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278694#Comment_121278694

Nope. Never happened. You've been duped by disinformation.

That was a lie spread by anti-vaxxers.

The CMO of Japan recommended no such thing. Will this make you think twice about some of the information you have come across about vaccines and ivermectin and the integrity of the sources???

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-japan-ivermectinandmandate-idUSL1N2TX1GK

The only people it helped were those who had covid AND parasites, cos Ivermectin cleared them of the second problem. Ivermectin is a very effective medicine, for what it was originally intended to do. Against covid, it failed every proper trial.

If you are concerned about covid, vaccination protects you against it while Ivermectin does nothing - anybody who argues otherwise does not do so from a position of scientific evidence or facts.

Spudman_20000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278508#Comment_121278508

Not for younger men in particular it doesn't.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-amends-us-government-paxlovid-supply-agreement-and

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121279041#Comment_121279041

That's vs the norm. Indeed, some studies found that men in a certain age group were more likely to experience myocarditis after vaccination vs the norm. Keywords "vs the norm". The risk of myocarditis from Covid in males that age group is higher again.

TLDR: You are more likely (studies have shown up to 11 times more likely) to get myocarditis from Covid than from vaccines (including young males).

Put to it all in context, from the BHF

Does the Covid-19 vaccine cause myocarditis (heart inflammation)?

There have been rare cases of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) following the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccine in the UK, and it has been listed as a very rare side effect. 

Myocarditis has also been listed as a rare possible side effect of the Novavax vaccine, after a very small number of cases were reported during clinical trials.

For every million doses given of the monovalent Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, there have been 10 reports of myocarditis and 6 reports of pericarditis, according to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (as of 23 November 2022). There have been 14 reports of myocarditis and 8 reports of pericarditis for every million doses given of the monovalent Moderna vaccine over the same period.

While reports of myocarditis following any Covid-19 vaccine are rare, cases are more common in young males aged 18 to 29 years following the second dose. Most people who have been affected have experienced a mild illness and recovered without medical treatment. 

Myocarditis can cause heart scarring that can be detected with cardiac MRI – there is a small chance of scarring causing a life-threatening arrhythmia in the future, and therefore people who are affected are likely to be offered long-term follow-up and monitoring.

Research has found that Covid-19 itself is much more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine is, and people who are vaccinated have a much lower risk of getting other serious complications caused by Covid-19.  

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278440#Comment_121278440

It's a very useful drug - just not for Covid.

fun loving criminal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278432#Comment_121278432

Covid isn't a cold.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121279176#Comment_121279176

Unfortunately doe to 3 years of exposure, there remain many who are immune to facts

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121278662#Comment_121278662

In U.S. it is going slow. Only about 3% have gotten the new booster.

Spiderman0081

If only the remaining percentage would read all the positive articles posted about the vaccines here on Boards!

They have me convinced.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288550#Comment_121288550

Looks like Americans have lost trust in CDC. Even those who had 4 shots and Covid 3 times realise that there is virtually no immunity gains to be had from the next jab.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288772#Comment_121288772

What data do you have on the benefits of the current modified jabs? Or are you just expressing an opinion without foundation?

Spiderman0081

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121277936#Comment_121277936

You are 100% correct that they were never designed to stop transmission.

Which makes one wonder why so many who took the vaccine believed the exact opposite?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289147#Comment_121289147

Tis confusion over semantic.

They werent 'designed' to stop transmission.

But they do and did.

If you arent infected you cant transmit and multiple studies cited on the thread show that vaccination reduced your chances of infection - more so pre Omicron.

There are also studies showing if infected and vaccinated, a lower viral load / one cleared faster - thereby reducing your chances of transmitting.

Cluedo Monopoly

A relative in her late 60s asked me recently about this topic. She was fully vaccinated and got Covid in August. She said it hit her very bad, much worse than the first time she got it over a year previously. I said she would have been "sicker" if unvaccinated and that her chance of actually picking covid up would have been less.

She asked me how much the vaccines reduce symptoms when you have it and how much less chance she had of contracting it. I hadn't a clue. Her point was that vaccination did not prevent her getting Covid and getting it bad so she wondered whether the boosters are worth it now. She also feels ill after boosters. Are there stats on the reduced symptoms and contracting probability?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289224#Comment_121289224

There's two layers to the immune system, your 'border' \ rapid reaction antibodies that prevent you from getting infected in the first place. Vaccination or infection triggers these but they fade in months.

The second layer to your immune system is deeper, think of them as 'memory' of how to trigger the B and T cells to kick in and prevent infection from spreading within you. It is like your heavy duty 'reserve'. Can take a few days to kick in. Vaccination \ infection also triggers these. That wanes but more gradually, and is more durable, especially against severe infection.

Is this the sort of study you're looking for re: boosters:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(23)00246-8/fulltext

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289309#Comment_121289309

That's perfect. Vaccine effectiveness is the phrase I was looking for. Wanes but still worth it seems to be the summary.

Spiderman0081

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121289176#Comment_121289176

You are correct.

Which explains why the vast majority of people keep queuing up for a booster.