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Leinster V Ulster: Friday 14th May Care Bear Cup

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    #212
    Buer
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    Ryan was excellent last night and really looked like he had a point to prove but I thought Henderson had an even better game by the final whistle.

    Ryan's performance was very much a nuts and bolts one with a massive work rate but Henderson had more telling impacts throughout the game in general play, I thought. After the break, Ryan was far quieter than he was in the opening half. I think he has scope to improve significantly in his attacking game. Defensively, he's superb and that potentially the reason for his first half prominence.

    Henderson showed brilliant footwork time and time again to get over the gain line and suck in more than one defender as well as being very strong defensively.


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    #213
    hahashake
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    Henshaw was very lucky whatever you think it should have been.


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    #214
    Clegg
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    Buer wrote: »
    Ryan was excellent last night and really looked like he had a point to prove but I thought Henderson had an even better game by the final whistle.

    Ryan's performance was very much a nuts and bolts one with a massive work rate but Henderson had more telling impacts throughout the game in general play, I thought. After the break, Ryan was far quieter than he was in the opening half. I think he has scope to improve significantly in his attacking game. Defensively, he's superb and that potentially the reason for his first half prominence.

    Henderson showed brilliant footwork time and time again to get over the gain line and suck in more than one defender as well as being very strong defensively.

    Looking back on the game I think you can see why Henderson and Ryan could form an excellent partnership. Both are high work rate players with Henderson carrying better and Ryan having the superior lineout game. I've re-watched the match and I can't understand how Ryan didn't get motm. His tackling was superb, but he also stole two Ulster lineouts 5m from his own line. The steals were early in the game and completed disrupted Ulster's lineout for the rest.

    There has been a huge improvement in Ryan's work at the lineout. It's gotten to the stage where he's now one of the best poachers of lineout ball in the world.


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    #215
    prawnsambo
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Henshaw was very lucky whatever you think it should have been.
    Yeah. I'd agree with Stringer and Bowe that it was an out of control tackle. Very very lucky not to see a card.


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    #216
    Clegg
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    It was very encouraging to see Doris grow into the game after an understandably show start. Felt like he was hitting top gear in the second half when the players around him we're starting to tire. He did that a lot last season as well. He must be incredibly for even for a professional rugby player.

    Tommy O'Brien looks like he could be a very good player also. Has the pace to make outside break and keeps the ball in both hands to make defenders wary of committing too soon. Lovely take from his own garryowen as well.


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    #217
    Former Former Former
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    hahashake wrote: »
    Henshaw was very lucky whatever you think it should have been.

    The contact itself was perfect but going in that high there's a huge risk of head on head contact. Could have got carded and knocked himself out in one go.


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    #218
    Shelflife
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    Hes going to get one of those wrong someday and he could end up doing a lot of damage to himself or his opponent as well as a RC.

    Terrible tackle technique


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    #219
    irishbucsfan
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    It was not worth the hit. He nearly put himself out of the game and if he'd gone high he could have done serious damage and ended up with a ban


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    #220
    Jerry Attrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 243 ✭✭Jerry Attrick


    hahashake wrote: »
    Henshaw was very lucky whatever you think it should have been.

    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Yeah. I'd agree with Stringer and Bowe that it was an out of control tackle. Very very lucky not to see a card.

    Luck didn't come into it. What rugby law did he break?

    Yellow and red cards aren't - or shouldn't be - awarded merely because a player has almost done something wrong.


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    #221
    OldRio
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    Nobody is saying it was an offence. But he was putting himself into a position to easily commit an offence.

    A split second early or later. The opponent moving at the last second. His technique or lack off. His and the opponents safety. The referee and his interpretation of the laws. The TMO.

    IMHO it was a good hard hit but he was very lucky because any of the above could and would have had serious consequences.


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    #222
    Akrasia
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    Jerry Attrick wrote: »
    Luck didn't come into it. What rugby law did he break?

    Yellow and red cards aren't - or shouldn't be - awarded merely because a player has almost done something wrong.
    It was a dangerous high tackle even if no direct contact was made to the head, it ended up with a HIA and could very easily have seriously injured one or both players

    https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/law/9

    “A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously. Dangerous tackling includes, but is not limited to, tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders.”


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    #223
    Former Former Former
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    OldRio wrote: »
    Nobody is saying it was an offence. But he was putting himself into a position to easily commit an offence.

    A split second early or later. The opponent moving at the last second. His technique or lack off. His and the opponents safety. The referee and his interpretation of the laws. The TMO.

    IMHO it was a good hard hit but he was very lucky because any of the above could and would have had serious consequences.

    Exactly this.

    All it takes is for the ball carrier to dip by an inch and suddenly they're both knocked out and Henshaw has three weeks to practice his Afrikaans phrasebook.

    But as it played out, it was a brilliant tackle.


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    #224
    Akrasia
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    Former Former Former wrote: »
    Exactly this.

    All it takes is for the ball carrier to dip by an inch and suddenly they're both knocked out and Henshaw has three weeks to practice his Afrikaans phrasebook.

    But as it played out, it was a brilliant tackle.

    It was not a brilliant tackle, any rugby coach who told a player to tackle another player like that should be removed from the game.

    it was a dangerous tackle and the fact that it wasn’t even a penalty is a disgrace. Players like Steve Thompson are getting early onset dementia because of tackles like these. They need to be removed from the game and punished with minimum of a yellow card when they happen


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    #225
    Former Former Former
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    It was not a brilliant tackle, any rugby coach who told a player to tackle another player like that should be removed from the game.

    it was a dangerous tackle and the fact that it wasn’t even a penalty is a disgrace. Players like Steve Thompson are getting early onset dementia because of tackles like these. They need to be removed from the game and punished with minimum of a yellow card when they happen

    You are correct that tackles like this could contribute to long term issues.

    However, since it was a perfectly legal tackle, your beef is with the people who make the rules, not with Henshaw or the ref.


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    #226
    molloyjh
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    Former Former Former wrote: »
    You are correct that tackles like this could contribute to long term issues.

    However, since it was a perfectly legal tackle, your beef is with the people who make the rules, not with Henshaw or the ref.

    Exactly. Henshaw tackled below the shoulders and made no contact with Balacounes neck or head. By the laws it was a perfectly valid tackle. A conversation about tackle height being lowered is completely valid. Henshaw was lucky that didn't end up a very bad tackle. Head in head contact was a real possibility. But because of how the laws are written the tackle was completely fine. So a conversation on Henshaw being penalised is in no way valid.


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